Shooting at Eaton Centre

[fuji]

Wow. To blame poverty on bad choices.

Absolutely I blame poverty on bad choices. Absolutely. If this were some third world country where there were no opportunities then maybe it'd be different, but here in Canada honestly there are opportunities for anyone who works hard enough. The cultural problems in the black community have prevented them from doing so. Black kids are discouraged by their own peers from engaging in the sorts of activities that would result in a good life. At least in the problem communities.

I was riding in the elevator today and this pretty hot black woman got in. She was wearing a nice business outfit with a little skirt, had her hair tied nearly back, she was clean. Looked like she had her shit together. She is not the problem. The fuckups at Jane & Finch who convince each other to drop out of school and don't bother following up on ANY of the advantages or opportunities this country offers its citizens--they are the problem. They are THE problem.

The woman in the elevator today had black skin, but she was not part of that community. She isn't bought into that failed fuck-up culture. Maybe she was born into a family like that, maybe not--either way she got her shit together, went to school, and made something of her life. Don't know who she is or what she does, honestly, but you can tell just by looking that she and her boyfriend aren't going to be joyriding in stolen cars.

What makes you qualified to comment on the black and aboriginal problems.

Honesty. Intelligence. A person not afraid to face the facts. Get over yourself--this is an anonymous message board, if I had qualifications entitling me to comment in some authoritative way I sure as hell wouldn't tell you, and if you tell me that you do, I sure as hell won't believe you. You're going to have to deal in the facts and stop making these silly appeals to authority.

To be honest my problem is that you make deliberate overly broad blanket statements and never back any of it up.

Let's see, I have been correct on all the major points on this thread, about who is committing the crime, about how it's not a problem with poverty.

You keep saying it isn't culture, but you haven't been articulate what it is. Why are blacks so much more likely to commit crime than their socio-economic status would suggest, if it isn't culture?

 

[fuji]

Insults are not substitutes for states.

And your refusal to face the facts isn't helpful either. Go look at the police blotters in Winnipeg and Edmonton. They look a heck of a lot like the blotters for Toronto, if you substitute "native" for "black".

 

[frankcastle]

And your refusal to face the facts isn't helpful either. Go look at the police blotters in Winnipeg and Edmonton. They look a heck of a lot like the blotters for Toronto, if you substitute "native" for "black".

Nope need numbers. Perusing a website doesn't count

Here are top five cities by pop and Mulder rate rankings

Toronto. 9
Montreal 22
Vancouver 5
Calgary 6
Edmonton 2

Here are top five black populations ranging from 6,7% to 2.7% and their murder rate rankings

Toronto 9
Montreal 22
Halifax 8
Ottawa 36
Windsor 31

STRANGE how number of blacks doesn't result in higher murder rates

Toronto is the only large black pop that has a high murder rate BUT three large urban areas beat Toronto

Also keep in mind ont and Que are two of the safest provinces.

 

[frankcastle]

Nope need numbers. Perusing a website doesn't count

Here are top five cities by pop and Mulder rate rankings

Toronto. 9
Montreal 22
Vancouver 5
Calgary 6
Edmonton 2

Here are top five black populations ranging from 6,7% to 2.7% and their murder rate rankings

Toronto 9
Montreal 22
Halifax 8
Ottawa 36
Windsor 31

STRANGE how number of blacks doesn't result in higher murder rates

Toronto is the only large black pop that has a high murder rate BUT three large urban areas beat Toronto

For the ones accusing me of being liberal this is not to say that black crime is not a problem

It is a problem just not as widespread as some people make it out to be.

 

[frankcastle]

And your refusal to face the facts isn't helpful either. Go look at the police blotters in Winnipeg and Edmonton. They look a heck of a lot like the blotters for Toronto, if you substitute "native" for "black".

You should talk to researchers

Your "just look" approach would save them so much time

 

[Rockslinger]

Absolutely I blame poverty on bad choices. Absolutely. If this were some third world country where there were no opportunities then maybe it'd be different, but here in Canada honestly there are opportunities for anyone who works hard enough.

This is so true for many ethnic groups like the Portuguese, Italians, Chinese, E.I.'s, Koreans, Filipinos, etc. Learn a trade and/or get as much education as possible and/or start your own legal business. Millions of people do it. No need to join a gang and shoot people.

 

[GG2]

You should talk to researchers

Your "just look" approach would save them so much time

lol

This is so true for many ethnic groups like the Portuguese, Italians, Chinese, E.I.'s, Koreans, Filipinos, etc. Learn a trade and/or get as much education as possible and/or start your own legal business. Millions of people do it. No need to join a gang and shoot people.

In Toronto:

Portuguese -> Gangs
Italians -> Mafia (Organized crime) monopoly on construction industry
Chinese -> Drugs (Organized crime)
EI/Koreans -> Convenience Stores
Filipinos -> Nannies

 

[diehard]

lol



In Toronto:

Portuguese -> Gangs
Italians -> Mafia (Organized crime) monopoly on construction industry
Chinese -> Drugs (Organized crime)
EI/Koreans -> Convenience Stores
Filipinos -> Nannies

Chinese -> bad drivers
Egyptians Coptic -> IDA

 

[mister_t]

Its a shame that this is now in the Toronto history books. And about the racist comments everyones making... freedom of speech and thoughts... but what does it say when everyone thought the same exact thing???

