Our Mayor Dresses Up A Pig And Calls It A Beautiful Woman

Anbarandy

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Outsourcing: Despite complaints, Ford praises garbage collection

KELLY GRANT CITY HALL BUREAU CHIEF — The Globe and Mail

Last updated Monday, Aug. 13 2012, 9:06 PM


Mayor Rob Ford is pleased with the performance of Toronto’s new private garbage collector, despite more than 1,000 complaints about missed or late trash pickups during the company’s first week on the job.

Mr. Ford praised Green For Life Environmental Corp.’s work as “great” and “fantastic” on Monday as he left a news conference to mark the opening of Ryerson University’s new athletic centre. inside the old Maple Leaf Gardens.

The mayor ignored a followup question and his office declined to elaborate on the mayor’s comments.

If Toronto’s mayor does believe GFL’s debut week was “fantastic,” he’s out of step with his own point man on garbage. , who has expressed disappointment with GFL’s slow start.

On Friday, Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong, chair of the public works committee, said that if GFL doesn’t get its crews up to speed by the end of the month, the slow start could make it difficult to contract out more of the city’s curbside collection.

GFL started collecting garbage, recycling and organics from 165,000 homes between Yonge Street and the Humber River last Tuesday.

The company’s contract with the city requires it to finish pickup by 6 p.m., but last week GFL’s lime-green trucks were still rolling through city streets after 9:30 p.m., according to the city’s solid waste department.

Contracting out trash pickup in another part of Toronto – GFL already handles curbside collection in Etobicoke – was a major victory for Mr. Ford, who in 2010 campaigned on outsourcing garbage.

He promised at the time to privatize trash collection citywide, but has since said he won’t push for privatization east of Yonge Street unless he wins a second term in 2014.

Nearly all of the garbage that had been left on curbsides as of the end of day Friday was picked up over the weekend, said Jim Harnum, general manager of the city’s solid waste department.

“We think we got the majority of the garbage off,” he said Monday. “We still [had] a few outstanding calls, probably 15 or 20 calls today. To our knowledge, that’s been picked up.”

When pickup resumes Tuesday – there’s no residential collection on Mondays – Mr. Harnum said he’s expecting GFL’s performance to improve, as it started to toward the end of last week. He said the company is tweaking routes and increasing the number of trucks it runs at the beginning of the day to 95 from its original plan of 80.

When the city ran the service with in-house employees, it used 107 trucks, Mr. Harnum said.



What world does our mayor occupy? Certainly not the one we live in.

If he believes the debacle that was the debut of G-arbage F-or L-ife's private sector 'rubbish' pickup was 'great' and 'fantastic' then his standards are shockingly well below what the City of Toronto expects.

Follow up questions regarding the mess made by privatized solid waste collection were met with silence both by the mayor and hiss administration. Shocker!

Please note my privatrization gurus, that GFL has NOW upped their manpower and their equipment, just as I stated they would have to. This now brings them to the lower end of possbily fulfilling the requirements of their contract, however at a cost to them. Basically, their profit margin will be wiped out. They will not make a penny on their contract this year, or for the next 6 years thereafter.

It's not 'rocket science' guys. There was a very practical reason why the next lowest bid was $2.5million higher than GFL's bid while the next highest average bids were about $4million more than GFL's bid and it has to do with fulfilling the terms of the contract while earning a profit.

The trucks of the other bidders are basically the same. The crewmen of the other bidders are basically the same. It is the ownership and management that are different and those failed bidders were honest enough to realize the costs of the bid. GFL was not.

Have you guys seen the poor GFL crewmen? Running from truck to garbage bins, one after the other, from home to home, from street to street, continuously all day and night long. Undermanned and underequippped deliberately. You must feel empathy with these poor souls, for they are just trying to do their job and earn a living while working for a company and management that could care less about them. But isn't that most often the case between ownership, management and that factor or unit of production called 'labor'.
 

blackrock13

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You really are becoming tiresome.

Your thread titles are about as indicative of what you post as CM's.

You haven't got any legitimate idea about the reality of the GFL file, but no matter how many times you're shown with pie on your fac you keep wallowing and making no progress at convincing anyone of the validity of your slew of gripes
 

Anbarandy

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You really are becoming tiresome.

Your thread titles are about as indicative of what you post as CM's.

You haven't got any legitimate idea about the reality of the GFL file, but no matter how many times you're shown with pie on your fac you keep wallowing and making no progress at convincing anyone of the validity of your slew of gripes
Do you have anything of value to add to the great 'garbage debacle' debate?

Was it as 'great' and 'fantastic' for you as it was for our mayor?
 

james t kirk

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You've pretty much beat this topic to death haven't you.

