GTA puts a ban on plastic bags by 2013.
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Try reading the paper buddy. It was Ford's own allies that voted to ban plastic bags.
They should have deposits like glass bottles; a bit more dough in BottleDude's pocket and a much cleaner environment would result. The stingy would have that much more incentive to make their run to the Beer Store, and it might just result in fewer sales to begin with.
Wins all around. Except for Coke and the other guys filtering your tap water and selling it back to you more expensively than gasoline.
In fact it was David Shiner, a noted conservative Councillor and Lastman's former Budget chief who proposed it.
Retailers would still be able to 'give' you bags, TANSTAAFL. But not plastic bags. Keep your re-usable ones in the car, not in the house, and do as Europeans did for eons; carry a string or nylon bag that takes up no room.
We should recall it was the sainted Brian Mulroney, of blessed memory who pointed out the virtue of charging and noting separately on the bill the things we too easily imagine are free. Of course that was in the context of the GST, but the principle is good. When we had to pay 5¢ apiece we stopped littering the world with 'free' bags. Mighta worked just as well if clerks had always asked, although the 'are you nuts' looks woulda killed that fast.
But—speaking of TANSTAAFL—at least they ask about AirMiles. Now if they'd just print the cost on every bill …
Yeah, and Rob Ford was totally against it: http://www.thestar.com/news/article...or-rob-ford-says-it-s-the-people-s-fault?bn=1
That's why you have a plastic pail and bins. The bags are just bin-liners—and not actually needed at all—not carriers. And for the few cases where leaks matter, bags bought for the purpose will be stronger and much more certain to be leakproof.
Way cheaper too.
Also did city councillors take into account that many jobs will now be lost to this ban?? I dont know which company supplies plastic bags, but if its a local one they just lost a 3 million people demographic market
Biodegradable bags cost 15 cents a piece. Most people would on average use 4 to 5 bags a week. That means only 60 to 75 cents is added weekly to their grocery bill.
IMO thats the perfect solution. Both sides will be happy
IMO thats the perfect solution. Both sides will be happy
Exactly, they assume everyone drives a car and will be able to keep a cache of reusable bags along with some bins with handles at all times. They must all assume everyone in the city knows exactly what they are going to purchase that day and take the appropriate number of reusable bags with them as they leave for work in the morning, because nobody ever gets a call like "honey, can you pick up a few things on the way home"? Nobody ever does any spontaneous shopping either. Bunch of idiots down at City Hall.
Legislating manufacturers to reduce needless over-packaging is a far better idea to reduce the amount of waste going to the dump. That's probably a federal or provincial responsibility though.
It doesn't matter as much as you think if shopping bags are biodegradable because to decompose they need oxygen. Most of the stuff in landfills doesn't decompose because they're so deep and get covered with earth that nothing actually decomposes.
That's a great idea, have all the stores replace plastic bags with paper like the LCBO did. Talk about nobody doing the research. We bury trash that we don’t recycle in landfills, including plastic and paper bags.
Plastic bags are extremely compact. Plastic grocery bags and all plastic retail bags together only take up 0.4% of space in landfills, a tiny amount.
You can see this for yourself. Look inside your trash bin. All of that trash will be heading for the landfill. What percentage by weight and volume consists of plastic bags?
Paper bags are far bulkier than plastic take up far more space. Even though consumers choose plastic bags 4 out 5 times over paper, paper bags take up 1.0% of landfill space, more than twice as much as plastic bags.
If plastic bags are banned or subject to a fee, then the space taken up in landfills by paper bags will multiply. How is this a good idea?
Paper bags come from cutting down trees and are far more damaging to the environment due to the increase in resources used to manufacture and transport them.
I just answered that question.
That's what is going to happen or as you say, is already happening. The thing is, those bags are so thin they invariable go straight into the garbage instead of being reused as garbage bags.
These idiots really didn't think this through.
The real question in all the silliness is why the very effective nickle/bag was never directed to any useful purpose. It did solve a litter issue, and folks who always did bring their own are no longer subsidizing the 'double bag everything' idiots, but howcum no one figured out some worthy cause it could have gone to?
But I expect all those righteous righties to demand that paperbags be priced separately and only offered as a customer option, not something forced on everyone and paid by a universal tax in every price. It's the Right thing to do.
But I expect all those righteous righties to demand that paperbags be priced separately and only offered as a customer option, not something forced on everyone and paid by a universal tax in every price. It's the Right thing to do.
I just heard on the radio there's huge opposition to this by most Torontonians, so there's still a chance the bill might not go through
