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I'm pretty sure this is an all time record!

2012 - 203 Shooting victims with 165 days left to go!
Back, in the day you had to pull the trigger for each round and reload after 6 or 10 rounds, but today you squeeze it once and 30 rounds go off. Lazy pricks.
 

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One reason advanced for why the community does not give names to the police or testify in court is because of fear of retribution. Hard to believe this is the same race of people brave enough to take on the KKK and lynch mobs 50 years ago.
so why don't the police testify against each other?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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If they did, would the shooting problem in Malvern go away?
That doesnt matter, cops are supposed to lead by example

Very unlikely.

The one at the flats was a middle aged guy with no gang connections.
The last one took place in the Jungle which has enough troubles with violence
Again, cops might just be saying that to not cause panic
 

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Rockslinger said:
One reason advanced for why the community does not give names to the police or testify in court is because of fear of retribution. Hard to believe this is the same race of people brave enough to take on the KKK and lynch mobs 50 years ago.
Having the FBI and the Executive Branch on their side mighta helped. And if the Klan guys lived next door to the witness, even the cops coulda spotted him.

Beyond stuff about social and cultural code, part of what the silence speaks to is that witnesses demonstrably do not believe their police are in their neighbourhood to keep them safe. And when the fuss dies down, and the cops leave—as the residents know they will—the bangers will still be there.

Part of the policing problem is the annual cut-costs-budget-charade, that means long term programs like TAVIS are on the chopping block ever ten or eleven months, and good rising officers can't pick that sort of policing as a career path.
 

blackrock13

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Very unlikely.

The one at the flats was a middle aged guy with no gang connections.
The last one took place in the Jungle which has enough troubles with violence.
That doesnt matter, cops are supposed to lead by example


Again, cops might just be saying that to not cause panic


Sure, let's just lie about it make it more difficult to get leads from people who may have actually seen the suspect.
 

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basketcase said:
Very unlikely.

The one at the flats was a middle aged guy with no gang connections.
The last one took place in the Jungle which has enough troubles with violence.
If he had no gang connections he wouldn't have been at a party attended by gangsters. He has SOME connection, however small. He at the very least tolerated gang members at social events.

In any case, it's likely that several of the victims do have gang connections, there were so many shot and shot at.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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If he had no gang connections he wouldn't have been at a party attended by gangsters. He has SOME connection, however small. He at the very least tolerated gang members at social events
Where did you read that?? Got a link, please??
 

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Phil C. McNasty said:
Where did you read that?? Got a link, please??
What? That the shooters had gang affiliation? That the victims and shooters were attending the same party?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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What? That the shooters had gang affiliation? That the victims and shooters were attending the same party?
Relax buddy, I was just asking for a news link. Take a valium ;)

This is the only news article I could find so far: http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer....-dead-in-toronto-schoolyard-was-at-deadly-bbq


Man found shot dead in Toronto schoolyard linked to deadly BBQ

Toronto’s latest murder victim was at Monday’s barbecue party when gunfire erupted, killing two people and wounded 23 others, QMI Agency has learned.

The same source says the mass shooting - the worst incident of gun violence in the city’s history - was definitely gang-related.

“The retaliation has started,” crime victim advocate Kemi Omololu-Olunloyo said just hours after the body of Daniel Davis, 27, was identified as Toronto’s 30th murder victim of the year by friends and relatives at the scene of a west-end schoolyard.

Omololu-Olunloyo, who is well connected to Toronto’s black community, was told of the stunning turn of events by a family member of someone who was at the party with the 27-year-old found dead in Lawrence Heights early Thursday.

Although the victim, also known as “Snoop,” was gunned down on the opposite side of the city, she is convinced his slaying is connected to the deadly shootout in the city’s east end just over 48 hours earlier.

Toronto Police could not immediately confirm or deny that Davis was at the public housing complex on Monday.

“As far as I know this guy, he’s a very good person,” said one elderly woman described as a mother-figure to the victim.

Wishing to remain unnamed, she said she had dinner with Davis on Wednesday night.

“He grew up in the neighbourhood, he went to school together with my kids,” she said, tears pooling in her eyes.

“Everybody knows him as a handsome, kind, quiet person,” she said. “He don’t make trouble, he was never into a gang.”

An elderly man named Tony said he knew the victim for 20 years.

“He doesn’t drink, he doesn’t smoke, I’m 100% sure he was not in any gang,” he said.

Omololu-Olunloyo has spent years advocating for murder victims and their families, while urging people to break the silence so prevalent after shootings by using Crime Stoppers.

Omololu-Olunloyo has forwarded tips to the police in the past that have directly led to the solving of murders.

On Wednesday, after Clayton Wright, 42, was gunned down in her Jane-Eglinton neighbourhood, she e-mailed Toronto police Chief Bill Blair and a handful of other officers warning of “imminent threats” to numerous people in Scarborough.

“I’ve been contacted by four separate people telling me they have been threatened,” Omololu-Olunloyo said.

