Toronto Star: Why Canadians pay more for everything compared to Americans

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Suppliers charge Canadian retailers more for the same products they sell to U.S. retailers and that is why Canadian consumers end up paying more – much more – a Senate committee was told Tuesday morning.

“Suggesting Canadian retailers are to blame for the difference in pricing is not only misleading and misinformed, it only acts to undermine the critically important relationships between Canadian retailers and their customers,” according to a report prepared by the Retail Council of Canada (RCC) and presented to the Senate Committee on National Finance.

The report was presented to by Diane Brisebois, the RCC’s CEO and president.

The Senate committee began its study into the reasons for price discrepancies of consumer products between Canada and the United States in October, following complaints from Canadian consumers tired of paying more in Canada for the same products sold in the U.S.

Retailers in Canada report that they are charged anywhere between 10-50 per cent more for identical products by the same suppliers, according to the RCC report.

The report gave examples of items sold by suppliers at different price points in Canada and the U.S.

Ibuprophen 200 mg, sells to U.S. retailers for $10.76 and to Canadian retailers for $18.29, a difference of 70 per cent. A bottle of Aspirin 81 mg low dose sells to U.S. retailers for $10.16, and to Canadian retailers for $21.78, a difference of 114 per cent.

Canadian retailers say their suppliers tell them they charge more because Canadians are used to paying more for products in Canada:mad:; that the higher prices subsidize the costs of maintaining offices and operations in Canada, and that the higher prices are necessary to compensate their Canadian distributors and wholesalers.

Brisebois said that while it is not the case for all suppliers and all products, the different prices charged by suppliers it is the largest contributing factor to the difference in prices between Canada and the United States in situations where it occurs.

The RCC also blamed outdated tariffs on finished goods like some clothes, pantyhose, wooden bedroom furniture, bed linens, towels and pillows.

The report also points out the recent increase in personal exemption limits for Canadians travelling outside the country will hurt Canadian retailers and ultimately, the Canadian economy.

Canadian residents made 5.2 million trips abroad in February, a 3.9 per cent increase from January. The majority of the trips – 4.4 million – were to the United States, a 4.5 per cent increase.

The main factor was an 8 per cent increase in same-day car travel by Canadians to the United States, to 2.6 million trips, the highest monthly level since December 1997.

The RCC also blamed supply management for the high prices for eggs, chicken, butter and milk in Canada, sending residents of border towns to the U.S. for groceries.

“It is the RCC’s position that the government should not favour one industry over another, in this case farmers over retailers, to the detriment of the latter,” according to the RCC report.

The report called books the “poster children” of the price differences in Canada versus the United States. The federal government’s own copyright regulations allow for a 10 per cent markup on U.S. sourced books and the tax has been collected by multinational book distributors since 1999.

The retail sector is the largest employer in Canada, providing jobs for more than 2 million Canadian and generating sales in excess of $300 billion dollars a year. It contributed $74.2 billion to Canada’s gross domestic product (GDP) in 2009.

The RCC represents more than 45,000 stores of all retail formats across Canada.

The report also pointed out that after an unexpectedly soft fall and holiday season in 2011, retailers anticipate sales growth of one to five per cent over the course of 2012. With inflation expected to be in the two-per cent range, the growth in the actual volume of sales would be minimal.
 

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While I'm sure it's frustrating I'm not sure it's fair to compare prices in the US to Canada, US prices are lower than every other country I've ever traveled to. I've even seen examples (in Japan for instance) where the same item, made in Japan is cheaper in the US than it is in Japan.

The US has incredibly efficient retailing, there have been studies done on the impact on prices for basic commodities (i.e.. tooth paste) when a Wallmart enters a market... prices go down 5-10% because the retailer has so much control over wholesale prices.....

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The US also has much larger markets so at 1/10 the size it shouldn't be a surprise that Canadians don't get the same volume discounts.
 

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While I'm sure it's frustrating I'm not sure it's fair to compare prices in the US to Canada, US prices are lower than every other country I've ever traveled to. I've even seen examples (in Japan for instance) where the same item, made in Japan is cheaper in the US than it is in Japan.

The US has incredibly efficient retailing, there have been studies done on the impact on prices for basic commodities (i.e.. tooth paste) when a Wallmart enters a market... prices go down 5-10% because the retailer has so much control over wholesale prices.....

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Partly correct.

The US is an extremly competative market, no doubt.

But explain to me how a Snowmobile made by Bombardier in Canada is cheaper to buy in USA than it is in Canada.

The other half truth would be that "the rest of the world" is subsidizing the US market. Manufacturers do not want to lose market share in the USA, so prices are held at rock bottom prices and jacked in the rest of the world to pay for it all.

Cars would be a great example.
 
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Well, maybe if Canadian reatilers were to push harder for lower wholesale prices we wouldn't be cross-border shopping. If Crappy Tire wants my business, they have to make it worth my while.
 

