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Do you think it's wrong that Mayor Ford was not at the Pride Flag raising ?

oldjones

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I will be more DEFINITIVE.

He was RIGHT not to be there.
DEFINITIVE? Whatever for, since no one has reported they're unclear? I think your intended meaning was closer to 'I will be more argumentative'. As to RIGHT; it's certainly an unsurprising political position for you, but few are interested any more. We know he's wrong about so much, one additional thing means little.

If he actually manages to put together a competing parade next year—boy! will that gum up traffic—d'ya think his must-attend-family weekend will be re-skedded?

Was the Deputy Mayor also RIGHT not to be there? Give reasons to support your view. (10 marks)
 

dirk076

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The Parade on Sunday closes the week. It does disrupt part of Bloor and most of Church, but that is city life for you.

How exactly it disrupts Canada Day, more than say, not wearing a maple-leaf bikini when hanging at the cottage or painting the garage instead of commemorating the day at Fort York I cannot say, but perhaps you can. Or you could email the Mayor suggesting next year he declare a holiday Monday the week before to encourage re-scheduling the parade.

I think celebrating freedom and pride on Canada Day isn't a bad thing at all.
How does it disrupt it? It is the Canada Day long weekend. Perhaps people would like to take part in activities in the downtown core during this long weekend without dealing with the pride activities. That is how it is disruptive. Why is it the same weekend? While pride might bring significant revenue to the City (although I believe the attendance and financial numbers are overinflated), how much is lost by having it on the same weekend?
 

msog87

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imo ford can do what he wants. although im surprised why he didnt just go to the flag raising. skip the parade if you want but why not just go to the stupid flag raising and avoid unnecessary criticism. there shouldnt be a flag raising anyways its uncalled for. I like that ford hasnt caved into criticism. mel lastman skipped pride his first year and went the 2nd year bc he couldnt handle the criticism. I respect ford for not being a political prostitute
 

rld

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imo ford can do what he wants. although im surprised why he didnt just go to the flag raising. skip the parade if you want but why not just go to the stupid flag raising and avoid unnecessary criticism. there shouldnt be a flag raising anyways its uncalled for. I like that ford hasnt caved into criticism. mel lastman skipped pride his first year and went the 2nd year bc he couldnt handle the criticism. I respect ford for not being a political prostitute
So you like the fact that Ford is snubbing his gay constituents.
 
All this attention being given to the fact that he's not going to be there seems very needy. THe parade isn't about mayor ford and it isn't going to be a success or a failure based on his attendance or not. I think as a straight man... He really has no reason to be there. It doesnt make him homophobic. You don't see him at the hindu parade or at every single event in toronto. That's not his job. People going to pride don't give a shit if mayor ford is there or not. It would be nice, but not a deciding factor on wether or not my friends and i or anyone else for that matter is going to go. It is not going to change my opinions about pride either or mayor ford. If he has better things to do great!
 

Jennifer_

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So you like the fact that Ford is snubbing his gay constituents.

... It is wrong that he has not and will not participate in any Pride Events. It saddens me that he's created divisiveness through his decision not to support the Torontonians who are gay, their families, friends, and supporters who pay his salary.

If you wanna complain about Pride being on Canada day weekend - think back a few years and recall a certain event called the G20 that was scheduled during the week Pride was regularly scheduled (ie. the weekend before Canada Day). THe parade moved back a week. This move resulted in more tourism for the city.

More out of towners are able to come to the city to celebrate because it's a long weekend, American cities like Chicago and New York celebrated Pride last week - many make their way up here for TOPride - now we have an increased number of people coming here and spending their money here. It made sense to keep the date switch permanent - It's a good thing.

I'll be there - along with a heckuvalotta other people - straight and gay. Everyone will have a blast and will pour lotsa money and lotsa love into our city.

I can't comprehend why anyone would want to support the small-minded and stubborn bigotry of Ford - but all the power to those who say he shouldn't participate.

Happy Pride !
 

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There are many demands made of the mayor's time.. he can't accommodate each and every request. He has a longstanding commitment that weekend to go to the cottage with his family. I have no problem with that. If pride organizers wanted the mayor to attend, they could have chosen a different date. That would at least remove Ford's excuse (which is probably what it really is).

