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But he's also wrong as well.
Perhaps but it doesn't matter.

The "you didn't build that" flub has become a symbol of Obama's ass-backwards approach to promoting economic growth. Every reference to the quote is hurtful, regardless of whatever point Obama thought he was making.
 

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Perhaps but it doesn't matter.

The "you didn't build that" flub has become a symbol of Obama's ass-backwards approach to promoting economic growth. Every reference to the quote is hurtful, regardless of whatever point Obama thought he was making.
Unfortunately the immense problems the US is facing cannot be solved with soundbits or slogans.

Without cutting the military or increasing taxes, it will only get worse.
 

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Unfortunately the immense problems the US is facing cannot be solved with soundbits or slogans.
Obama has certainly proven that point.

However, the real issue with the "you didn't build that" flub is that it spoke to Obama's values and beliefs. When Ryan said "you did build that," he was speaking to a different set of values.
 

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Obama has certainly proven that point.

However, the real issue with the "you didn't build that" flub is that it spoke to Obama's values and beliefs. When Ryan said "you did build that," he was speaking to a different set of values.
I do agree. Where we disagree is, that I believe Obama's statement is correct.
 

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Perhaps but it doesn't matter.

The "you didn't build that" flub has become a symbol of Obama's ass-backwards approach to promoting economic growth. Every reference to the quote is hurtful, regardless of whatever point Obama thought he was making.
Of course it matters, as there are idiots who believe he was wrong and that he was dumping on those who start up and run businesses. It became an incorrect symbol based on a false premise that only the uninformed believe.
 

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I remember watching Ryan bray away about cutting government spending and I thought, "this guy is on the right track

But then the interviewer asked him about cutting military spending and Ryan answered that no, he didn't propose cutting spending to the military because of the threat of international terrorism and theats to America, blah blah blah.

Soon as he said that I thought, "this guy is a freak" and he isn't serious about cutting government spending if the US military gets a pass.

If he said that he was going to cut spending across the board, including the military, I would have stood up and listened, but he's just another war monger who believes in funding wars as opposed to funding education or health care.
 

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No one has offered a more responsible budget....
 

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I think this was a pick about political weakness. Mittens didn't have the wherewithall to commit himself to anything, and now found a running mate who would. Well, now Romney's gotta own that shit. I think Romney played entirely into the President's hand. This is the VP nominee they wanted to face.

Romney realized he wasn't going to appeal to conservatives, and he went overboard. He can't expect the #2 guy to deliver the message for him. I view this as somewhat an act of desperation. He wants to relegate it to someone else, rather then showing he can lead.
 

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I remember watching Ryan bray away about cutting government spending and I thought, "this guy is on the right track

But then the interviewer asked him about cutting military spending and Ryan answered that no, he didn't propose cutting spending to the military because of the threat of international terrorism and theats to America, blah blah blah.

Soon as he said that I thought, "this guy is a freak" and he isn't serious about cutting government spending if the US military gets a pass.

If he said that he was going to cut spending across the board, including the military, I would have stood up and listened, but he's just another war monger who believes in funding wars as opposed to funding education or health care.
you could argue that having a strong military is one of the core responsibilities of govt. govt has no business in education, healthcare, commerce, but keeping law and order and protecting its citizens is basically the main role of government. but bc the country is so sick and deranged in 2012 we arnt going to completely abolish medicare, social security, the department of education etc, the only realistic scenario is deep spending cuts to all area of government so the military has to be included as well. america should close its foreign bases and stop trying to police the world and that would cut a big slice off the department of defense's budget
 

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btw romney is already hinting he isnt going to support the kinds of cuts ryan has proposed in congress, so its all show. romney is just talking the talk acting like hes going to change washington, maybe he'll cut the deficit by 200 billion or so but that isnt gonna make america better off. the deficit this year is going to be around 1.5 trillion
 

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i find it interesting that part of Romney,s talking points is that Obama has never had a "real job", so what could he know about creating economic growth if he never worked in the private sector, but yet this Ryan guy had worked briefly in his daddy,s company, but went straight to govt, starting as an intern, then working for the late jack kemp, and then upteen years in Congres...and his main claim,to fame is proposing to slash progams that help the elderly...yep, definetly qualified to be the potential leader of the free world....almost as scary as Palin..
 

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btw romney is already hinting he isnt going to support the kinds of cuts ryan has proposed in congress, so its all show. romney is just talking the talk acting like hes going to change washington, maybe he'll cut the deficit by 200 billion or so but that isnt gonna make america better off. the deficit this year is going to be around 1.5 trillion[/QUOTE

i get that you are a Libertarian, who hates debt and deficiets...butyou buy into the right wing prattle about "entitlements'...when for the most part since the early 80,s govt world wide has been cotrolled by right wing neo cons, who have created this mess, by profligated spending on the military, waging wars, and slashing taxes for the wealthy...almost obscenely i may add...so please dont tellme that some little old lady in Florida should tighten her belt because Donald trump neesd another tax cut..
 