 

[frankcastle]

Its a shame that this is now in the Toronto history books. And about the racist comments everyones making... freedom of speech and thoughts... but what does it say when everyone thought the same exact thing???

I'll admit that I assumed it was a black shooter because it was Toronto.

But for me the problem that I have is the assumptions that
1) what happens in the states is the same as Canada
2) what happens in Toronto is the same across Canada

 

[fuji]

Frank, Windsor is too small to have significant murder statistics, after that the stats you show are entirely consistent with violence being committed by blacks and natives.

The police blotter is data. It's just data that refutes your increasingly absurd claim that blacks and natives aren't responsible for most of the street violence.

In Toronto, where we live, there are few natives so here violence is a black problem.

You just don't want to face the truth.

 

[frankcastle]

Frank, Windsor is too small to have significant murder statistics, after that the stats you show are entirely consistent with violence being committed by blacks and natives.

The police blotter is data. It's just data that refutes your increasingly absurd claim that blacks and natives aren't responsible for most of the street violence.

In Toronto, where we live, there are few natives so here violence is a black problem.

You just don't want to face the truth.

Whoa whoa whoa

I put windsor there because those were the 5 "blackest" cities in Canada based on their percentage of the city's population. Those cities were arranged from highest to lowest black population. Yet their murder rates did not correlate. IF blacks were the ONLY problem then it would seem that the more blacks the more murders in those cities but the numbers fluctuated thus NO PATTERN.

So again I contend that Toronto has a problem with blacks and guns. Interesting BTW that you change your tune sometimes you insist it's about black shooters and when I try and bring in other crimes you say stop..... yet now you are saying street violence.

I don't have enough stats to make a conclusion on Aboriginals as my research focused on blacks.

The difference between me and you is that I wait till I see numbers whereas you just go with your gut.

The other difference is I seek out the truth you just make it up.

 

[frankcastle]

Frank, Windsor is too small to have significant murder statistics, after that the stats you show are entirely consistent with violence being committed by blacks and natives.

The police blotter is data. It's just data that refutes your increasingly absurd claim that blacks and natives aren't responsible for most of the street violence.

In Toronto, where we live, there are few natives so here violence is a black problem.

You just don't want to face the truth.

BTW your math must be shit because if you use "rates" it allows you to make comparisions between cities of different sizes.

 

[frankcastle]

Anyways, not interested in doing more research on aboriginal issues.

Not denying a problem with blacks or aboriginals BUT I disagree about the scope of black crime. Leave Toronto the connection between blacks and crime decreases.

You are so funny. You keep putting words in my mouth. What you and I are arguing about is not the existance of black crime. Rather we are arguing about how widespread it is.

When you focus down to cities since you complained that provinces were too big (NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT ALL MY STATS WERE BASED ON RATES TO ACCOUNT FOR DIFFERENCES IN POPULATION) you cannot show a connection between black populations and crime. No stat exists to show that more blacks in a city means more crime.

 

[fuji]

BTW your math must be shit because if you use "rates" it allows you to make comparisions between cities of different sizes.

I used the word "significant" for a reason. Look it up. A place like Windsor will jump to the top of the crime stats if it has three killings. In 2010 it had zero. "Rates" are meaningless there. You need a city large enough that it sees at least a couple dozen murders a year before you can get any sort of a sensible rate.

 

[fuji]

When you focus down to cities since you complained that provinces were too big

No I didn't. I pointed out that gang crime is an urban issue, so when you expanded your analysis to include small towns and provinces that have only small towns you invalided all your numbers. Perhaps it's just that a town has to be big enough to have two gangs before you can have a gang war. At any rate, in Canada, in the United States, all around the world, gang crime is something that happens primarily in urban centers.

 

[frankcastle]

MAybe you should just give up because without stats I will never agree with your opinions..... I prefer facts.

And to be clear so you can understand
1) yes blacks commit crimes
2) once you go outside of Toronto black crime problems are not widespread because once you go past the 5 blackest cities that I listed the black populations drop to below 2% pretty quickly with most cities having 1 point something or even less than 1 percent of the population.

 

[fuji]

MAybe you should just give up because without stats I will never agree with your opinions..... I prefer facts.

Do you say that smugly knowing that the black community lobbied to have the stats suppressed? You can think whatever you like. Anyone who might still be reading this can go and look at the police blotter and see just how little credibility you have in your statements. If anyone's still reading it, and you want them to respect you, you probably should acknowledge the very evident facts that are visible in the Toronto, Edmonton, Winnipeg police blotters.

 

[frankcastle]

I used the word "significant" for a reason. Look it up. A place like Windsor will jump to the top of the crime stats if it has three killings. In 2010 it had zero. "Rates" are meaningless there. You need a city large enough that it sees at least a couple dozen murders a year before you can get any sort of a sensible rate.

RATES even the playing field so that you don't need to worry about the size. Like it or not Windsor placed 5th for black population at 2.something which is why I used it. If you don't like that's not my problem. I'm not dropping stats for conviniance. I approached this unbiased which is why I used rates and far more research than anyone else talking in this thread.

 

[frankcastle]

No I didn't. I pointed out that gang crime is an urban issue, so when you expanded your analysis to include small towns and provinces that have only small towns you invalided all your numbers. Perhaps it's just that a town has to be big enough to have two gangs before you can have a gang war. At any rate, in Canada, in the United States, all around the world, gang crime is something that happens primarily in urban centers.

40% of Gang related murders happens in small cities so that's significant.