I don't accept a blanket statement that because the mayor doesn't attend an event for X group, that he doesn't represent or care about that group.
 

rld

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There are many demands made of the mayor's time.. he can't accommodate each and every request. He has a longstanding commitment that weekend to go to the cottage with his family. I have no problem with that. If pride organizers wanted the mayor to attend, they could have chosen a different date. That would at least remove Ford's excuse (which is probably what it really is).

I don't accept a blanket statement that because the mayor doesn't attend an event for X group, that he doesn't represent or care about that group.
Firstly when you become mayor you might just have to give up a cottage weekend or two.

Secondly, the flag raising, which is being discussed, did not take place on his "cottage weekend."

And you think an event that involves hundreds of thousands of people should be booked around his schedule? Really?
 

rld

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All this attention being given to the fact that he's not going to be there seems very needy. THe parade isn't about mayor ford and it isn't going to be a success or a failure based on his attendance or not. I think as a straight man... He really has no reason to be there. It doesnt make him homophobic. You don't see him at the hindu parade or at every single event in toronto. That's not his job. People going to pride don't give a shit if mayor ford is there or not. It would be nice, but not a deciding factor on wether or not my friends and i or anyone else for that matter is going to go. It is not going to change my opinions about pride either or mayor ford. If he has better things to do great!
Your logic is just a tad soft. If he is not Irish should he not do St. Patty's day events? Or Greek events? He is supposed to be the mayor of all of his constituents.

And, I think going to major civic events, is part of his job.
 

richaceg

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People should focus on what Ford should do about the City more than showing up for Parades. I don't think teh gheys mind it at all except for the media whose probably doing the ghey criticisim. 2 words that would guarantee Ford showing up...."Sausage Party!".
 

elmo

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I think Ford not attending Pride is good on him. Gays seem to make him uncomfortable and he doesn't appear to understand or appreciate their lifestyle. The parade is also turning into a somewhat rude event with various suggestive states of undress and acts...good for him. I on the other hand just don't like the gay lifestyle at all so I'm not going either.
 

Jennifer_

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I just ran into something which I think the OP should know about. It appears his initial comment in the thread...is simply bogus. Looks like Ford did go to the flag raising this year and spoke there:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/05/17/toronto-ford-pflag.html

While not perfect, good on him.

Perhaps the OP should explain where he got his inaccurate info from...
That was not the Flag raising for Pride Week

http://www.thestar.com/news/article...d-s-pass-on-pride-simply-dumb-dimanno#article


Column: Mayor Rob Ford’s pass on Pride simply dumb: DiManno
June 25, 2012

Rosie DiManno

Stuff that Mayor Rob Ford has found time for on his busy agenda in recent months:

• Presenting a key to the city to McDonald’s Canada founder George Cohon.

• Buying a dozen boxes of vanilla and chocolate cookies from Girl Guides.

• Inspecting fallen concrete under the Gardiner Expressway.

• Unveiling a new bus stop on the Danforth.

• Attending the Good Friday procession in Little Italy.

• Proclaiming Jane Jacobs Day.

• Confronting a Toronto Star reporter on public property beyond his backyard fence and — it would appear — scrolling through the guy’s dropped cell phone.

Yet Ford was MIA Monday for the raising of the rainbow flag formally launching Pride Week in Toronto.

More: Councillors, but no mayor, turn out for joyous Pride flag-raising

Of course, the mayor’s presence was never expected. Ford said a week ago he had other commitments and would not attend. What these prior engagements might have been weren’t revealed. My city hall bureau colleagues were unable to find Mayor Waldo yesterday at the prescribed hour. Twenty-six councillors convened for the occasion on the rooftop podium, along with a provincial minister, some clergy, former mayor Barbara Hall, lots of media and a diverse array of interested spectators.

Among those was a fellow offering “The Embarrassing Rob Ford Tour’’ — a free-of-charge guided stroll focusing on art work inside city hall, with mortifying mayor commentary thrown in — and a black-clad group that staged a “die-in’’ on the ramp just below, bringing attention to the fate of persecuted gays globally.