“You will be sprayed and rinsed this weekend if you talk to police,” she said, quoting an e-mail sent to one of those people.

“I will kill your family if you snitch,” another person was warned.

Omololu-Olunloyo said one message claimed “we are the new Galloway Boys,” which she believes to be an indication Monday’s mass shooting was gang-related.

The Galloway Boys, an east-end Toronto gang, were virtually dismantled by police with Project Pathfinder in 2007.

But some media reports suggest Monday’s mass shooting may have been the result of a power struggle between the few older gang members who remained on the street and new members.

While Omololu-Olunloyo doubts the shooting was an intra-gang battle, she has yet to hear any other street gangs mentioned, and said the violence appears to have been fueled by social media.

Omololu-Olunloyo said young black men often post rap videos online, spouting off against rivals, and she believes that is what may have sparked Monday’s violence
 

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Having the FBI and the Executive Branch on their side mighta helped. And if the Klan guys lived next door to the witness, even the cops coulda spotted him.

Beyond stuff about social and cultural code, part of what the silence speaks to is that witnesses demonstrably do not believe their police are in their neighbourhood to keep them safe. And when the fuss dies down, and the cops leave—as the residents know they will—the bangers will still be there.

Part of the policing problem is the annual cut-costs-budget-charade, that means long term programs like TAVIS are on the chopping block ever ten or eleven months, and good rising officers can't pick that sort of policing as a career path.
Agree with this. Fortunately the mayor is meeting with the province and hopefully the feds to extend funding for Tavis.
 

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Agree with this. Fortunately the mayor is meeting with the province and hopefully the feds to extend funding for Tavis.
For all that I think Blair hugely bungled the G20, he's been a strong advocate of community-policing and on-the-ground stuff like TAVIS. Had he not been sandbagged by the Barrie Bunglers at Mountie HQ, and his own bad-boys who he inexpicably has yet to root out, he'd be the master of the situation. Unforttunately, like the Mayor, he too ahs a bit of an uphill climb back to full confidence.

But to get cops the people can believe in, onto the streets where those folks live in fear, he is the man. We'll see if those cops can make the people believe they are there for them.
 

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what we need is a CRASH unit like the famous one in LA that targeted street gangs but it aint gonna happen. ford wants to get shit done but unfortunately for him mcguinty is just gonna stand in his way, very frustrating im sure. the cops need to be raiding neighbourhoods and arresting suspected gang members they know which gangs were involved in the scuffle, they know all the street gangs. make it difficult for gangs to do business in toronto and they will leave
 

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Although the victim, also known as “Snoop,” was gunned down on the opposite side of the city, she is convinced his slaying is connected to the deadly shootout in the city’s east end just over 48 hours earlier.

Toronto Police could not immediately confirm or deny that Davis was at the public housing complex on Monday.

“As far as I know this guy, he’s a very good person,” said one elderly woman described as a mother-figure to the victim.

Wishing to remain unnamed, she said she had dinner with Davis on Wednesday night.

“He grew up in the neighbourhood, he went to school together with my kids,” she said, tears pooling in her eyes.

“Everybody knows him as a handsome, kind, quiet person,” she said. “He don’t make trouble, he was never into a gang.”

An elderly man named Tony said he knew the victim for 20 years.

“He doesn’t drink, he doesn’t smoke, I’m 100% sure he was not in any gang,” he said.[/url]
A guy nicknamed named Snoop? who doesn't smoke, nor drink? sureee...

I see that music videos are finally having influence on these guys. When will some wake up and admit that the bling bling, guns, hoes, ass, tits portrayed on black music videos has a big impact on how kids grow up these days.
 

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If he had no gang connections he wouldn't have been at a party attended by gangsters. He has SOME connection, however small. He at the very least tolerated gang members at social events.

In any case, it's likely that several of the victims do have gang connections, there were so many shot and shot at.
Brush up on your reading skills fuji.

The guy with no gang connections was the guy killed playing soccer and (as far as anyone knows) had nothing to do with the Danzig party.

Of course by your standards even I have gang connections because I've worked with a number of inner city kids, a couple of whom have had gang ties.
 

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I'm against retarded people who put a bullet in the heads of two year olds. There is no excuse, or psychosocial/economic factors that excuse this. Nor, any "let's try and understand this community and what makes them make these types of choices" Fuck them.
 

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I missed this one before. You need to look more closely at the data, you are making the classic error of assuming that because most sex offenders are white, whites commit sex offenses at a higher rate. What you are overlooking is that non-hispanic whites make up 63% of the American population (72% if you include white hispanics) and blacks make up only 13%. If you look at the proportions in the data you just cited you will see that whites commit sexual offenses at a lower rate than blacks do. The only reason they are mostly whites is that America is mostly white.

Specifically your data from your links says this:

% of total child molesters:

White 51%
African American 25%
Hispanic 15%
American Indian/Alaska Natives 2%
Asian/Pacific Islanders 1%​

So 63% of white Americans commit 52% of the sexual assaults, while the 13% of black Americans commit 25% of them.

You've just been hoist with your own petard!
 
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