The fact of the matter is that the current garbage collection contract is here for 7 years I believe. Even if Olivia Chow gets elected in 2 years, she will not be able to undo the contract without a substantial lawsuit on her hands and therefore, I doubt it will revert back to the greedy union any time soon.

Get your head around it, you'll sleep better.

At most, you might be able to head off the east end being contracted out, but if the savings are demonstrated and service is the same (which I suspect it will be) you don't have a prayer there either.
 

Anbarandy

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You've pretty much beat this topic to death haven't you.

The fact of the matter is that the current garbage collection contract is here for 7 years I believe. Even if Olivia Chow gets elected in 2 years, she will not be able to undo the contract without a substantial lawsuit on her hands and therefore, I doubt it will revert back to the greedy union any time soon.

Get your head around it, you'll sleep better.

At most, you might be able to head off the east end being contracted out, but if the savings are demonstrated and service is the same (which I suspect it will be) you don't have a prayer there either.
There is a lot more to come, because quite frankly the G-arbage F-or L-ife/City of Toronto's District 2 Solid Waste Collection contract stinks more so than the stench of the rotting garbage.

Maybe Olivia Chow upon election to the mayor's chair in 2014 will attempt to unilaterally cancel the contract as Mayor Ford attempted to do with Transit City. You know, contract in hand make a mad, mad hatter's dash to the Office of Contracts Cancellation just as Robbie sprinted, with his 'subways, subways, subways' gravy stained napkin plan in one fist and a Deco Labels 'Premier' ''Contract Cancelled" Stamper in the other, to the Premier's office literally the second he came into office.

I sleep quite well at night knowing that saner heads will prevail in the mayor's chair and in council in 2014. You know, those sane, intelligent and thoughtful folks that have the knowledge and understanding that the best cost/service delivery provider model for SW collection is a combination of both public and private providers.

The line my friend stops at Yonge St. Saner heads already know that.
 
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blackrock13

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Do you have anything of value to add to the great 'garbage debacle' debate?

Was it as 'great' and 'fantastic' for you as it was for our mayor?
Do I?

You haven't added a thing since your first thread and this is your fourth thread on the same topic and quite possibly your 100th on Ford. Obsessive just doesn't cover it. It's the same thing over and over and oner. Even then, it was shown by many members to be baseless, vacuous and down right wrong.
 

oldjones

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Facts are that GFL has screwed up, and failed to meet their contract service levels. Neither they nor the City is talking about any agreed break-in period and acceptable target-slippage during it, so one can only assume everyone is entitled to their own version of how seriously to take the 1000 complaints vs. the City's typical 50 for a similar period But under the contract, it would seem even a handful could be penalized. A classic carrot and stick scenario.

How nice for the entrepreneurs of GFL that the City—and its citizens—are so patient and understanding in their quest to save a mere $5 per household every year after so much sound and fury. Puts the rabid union-hatred we heard so much of into perspective doesn't it? Let's just suck it up, and give these guys a chance to earn their profits from us, and be as patient when their workers unionize.
We have a lesson to learn: The only easy part of trash is opening your hand to drop it. Everything else about it is complicated and difficult; mostly because everyone thinks they know all about it.

If the guys in the biz are need a month or two of mistakes to learn the gig then, 'Rule One: Nobody knows anything'†.

†William Goldman, Adventures in the Screen Trade, more or less.
 

great bear

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Two months from now no one will be talking about garbage pick up. However two months from now everyone will still remember the time CUPE went on strike and left Toronto with rotting garbage for weeks.
 

FAST

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Reputations are earned

Puts the rabid union-hatred we heard so much of into perspective doesn't it?
And, just why do you think there is so much union hatred?

and be as patient when their workers unionize.
IF,... that happens,...it still won't be a civil servant union, BIG difference.
Except of coarse, the union at the WORLDS most expensive auto plants.

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oldjones

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And, just why do you think there is so much union hatred?
Ask a hater that one. I just wanted to point out that if the same guy screaming about stinking uncollected garbage during the strike is now saying we should be reasonable about uncollected garbage while the entrepreneurs figure out how to do what they promised, then it never had anything to do with garbage. Apart from the stuff between the ears, of course. Hatred and crap thinking are equally disastrous bases for policy.
IF,... that happens,...it still won't be a civil servant union, BIG difference.
Except of coarse, the union at the WORLDS most expensive auto plants.
You'll have to 'splain that one. How will a non-civil service union 'holding the public to ransom' by not hauling their trash be any different than a civil service union 'holding the public … etc; etc.?

The final verbless sentence fragment—"Except of coarse[sic], the union at the WORLDS most expensive auto plants"—has no meaning I can detect, let alone ask a question about to help me understand how carmakers suddenly got into a garbage service topic. It wasn't the auto union's job to see that the plants ran cheap. That'd be the bonus-earning qualification that put the expensive company execs across the table from them. The execs who said, "we can live with that" and signed. Did they not earn their pay and bonuses honestly then?