One overheard snippet of conversation from amidst the milling crowd: “Yes, it was the first Jewish lesbian shotgun wedding. The baby’s due in September.’’

There were those applauding Israel as the only Middle East country where gay rights are protected. There were those wearing T-shirts slamming “Apartheid Israel’’ for its continued occupation of Palestinian territories.

Men in tight-fitting bicycle shorts and business suits, women in baggy overalls and gypsy skirts, kids in strollers, parents of gay children, elderly couples — same-sex and heterosexual — teens in Doc Martens, the outrageous and the modest.

A microcosm, really, of the city and Ford is mayor of it all, an inconvenient truth that he chooses to ignore when that doesn’t suit.

There were boos when Councillor Shelley Carroll channelled Ford for the officiating. “I, Mayor Ford, on behalf of Toronto city council, do hereby proclaim June 22 to July 1, 2012, as Pride Week in Toronto.’’

The thing is, had Ford surprised everybody by showing up, he would undoubtedly have been heartily cheered, just as he was when he made an unexpected appearance last month at the flag-raising for International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia. It wouldn’t matter if those present take a dim view of Ford and probably didn’t vote for him, though it would be imprudent to make even those generalizations — surely there are gays who ascribe to his politics and for whom the Ford nitty-gritty appeals.

But Pride Week, under this year’s banner of “Celebrate and Demonstrate,’’ is a feel-good event. The message is inherently anti-ill will. And the gay community would have deeply appreciated any kind of shout-out from Ford.

The mayor should understand this, yet fails repeatedly to embrace opportunities of inclusiveness that actually matter, that aren’t merely photo-ops. Yet again, as he’s already stated, Ford will take a pass on the Pride Parade this weekend because, as oft-stated, he traditionally spends Canada Day with his family at their Huntsville cottage.

That’s just not a good enough excuse. Ford goes home to his wife and children every night. It’s not like they don’t see enough of him. Sometimes, being mayor means putting the job ahead of family and, if unwilling to do that, then don’t run for the office. If it’s true, as has been rumoured, that Ford is uncomfortable around the exhibitionism that is a feature of the parade — scantily clad men, a pungent aroma of sex, which is mostly the gay community taking the mickey out of itself — then arrangements could easily be made to put the mayor far from “offending’’ participants. He really does need to confront his inner prude. Maybe Ford has body issues?

But by cold-shouldering the parade, as he did last year, Ford merely reminds everyone of his divisive clumsiness, the lack of sophistication he wears as if it were a badge of virtue, his small-mindedness. Further, it’s simply dumbass to snub an event that brings upwards of $135 million in economic benefits to the city and province and — as the third-largest gay pride celebration on the continent — immense cachet as well. This week’s cornucopia of activities includes everything from musical acts on five stages to art installations, book readings to erotic wrestling, and even a kids zone, all of it contributing to a lively jumble of entertainment and education.

In two years, Toronto will host World Pride. Perhaps by then another mayor will approach it with a higher regard for all of the city’s citizenry.

Ford does not make us proud.
 

rld

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That was not the Flag raising for Pride Week

http://www.thestar.com/news/article...d-s-pass-on-pride-simply-dumb-dimanno#article


Column: Mayor Rob Ford’s pass on Pride simply dumb: DiManno
June 25, 2012

Rosie DiManno

Stuff that Mayor Rob Ford has found time for on his busy agenda in recent months:

• Presenting a key to the city to McDonald’s Canada founder George Cohon.

• Buying a dozen boxes of vanilla and chocolate cookies from Girl Guides.

• Inspecting fallen concrete under the Gardiner Expressway.

• Unveiling a new bus stop on the Danforth.

• Attending the Good Friday procession in Little Italy.

• Proclaiming Jane Jacobs Day.

• Confronting a Toronto Star reporter on public property beyond his backyard fence and — it would appear — scrolling through the guy’s dropped cell phone.

Yet Ford was MIA Monday for the raising of the rainbow flag formally launching Pride Week in Toronto.

