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Bruins goalie Tim Thomas may sit out next season..

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Thomas is a $5 million cap hit but will only be paid $3 million.This is likely about money.

If he does sit out the year, Thomas would be 40 years old next year. Might be hard to get his game back.
 

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Unless this is due to an emergency, this would be a stupid move...

I don't know if it applies to goaltenders but the 400 games mark is an important one. It qualifies players for retirement funds. Thomas has so far played in 378 games. Players can qualify with 160 games but the benefits are significantly less.

However, if they also count post season games, then Thomas should already qualify...
 

jrobertson1

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I agree that this is a stupid decision, he reached the nhl so late in his career, and now he's considering taking a year off?

I dont think this will affect the bruins much, i think rask is better than him anyway. leafs were stupid not to hold onto him.
 

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Goaltending is pathetic in the NHL on several teams, Timmy will get lots of offers with his resume, how he'll do is another story.
 

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The more I read about and listen to Thomas the more respect I lose for him.
"That guy is an ungrateful tool" is something that comes up a lot in conversations about Thomas.
 

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Goaltending is pathetic in the NHL on several teams, Timmy will get lots of offers with his resume, how he'll do is another story.
Goltending definitely is pathetic on some teams (such as toronto), but I have a feeling that there are gonna be a lot of goalies available over the summer. There are tons of teams who have multiple #1 goalies, and alot of them may be traded to free up cap space. Look at teams like the blues (elliot, halak), bruins (thomas, rask, khudobin), canucks (luongo, schneider), kings (quick, bernier), rangers (lundqvist, biron), devils (brodeur, hedberg), predators (rinne, lindback), and capitals (hotlby, neuvirth, vokoun). All of these teams have 2+ goalies who have the potential to be top tier starters on any nhl team. With all these goalies may become available this offseason, I dont think many teams are going to try to go for a 38 year old nutjob. Plus, he's looking for a lot of money. He'll get offers, but not as many as people would think
 

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The more I read about and listen to Thomas the more respect I lose for him.
"That guy is an ungrateful tool" is something that comes up a lot in conversations about Thomas.
The more I read about TT, the more respect I have for him.

He didn't go to the White House, for reasons that were political in nature. His way of standing up for his beliefs.
He is willing to forego the 3 or 5 million dollars left on his contract. So the guy isn't all about money. He isn't holding the Bruins hostage, or anything else cynical in nature. I find him refreshing.
 

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The more I read about TT, the more respect I have for him.

He didn't go to the White House, for reasons that were political in nature. His way of standing up for his beliefs.
He is willing to forego the 3 or 5 million dollars left on his contract. So the guy isn't all about money. He isn't holding the Bruins hostage, or anything else cynical in nature. I find him refreshing.
He is willing to forego the 3 million (not 5) because he thinks he can get a bigger contract from another team. His contract was top heavy, he got most of his money in the first two years, now he is making less, which was part of the deal he agreed to. Now that he's making less money, he's trying to force the Bruins to get him out of his contract to go get a bigger contract from another team. This tool is 100% all about the money. And the the whole issue with the White House was ridiculous, he made a very public action against the current government, and yet he threw a temper tantrum when the media tried to ask him about it. He has put so much stress on the Bruins organization and their fans. I sincerely hope he never plays in the NHL again
 

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He is willing to forego the 3 million (not 5) because he thinks he can get a bigger contract from another team. His contract was top heavy, he got most of his money in the first two years, now he is making less, which was part of the deal he agreed to. Now that he's making less money, he's trying to force the Bruins to get him out of his contract to go get a bigger contract from another team. This tool is 100% all about the money. And the the whole issue with the White House was ridiculous, he made a very public action against the current government, and yet he threw a temper tantrum when the media tried to ask him about it. He has put so much stress on the Bruins organization and their fans. I sincerely hope he never plays in the NHL again
That "may" be true IF the Bruins had no reliable goalie to fall back on which is not the case. He took the time to consult with the GM and the GM does not seem to have a problem with that. If the GM had a problem, well read what Ottawa did to Yashin all those years ago and you'll understand why the thing you said about the money makes no sense. As for the White House, he had no obligation to go and it would have been hypocritical for him to go considering his stance. As for the temper tantrum, I do not recall one.
 

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As for the White House, he had no obligation to go and it would have been hypocritical for him to go considering his stance.
But it's not hypocritical for someone dedicated to being a good teammate to do something that takes away from the team and causes a distraction? A good teammate would have sucked it up, kept his mouth shut and get it over with.

It's a meaningless ritual nowadays and not at all political.
 

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That "may" be true IF the Bruins had no reliable goalie to fall back on which is not the case. He took the time to consult with the GM and the GM does not seem to have a problem with that. If the GM had a problem, well read what Ottawa did to Yashin all those years ago and you'll understand why the thing you said about the money makes no sense. As for the White House, he had no obligation to go and it would have been hypocritical for him to go considering his stance. As for the temper tantrum, I do not recall one.
Ottawa did nothing to Yashin, he refused to play for the team.