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btw romney is already hinting he isnt going to support the kinds of cuts ryan has proposed in congress, so its all show. romney is just talking the talk acting like hes going to change washington, maybe he'll cut the deficit by 200 billion or so but that isnt gonna make america better off. the deficit this year is going to be around 1.5 trillion
So I guess you're suggesting a coup since the Dems aren't doing it and the Republicans can't do it.

Citizens, ARM YOURSELVES, TO THE BARRACADE, RISE UP, TAKE CONTROL!!!!!

All you do is pass on stuff handed to you by your idol(s) Paulie and Stiffie, but still no 'pertinent' facts or figures.

How do you suggest to run the education system, if government is not involved?
 
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you could argue that having a strong military is one of the core responsibilities of govt. govt has no business in education, healthcare, commerce, but keeping law and order and protecting its citizens is basically the main role of government. but bc the country is so sick and deranged in 2012 we arnt going to completely abolish medicare, social security, the department of education etc, the only realistic scenario is deep spending cuts to all area of government so the military has to be included as well. america should close its foreign bases and stop trying to police the world and that would cut a big slice off the department of defense's budget
Depending on who you listen to, the US has between 750 and 1,000 military bases outside of the United States.

This is just nuts. They could / should close every last one of them - but they won't.

The US military budget is more than every other country in the world combined. Truth be told, it tops a trillion dollars a year. It could easily be cut back to the 400 billion mark - which is where it was when Clinton was in power.

But Ryan thinks like most Republicans - they all love things that go boom.
 

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Great pick, he made the POTUS look like a fool at the "health care round table"..... Biden should be worried he'll get his ass kicked in a VP debate.
Ryan should be expected to do very, very well in a debate vs. Biden. But he may cost his candidate Florida.
 

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you could argue that having a strong military is one of the core responsibilities of govt. govt has no business in education, healthcare, commerce, but keeping law and order and protecting its citizens is basically the main role of government. but bc the country is so sick and deranged in 2012 we arnt going to completely abolish medicare, social security, the department of education etc, the only realistic scenario is deep spending cuts to all area of government so the military has to be included as well. america should close its foreign bases and stop trying to police the world and that would cut a big slice off the department of defense's budget
Other than the fact that you like guns or something, what is the difference between the government saving a life from an invading foreign military, or the government saving a life by making people wear seatbelts?

Or tell us again about the great private health care in Cuba.

Please show me one first world country where the government plays no role in education, healthcare and commerce. Just one.
 

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btw romney is already hinting he isnt going to support the kinds of cuts ryan has proposed in congress, so its all show. romney is just talking the talk acting like hes going to change washington, maybe he'll cut the deficit by 200 billion or so but that isnt gonna make america better off. the deficit this year is going to be around 1.5 trillion[/QUOTE

i get that you are a Libertarian, who hates debt and deficiets...butyou buy into the right wing prattle about "entitlements'...when for the most part since the early 80,s govt world wide has been cotrolled by right wing neo cons, who have created this mess, by profligated spending on the military, waging wars, and slashing taxes for the wealthy...almost obscenely i may add...so please dont tellme that some little old lady in Florida should tighten her belt because Donald trump neesd another tax cut..
what created this mess was too much govt spending, making future promises that couldnt be kept. The republicans arnt proposing raising taxes on anyone, raising taxes on millionaires, the majority who run small businesses, the job creators isnt going to solve the fiscal mess at all but it will make the economy worse by reducing capital investment and increasing layoffs. they are already paying 39% federal tax, state income tax, payroll taxes for their employees, social security taxes, add this up and half their income is already being taken, and you want more? Not to mention all the expenses involved in running a business, the regulations. the worst thing you can do is send productive capital that would have been invested to grow the economy to washington where it is squandered on food stamps and bad companies getting taxpayer funding like solyndra. Obama has been in power, you talk about wars he managed 3 wars while in office, he hasnt brought troops home from afghanistan and he attacked libya, geroge bush ended the iraq war before he left office. the democrats are pro war as well. I want the wars ended anyway it is a waste of money. Now donald trump, he pays millions in taxes everyyear, hes took alot of risk in his life ( he went bankrupt in the 90's) he works 15 hour days, he employs thousands of people. the elderly today are enjoying their medicare and social security benefits, in fact many well off seniors in florida get these benefits and they don't need them. young people today are working hard and financing old peoples entitlements and when they retire that money wont be there for them. the problem with these entitlements will begin when the baby boomers retire, there wont be enough young people working to contribute to the ponzi scheme. instead of raising taxes on small business owners the federal govt should start laying off all the lazy unproductive govt bureaucrats who watch porn all day, thats unproductive capital investment.
 