PS: We all realize this entire exercise will be saving each household west of Yonge, just $5-6 each month, don't we? Not that they'll ever see that dough, as Rob's already promised a tax hike for next year. But if he and Council had worked to save $11,000,000 by cutting down the tonnage hauled we coulda at least felt we'd accomplished something useful.

Much easier to hate.
 

Butler1000

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I'm going to let up on the OP on this one. As with anyone its obviously an emotional issue when a persons feels their job is threatened. I may well react in the same way.
I did have a thought though. The only employees who were actually let go were the partItime workers if I'm not mistaken. I wonder how many of those picked up Fulltime employment with GFL? Could this be a scenario of a net gain in jobs?

Anyone know anyone who went to work for them?
 

blackrock13

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I'm going to let up on the OP on this one. As with anyone its obviously an emotional issue when a persons feels their job is threatened. I may well react in the same way.
I did have a thought though. The only employees who were actually let go were the partItime workers if I'm not mistaken. I wonder how many of those picked up Fulltime employment with GFL? Could this be a scenario of a net gain in jobs?

Anyone know anyone who went to work for them?
Anyone missing from TERB?
 

james t kirk

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Facts are that GFL has screwed up, and failed to meet their contract service levels. Neither they nor the City is talking about any agreed break-in period and acceptable target-slippage during it, so one can only assume everyone is entitled to their own version of how seriously to take the 1000 complaints vs. the City's typical 50 for a similar period But under the contract, it would seem even a handful could be penalized. A classic carrot and stick scenario.

How nice for the entrepreneurs of GFL that the City—and its citizens—are so patient and understanding in their quest to save a mere $5 per household every year after so much sound and fury. Puts the rabid union-hatred we heard so much of into perspective doesn't it? Let's just suck it up, and give these guys a chance to earn their profits from us, and be as patient when their workers unionize.
We have a lesson to learn: The only easy part of trash is opening your hand to drop it. Everything else about it is complicated and difficult; mostly because everyone thinks they know all about it.

If the guys in the biz are need a month or two of mistakes to learn the gig then, 'Rule One: Nobody knows anything'†.

†William Goldman, Adventures in the Screen Trade, more or less.
No more garbage strikes.

Sold.

BTW, my recycling bin was picked up today by noon by GFL. I was surprised to see 2 guys in the truck. I thought they would have been using just 1. Anyway, they are doing their job and like all new jobs, it actually DOES take a bit of time to get into the groove. The so called "learning curve" which is very real.

You and I both know that there will be a savings on this, and there will be no more garbage strikes.
 

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The bigger picture

Ask a hater that one. I just wanted to point out that if the same guy screaming about stinking uncollected garbage during the strike is now saying we should be reasonable about uncollected garbage while the entrepreneurs figure out how to do what they promised, then it never had anything to do with garbage. Apart from the stuff between the ears, of course. Hatred and crap thinking are equally disastrous bases for policy.
You'll have to 'splain that one. How will a non-civil service union 'holding the public to ransom' by not hauling their trash be any different than a civil service union 'holding the public … etc; etc.?

The final verbless sentence fragment—"Except of coarse[sic], the union at the WORLDS most expensive auto plants"—has no meaning I can detect, let alone ask a question about to help me understand how carmakers suddenly got into a garbage service topic. It wasn't the auto union's job to see that the plants ran cheap. That'd be the bonus-earning qualification that put the expensive company execs across the table from them. The execs who said, "we can live with that" and signed. Did they not earn their pay and bonuses honestly then?

PS: We all realize this entire exercise will be saving each household west of Yonge, just $5-6 each month, don't we? Not that they'll ever see that dough, as Rob's already promised a tax hike for next year. But if he and Council had worked to save $11,000,000 by cutting down the tonnage hauled we coulda at least felt we'd accomplished something useful.

Much easier to hate.
Simplified,...civil servant unions are less enlightened than private sector unions, with the exception of the CAW.

The CAW currently are meeting to pick a target,...not all of the big/little 3, just one, and of coarse, NOT Toyota and Honda.
You have to understand the economics of singling out one company,... becomes a threat, NOT a negotiation.
The Caw, being the MOST costly on the planet, want to increase the difference, under the guise of "sharing" the profit,...BUT as usual,...will NOT accept profit sharing.
Which ranks right up there with COLA, as displaying a complete lack of understanding economics.
You state that its not the Caw’s place to help run the plants efficiently,...you would be absolutely correct,...they did/do the opposite.

Repeating the ONLY 11 MILLION DOLLAR saving, completely misses the whole point of the exercise !!

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