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dirkd101 said:
It's Bettman's deadline though. He said they can't work under the previous CBA when it expires and is steadfast on this.
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He's obviously not going to make it for once the season starts, so this gives him some buffer time to look gracious if they are close and say he's willing to extend it.

Not that it's going to happen because the negotiations will not be close enough for an extension. Both sides will continue to posture until the total season is in jeopardy. Neither side gives a shit about the fans.

I agree they can't work under the current CBA. Look at the utterly ridiculous contracts being offered and signed.
 
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NHL Lockout ! .... again.

Thanks Gary. Make sure you make it better for struggling US teams.
 
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shack said:
I think fuck Bettman and Fehr would be more appropriate.

It takes two to tango.
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Oh that's nonsense! This is going to be Betman's second lock out, Fehr was nowhere in the picture last time. Bettman owns this. He got nearly 100% of what he demanded last time, so it's all his responsibility.

It was Bettman who promised and insisted that a salary cap was the great solution if only PA would except it.

Well it took no time at all for owners & GM's to find new ways to financially fuck themselves up. And the league still needs to finsd new ways to keep alive ill concieved teams which never had any business reason to justify their existence except for other owners to pocket a share of expansion fees.

There ought to be a law which kicks in at some point and forces the people who make these decisions to soulder the consequences from their own pocket. They will never change theur ways if they are allowed to threaten and blackmail their labour force for concession to tie them over until next time.
 
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I don't see why they can't work under the current CBA until the get it done. This will be Bettman's second lock-out, he's the problem here.
 
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dirkd101 said:
I don't see why they can't work under the current CBA until the get it done.
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I don't like the idea of a lockout anymore than you, but if management does not draw a line in the sand this thing will drag on forever as the players believe the new agreement will not be as good as the current one. Lets hope they settle before then.
 
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Sure. Fehr is an angel. He never asks for anything unreasonable.

NHL is giving out 57% of revenues to players. What other league is in that range? Revenues have gone up around 50% due to marketing strategies by the owners since the last CBA and the players have received the lion's share of that.
 
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bobbyhullfan said:
This is all just posturing. An 11th hour deal will be reached. Just my opinion...
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I think the posturing will go on 'til the 13th or 14th hour.
 
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It doesn't really matter.

Small sport with a very limited market and fan base.

Very few would even notice if the NHL just packed it up.
 
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Oh that's nonsense! This is going to be Betman's second lock out, Fehr was nowhere in the picture last time. Bettman owns this. He got nearly 100% of what he demanded last time, so it's all his responsibility.

It was Bettman who promised and insisted that a salary cap was the great solution if only PA would except it.

Well it took no time at all for owners & GM's to find new ways to financially fuck themselves up. And the league still needs to finsd new ways to keep alive ill concieved teams which never had any business reason to justify their existence except for other owners to pocket a share of expansion fees.

There ought to be a law which kicks in at some point and forces the people who make these decisions to soulder the consequences from their own pocket. They will never change theur ways if they are allowed to threaten and blackmail their labour force for concession to tie them over until next time.
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If there is a lockout, they will lose me as a fan. This is totally on Bettman. They get everything they wanted the last time around. I only recently started watching baseball after the strike in 93 and I'm still not back 100%.
 
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NHL will lose lots of fans for a while if there is a strike again. Then, it will take a long time to recover financially again!:D
 
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NHL will lose lots of fans for a while if there is a strike again. Then, it will take a long time to recover financially again!:D
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It didn't the last time.
 
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shack said:
Sure. Fehr is an angel. He never asks for anything unreasonable.

NHL is giving out 57% of revenues to players. What other league is in that range? Revenues have gone up around 50% due to marketing strategies by the owners since the last CBA and the players have received the lion's share of that.
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Don't they play 100% of the games? Who would pay to see the owners skate around?

No one can say what's the right split of the pot except the guys doing the deal: a union of owners and a union of players who each need the other to makeany money at all.

We call it the free market and The Invisible Hand writes the rules.
 
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Agree to a certain extent. In the market of pro sports leagues in N. Am. the NHL generates the least revenues and pays out the highest percentages to payroll.

BTW, the players play 100% only because the owners pay 100% of their salaries. No pay, no play, which is what we shall shortly see.

It's tough for a player to lose a whole year of salary. I wonder how anxious some of these players will be to give up a second year of income. IMO, the billionaire owners hold the hammer.
 
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shack said:
Agree to a certain extent. In the market of pro sports leagues in N. Am. the NHL generates the least revenues and pays out the highest percentages to payroll.

BTW, the players play 100% only because the owners pay 100% of their salaries. No pay, no play, which is what we shall shortly see.

It's tough for a player to lose a whole year of salary. I wonder how anxious some of these players will be to give up a second year of income. IMO, the billionaire owners hold the hammer.
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This labour dispute isn't just player vs Owner ... It's the have teams vs the have not teams ... Get rid of a few teams and you will see lock outs and strikes be a non issue in the future . Supply vs Demand would result in player salaries being effected and you wouldn't have to create a labour aggrement which would help those teams who are bleeding in red .
 
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