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what created this mess was too much govt spending, making future promises that couldnt be kept. The republicans arnt proposing raising taxes on anyone, raising taxes on millionaires, the majority who run small businesses, the job creators isnt going to solve the fiscal mess at all but it will make the economy worse by reducing capital investment and increasing layoffs. they are already paying 39% federal tax, state income tax, payroll taxes for their employees, social security taxes, add this up and half their income is already being taken, and you want more? Not to mention all the expenses involved in running a business, the regulations. the worst thing you can do is send productive capital that would have been invested to grow the economy to washington where it is squandered on food stamps and bad companies getting taxpayer funding like solyndra. Obama has been in power, you talk about wars he managed 3 wars while in office, he hasnt brought troops home from afghanistan and he attacked libya, geroge bush ended the iraq war before he left office. the democrats are pro war as well. I want the wars ended anyway it is a waste of money. Now donald trump, he pays millions in taxes everyyear, hes took alot of risk in his life ( he went bankrupt in the 90's) he works 15 hour days, he employs thousands of people. the elderly today are enjoying their medicare and social security benefits, in fact many well off seniors in florida get these benefits and they don't need them. young people today are working hard and financing old peoples entitlements and when they retire that money wont be there for them. the problem with these entitlements will begin when the baby boomers retire, there wont be enough young people working to contribute to the ponzi scheme. instead of raising taxes on small business owners the federal govt should start laying off all the lazy unproductive govt bureaucrats who watch porn all day, thats unproductive capital investment.
Perhaps you should visit the real world once in a while.

Firstly, the number of government employees has been going down significantly during the BO regime.

Secondly there are no plans to raise taxes on small business. These appear to be in your imagination.
 

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what created this mess was too much govt spending, making future promises that couldnt be kept. The republicans arnt proposing raising taxes on anyone, raising taxes on millionaires, the majority who run small businesses, the job creators isnt going to solve the fiscal mess at all but it will make the economy worse by reducing capital investment and increasing layoffs. they are already paying 39% federal tax, state income tax, payroll taxes for their employees, social security taxes, add this up and half their income is already being taken, and you want more? the worst thing you can do is send productive capital that would have been invested to grow the economy to washington where it is squandered on food stamps and bad companies getting taxpayer funding like solyndra. Obama has been in power, you talk about wars he managed 3 wars while in office, he hasnt brought troops home from afghanistan and he attacked libya, geroge bush ended the iraq war before he left office. the democrats are pro war as well. I want the wars ended anyway it is a waste of money. Now donald trump, he pays millions in taxes everyyear, hes took alot of risk in his life ( he went bankrupt in the 90`s) he works 15 hour days, he employs thousands of people. the elderly today are enjoying their medicare and social security benefits, in fact many well off seniors in florida get these benefits and they don`t need them. young people today are working hard and financing old peoples entitlements and when they retire that money wont be there for them. the problem with these entitlements will begin when the baby boomers retire, there wont be enough young people working to contribute to the ponzi scheme.
Holy Cow! Where do I begin. What made this mess was 30 years of mismanagement, mortgaging the future and two major wars. Even Reagan after initially making and keeping promises to cut taxes, realized he couldn`t keep his promises and raised taxes

Not keeping promises. I guess you missed these facts;

Obama versus Romney/GOP

Obama`s actual record

Romney`s/GOPs actaul recor
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The Libyan war was small change compared to the Iraq and Afghan war. Bringing troops from Afghanistan is happening, but you just can flick a switch and they leave.

Trump going bankrupt, not what I would call a vote of confidence. He started his work history in his dad`s company and hit the ground running with millions to work with AND he declared bankruptcy, good to know. How do you know he paid millions? He was asked to give his finances over for scrutiny when he was thinking of running for POTUS, he declined and backed out. You haven`t clue how much he paid. He made his money in Real Estate. Having seen first hand how he and his son operated in their acquisition of land for a golf resort on the east coast of Scotland, he`s purely and simply a self absorbed greedy bandit. The Tangerine man actually thinks he`s responsible for Obama turning over his birth certificate.

How many well off seniors get these benefits and don`t need them. Give us a number, ffs. I`ll give you a number, 15%/~46 million of all senior live below the poverty line and that number is increasing annually. add that to the senior who live near the same watermark, ~25% of the senior population live within reach of the line ~150% of the poverty rate, that ~$22,000 a year. If you look at 200% of the poverty line it`s ~35%, that only $30,000. How much do you make? could you live on these salaries?

The majority of millionaire run small business?:confused: Really?
 
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