More: Councillors, but no mayor, turn out for joyous Pride flag-raising

Of course, the mayor’s presence was never expected. Ford said a week ago he had other commitments and would not attend. What these prior engagements might have been weren’t revealed. My city hall bureau colleagues were unable to find Mayor Waldo yesterday at the prescribed hour. Twenty-six councillors convened for the occasion on the rooftop podium, along with a provincial minister, some clergy, former mayor Barbara Hall, lots of media and a diverse array of interested spectators.

Among those was a fellow offering “The Embarrassing Rob Ford Tour’’ — a free-of-charge guided stroll focusing on art work inside city hall, with mortifying mayor commentary thrown in — and a black-clad group that staged a “die-in’’ on the ramp just below, bringing attention to the fate of persecuted gays globally.

One overheard snippet of conversation from amidst the milling crowd: “Yes, it was the first Jewish lesbian shotgun wedding. The baby’s due in September.’’

There were those applauding Israel as the only Middle East country where gay rights are protected. There were those wearing T-shirts slamming “Apartheid Israel’’ for its continued occupation of Palestinian territories.

Men in tight-fitting bicycle shorts and business suits, women in baggy overalls and gypsy skirts, kids in strollers, parents of gay children, elderly couples — same-sex and heterosexual — teens in Doc Martens, the outrageous and the modest.

A microcosm, really, of the city and Ford is mayor of it all, an inconvenient truth that he chooses to ignore when that doesn’t suit.

There were boos when Councillor Shelley Carroll channelled Ford for the officiating. “I, Mayor Ford, on behalf of Toronto city council, do hereby proclaim June 22 to July 1, 2012, as Pride Week in Toronto.’’

The thing is, had Ford surprised everybody by showing up, he would undoubtedly have been heartily cheered, just as he was when he made an unexpected appearance last month at the flag-raising for International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia. It wouldn’t matter if those present take a dim view of Ford and probably didn’t vote for him, though it would be imprudent to make even those generalizations — surely there are gays who ascribe to his politics and for whom the Ford nitty-gritty appeals.

But Pride Week, under this year’s banner of “Celebrate and Demonstrate,’’ is a feel-good event. The message is inherently anti-ill will. And the gay community would have deeply appreciated any kind of shout-out from Ford.

The mayor should understand this, yet fails repeatedly to embrace opportunities of inclusiveness that actually matter, that aren’t merely photo-ops. Yet again, as he’s already stated, Ford will take a pass on the Pride Parade this weekend because, as oft-stated, he traditionally spends Canada Day with his family at their Huntsville cottage.

That’s just not a good enough excuse. Ford goes home to his wife and children every night. It’s not like they don’t see enough of him. Sometimes, being mayor means putting the job ahead of family and, if unwilling to do that, then don’t run for the office. If it’s true, as has been rumoured, that Ford is uncomfortable around the exhibitionism that is a feature of the parade — scantily clad men, a pungent aroma of sex, which is mostly the gay community taking the mickey out of itself — then arrangements could easily be made to put the mayor far from “offending’’ participants. He really does need to confront his inner prude. Maybe Ford has body issues?

But by cold-shouldering the parade, as he did last year, Ford merely reminds everyone of his divisive clumsiness, the lack of sophistication he wears as if it were a badge of virtue, his small-mindedness. Further, it’s simply dumbass to snub an event that brings upwards of $135 million in economic benefits to the city and province and — as the third-largest gay pride celebration on the continent — immense cachet as well. This week’s cornucopia of activities includes everything from musical acts on five stages to art installations, book readings to erotic wrestling, and even a kids zone, all of it contributing to a lively jumble of entertainment and education.

In two years, Toronto will host World Pride. Perhaps by then another mayor will approach it with a higher regard for all of the city’s citizenry.

Ford does not make us proud.
Ah...I see. However it does undermine the homophobic argument against him.
 

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No, quite serious. They are folks with different sexual orientations than the majority. They are not computer companies or construction companies looking for a hand out...they are only seeking equal rights, some recognition and tolerance. What is wrong with that?

Are you suggesting that nobody should support or advocate anything?
Heterosexual people don't feel the need to advertise their sexual orientation or seek recognition so on that note, maybe the heterosexuals should have their own parade also!
 