Yashin was the at fault party in that situation.
 

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But it's not hypocritical for someone dedicated to being a good teammate to do something that takes away from the team and causes a distraction? A good teammate would have sucked it up, kept his mouth shut and get it over with.
Going to the White House has nothing to do with hockey. Had this been a charity golf tournament and he did not attend, there would have been no issue. The only distraction is the distraction the media caused. You do not have to participate in all team activities to be a good teammate. Is it hypocritical for someone "dedicated to being a good teammate" not to attend a voluntary practice? He did not do anything and that's what people are complaining about. If you are strongly against, lets say, abortion and your team decide to hold a charity event for abortion, would you participate in the fund raising? Would you be a bad teammate if you refuse to "sucked it up, kept your mouth shut and get it over with"? Hypocrisy is doing or saying something that you do not believe in. I do not see any Hypocrisy in the decision not to go to the White House since it has nothing to do with hockey.

It's a meaningless ritual nowadays and not at all political.
That's according to you and some people. If Thomas and some other people do not believe so, who are you to question their point of view? (btw, I also believe that it's meaningless but, again, that's just my point of view.)
 

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Ottawa did nothing to Yashin, he refused to play for the team.

Yashin was the at fault party in that situation.

EXACTLY, Ottawa suspended him for the year and sued him claiming that he owed them another year at his current salary. Ottawa won their case. Hence, if the GM had a problem with Thomas decision, he can do much worse than inform the media that Thomas may take the year off, that the team understand and that they are prepared to go without him. Boston has an option in goal besides Thomas so there is no reason to believe that Thomas is holding out for money.
 

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And Bravo to the Ottawa Senators. They essentially put an end to players, under contract, holding out for more money. Now if the NHL can just do something about players under contract going to the KHL....

Technically, teams can use the Yashin precedence to suspend players who do so and argue that they still have to fulfill their current contract even though it's expired.
 

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That "may" be true IF the Bruins had no reliable goalie to fall back on which is not the case. He took the time to consult with the GM and the GM does not seem to have a problem with that. If the GM had a problem, well read what Ottawa did to Yashin all those years ago and you'll understand why the thing you said about the money makes no sense. As for the White House, he had no obligation to go and it would have been hypocritical for him to go considering his stance. As for the temper tantrum, I do not recall one.
As for the temper tantrum, i meant that he consistently refused to talk to the media. He stated that every time a reporter asks him about the white house incident, he would walk away from them. Skip to the end of this video, this is one of many interviews he ended abruptly when the white house stuff was brought up
http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/extras/bruins_blog/2012/04/tim_thomas_talk.html

He did have every right not to go to the White House. But he made a public announcement online (facebook i believe) about his reasons and strongly expressed his political opinions to the entire world. He cant expect people not to ask him about it, he's a public figure, the media is going to ask. He's stupid. Painfully stupid.

The fact that they have another good goalie is irrelevant. Thomas is their starting goalie, he signed a contract, and made a commitment to the boston bruins. The GM definitely had a problem with it, but he's not gonna go tell the media that. The GM doesn't want that kind of attention like Thomas does. The GM would rather stick with rask then renegotiate the contract of Thomas. Thomas knows this, so he's going to go to another team to get more money.

Thomas is a fucking embarrassment to the NHL, shouldn't be allowed to play for another team.
 

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I agree with all who say it is a bad move, especially at his age. His wife must have asked for a divorce or there must be an illness that is life threatening to make such a decision.
 

shack

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Going to the White House has nothing to do with hockey.
You may come up with as many alternate scenarios as you like but without question:

1)this was a team function that he declined to attend and

2)it proved to be a big distraction with all the resulting questioning and Thomas getting pissed off about the questioning.

Hence, my point stands. He created a distraction by not attending and as such it also created a controversy that (directly or indirectly) affected the team. He acted selfishly, putting his personal beliefs to the forefront, such that the team was adversely affected.
 

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You may come up with as many alternate scenarios as you like but without question:

1)this was a team function that he declined to attend and

2)it proved to be a big distraction with all the resulting questioning and Thomas getting pissed off about the questioning.

Hence, my point stands. He created a distraction by not attending and as such it also created a controversy that (directly or indirectly) affected the team. He acted selfishly, putting his personal beliefs to the forefront, such that the team was adversely affected.
Agreed, most people don't consider how stressful this was on the team. Every player was being bombarded by the media asking about what they thought about what thomas had done, it was a huge distraction during a very important part of the season. It was a selfish move by thomas, he never has the team's interests in mind
 

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I think it is also important to note - he does not play for the Bruins - he plays for the Boston Bruins. So he represented the city, and the NHL. The day was about more than just him and he diminshed the experience of the members of his team. At this point the Bruins can go forward with Rask and use his salary to fill a hole elsewhere.

There are times to make a political stand and sometimes you just have to suck it up for your employer. The off season is the perfect time to give interviews and write articles.
 
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