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yup... even though our dollar seems to be on par with the US dollars, I always wonder why are things such as books still a lot more expensive to buy out here? They always have a US price and CANadian price listed at the back. Another reason why I choose not to buy from book stores anymore. They just charge whatever price that is listed at the back whereas on sites like Amazon the price seems to be similar whether you buy it from the American or Canadian site.
 

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But explain to me how a Snowmobile made by Bombardier in Canada is cheaper to buy in USA than it is in Canada.
Ok, it's easy.

For every 1000 snowmobiles you buy, Bombardier gives you a 1% discount. Canadian company buys 5,000 so they get 5% discount. American company buys 50,000 so they get a 50% discount. Simple as pie.
 

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Ok, it's easy.

For every 1000 snowmobiles you buy, Bombardier gives you a 1% discount. Canadian company buys 5,000 so they get 5% discount. American company buys 50,000 so they get a 50% discount. Simple as pie.
I think I understand. Buy 100,000 and you get 100% discount. Thanks for explaining that.
 

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yup... even though our dollar seems to be on par with the US dollars, I always wonder why are things such as books still a lot more expensive to buy out here? They always have a US price and CANadian price listed at the back. Another reason why I choose not to buy from book stores anymore. They just charge whatever price that is listed at the back whereas on sites like Amazon the price seems to be similar whether you buy it from the American or Canadian site.
Books were specifically addressed in the article. Canada effectively has a markup tax on books published in the US. Not sure how that works under NAFTA, though it might be on the books (no pun intended) as a regulatory fee rather than a tax.

I think I understand. Buy 100,000 and you get 100% discount. Thanks for explaining that.
Keebler oversimplified, obviously, but he's right in a lot of cases. No wholesaler has an open-ended discount system like that, but an American retailer that sells 50,000 snowmobiles won't get a 50% discount but they might well get a 20% discount. Compared to the Canadian retailer that only gets a 5% discount, that's a pretty big difference.

Bigger markets have advantages. That's just reality.
 

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Keebler oversimplified, obviously, but he's right in a lot of cases. No wholesaler has an open-ended discount system like that, but an American retailer that sells 50,000 snowmobiles won't get a 50% discount but they might well get a 20% discount. Compared to the Canadian retailer that only gets a 5% discount, that's a pretty big difference.

Bigger markets have advantages. That's just reality.
I realize it was oversimplified and decided to have some fun with it.

However, the larger market/economies of scales argument falls down badly when specifically discussing snowmobiles. Granted the U.S. has a much larger population, however a huge portion of that market lives in areas where the need for snowmobiles is non-existent because it is too warm, whereas 100% of Canadians are in the market. The comparable sizes of the actual markets are probably quite close meaning the cost of the snowmobiles should be very close on both sides of the border.
 

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... whereas 100% of Canadians are in the market.
Oh, really? I beg to differ.

And the point seems to continue to elude you so I'll leave you to ponder it while the rest of the people reading this thread understand.
 

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I didn't read the entire thing, but the biggest thing for some areas. There are no income taxes in some states in the US. Florida and Texas are income tax free I believe. Look how much we pay for income taxes each year.
 

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From a retail perspective (I've been involved in three Canadian launches of US companies) the costs of doing business in Canada are significantly higher than in the US, and the business risks are greater. This is due largely to the differences in philosophy regarding business & labour regulation between the two countries.

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Books were specifically addressed in the article. Canada effectively has a markup tax on books published in the US. Not sure how that works under NAFTA, though it might be on the books (no pun intended) as a regulatory fee rather than a tax.



Keebler oversimplified, obviously, but he's right in a lot of cases. No wholesaler has an open-ended discount system like that, but an American retailer that sells 50,000 snowmobiles won't get a 50% discount but they might well get a 20% discount. Compared to the Canadian retailer that only gets a 5% discount, that's a pretty big difference.

Bigger markets have advantages. That's just reality.
Well, how many snowmobiles do you figure that they sell in Quebec vs. how many snowmobiles do you figure they sell in Vermont. Betcha they sell way more in Quebec.

I believe it's truly about market share and companies will do more to compete for market share in the USA than they will do in Canada.

Look at the price of cars for example:

Audi A4 base in the USA - starts at 32 grand.

http://models.audiusa.com/a4-sedan

Same car in Canada $38,000:

http://www.audi.ca/ca/brand/en/models/a4_sedan.html

Same car, same everything - yet 20% more.

Even the freight is almost double. How the fuck is that possible. They would come across the same ocean, on the same boat, and get on the same train. Canadians and Europeans, and Asians are paying to subsidize the American market. Getting back to the car example, it's all about the vaunted "American Market Share" which companies love to quote and it affects their stock price.
 
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I recently bought a Hugo Boss jacket from Nordstrom online. The total cost including shipping and taxes was almost $200 lower than the store at Yorkdale mall which claimed that HB products never go on sale (i think he forgot to add 'in Canada)
 
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