Jennifer_

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Heterosexual people don't feel the need to advertise their sexual orientation or seek recognition so on that note, maybe the heterosexuals should have their own parade also!
... ya for sure. There are no signs of sexuality comming from the straight population everywhere we look.
I have never seen a couple making out in public. I have never seen half-dressed woman posing seductively to sell something.

... and ya heterosexuals sure have had a tough time being accepted as equal in society so for sure - we deserve our own parade :confused:

- American but it gives me chills:


The gay population damn-well deserves a parade and they damn-well deserve the symbolic support of our mayor.
 

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Heterosexual people don't feel the need to advertise their sexual orientation or seek recognition so on that note, maybe the heterosexuals should have their own parade also!
The only thing I really don't understand about many gays is the need to push their sexual choice in everyone face. Maybe i'm just simple minded but I really don't get why a sexual preference determines ones behavour. Maybe im just too used to the world acting straight.
 

rld

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Heterosexual people don't feel the need to advertise their sexual orientation or seek recognition so on that note, maybe the heterosexuals should have their own parade also!

Did I miss something or did heteros suffer a few centuries of discrimination?

Has anyone tried to organize a hetero parade? Any one opposed it?

Has there been a lack of tolerance or recognition for heteros?
 

Jennifer_

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The only thing I really don't understand about many gays is the need to push their sexual choice in everyone face. Maybe i'm just simple minded but I really don't get why a sexual preference determines ones behavour. Maybe im just too used to the world acting straight.
The thing is - the difference between a heterosexual and a homosexual lies in ones sexuality. To celebrate one`s sexual identity, one is celebrating sexuality.

You are right - we are used to living in a world where gay people could not freely-express things that straight people have always been able to be open with. Some things that wouldn`t phase us to see a straight person doing or saying may surprise us a little when a gay individual is doing or saying the very-same thing.

Regardless - Ive been to the parade and I have spent a lot of time around Church Street during the last few Pride Celebrations - I have brought straight male friends who were honestly scared by what they would see - even the most uneasy male friend I took had a blast and walked away happy that he went.

There was a grade 1 class in attendance at the flag raising. There was nothing `scary` about the event. It was very-tame and right outside his office.

The mayor just had to show up at a flag raising (though he should be at the parade). Just like the mayor shows up when Donald cuts the Ribbon at the Trump Tower, just like the mayor shows up at Remembrance Day ceremonies, just like the mayor shows up at Carribana, just like the mayor walks in the Santa Clause and Easter Bunny parades, just like the mayor shows up after a shooting at the Eaton Centre.

It is the mayor`s job to be there - he knows this... why else would he write the proclamation declaring the opening of Pride Week (read by Shelly Carrol).

There is no excuse - but it is far from surprising.
 

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The thing is - the difference between a heterosexual and a homosexual lies in ones sexuality. To celebrate one`s sexual identity, one is celebrating sexuality.

You are right - we are used to living in a world where gay people could not freely-express things that straight people have always been able to be open with. Some things that wouldn`t phase us to see a straight person doing or saying may surprise us a little when a gay individual is doing or saying the very-same thing.

Regardless - Ive been to the parade and I have spent a lot of time around Church Street during the last few Pride Celebrations - I have brought straight male friends who were honestly scared by what they would see - even the most uneasy male friend I took had a blast and walked away happy that he went.

There was a grade 1 class in attendance at the flag raising. There was nothing `scary` about the event. It was very-tame and right outside his office.

The mayor just had to show up at a flag raising (though he should be at the parade). Just like the mayor shows up when Donald cuts the Ribbon at the Trump Tower, just like the mayor shows up at Remembrance Day ceremonies, just like the mayor shows up at Carribana, just like the mayor walks in the Santa Clause and Easter Bunny parades, just like the mayor shows up after a shooting at the Eaton Centre.

It is the mayor`s job to be there - he knows this... why else would he write the proclamation declaring the opening of Pride Week (read by Shelly Carrol).

There is no excuse - but it is far from surprising.

If the mayor did feel it was not right for him then we have to respect his views as we have to respect heterosexual and homosexual views.

I don't see a problem accepting a different point of view.
 
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