Group wants speed limit raised

[alexmst]

I say raise the limits on 400-series highways from 100 km/h to 140 km/h.

Non 400-series highways can increase from 80 km/h to 110 km/h.

Raise the 'racing' 1 week suspension threshold from 150 km/h to 190 km/h.

Put the fine for driving in the left lane on 400-series highways when not passing at $500.

 

[mb12ca]

Blackrock13, If they cared about people's wellbeing, they would reduce the size and scope of government. But, every year, the government takes more and gets bigger. How is bigger government better for the people?

 

[blackrock13]

Blackrock13, If they cared about people's wellbeing, they would reduce the size and scope of government. But, every year, the government takes more and gets bigger. How is bigger government better for the people?

Size and scope of the government has almost squat to do with safe speed limits, except the 1%ers of the population known as Libertarians.

 

[rld]

Blackrock13, If they cared about people's wellbeing, they would reduce the size and scope of government. But, every year, the government takes more and gets bigger. How is bigger government better for the people?

While this comment is pretty much totally unrelated to the topic at hand, and I know it is hard to believe that some people think differently than you do, there are people who think big government can be good for the people.

 

[mb12ca]

Yes, communist China under Mao's rule, as well as that under Stalin's was so good. The North Korean's are doing so well. And the British and Japanese aren't massively in debt either.

 

[mb12ca]

Size and scope of the government has almost squat to do with safe speed limits, except the 1%ers of the population known as Libertarians.

Libertarians respect everyone's free will. They are not part of the 1%. 1% are crony capitalists - huge difference. Obama, Harper, the Chinese leaders are part of the 1%.

 

[blackrock13]

Yes, communist China under Mao's rule, as well as that under Stalin's was so good. The North Korean's are doing so well. And the British and Japanese aren't massively in debt either.

Libertarians respect everyone's free will. They are not part of the 1%. 1% are crony capitalists - huge difference. Obama, Harper, the Chinese leaders are part of the 1%.

Yet the Scandinavian countries are doing better than m ost tof the world developed countries.


Wrong 1%er, the number of Libertarians in this country seldom go above 1% of the population in the various elections. Most want the government out of their life, except for the CPP, OAS, EI, and judicial system, then think individuals know how to do it better when most individuals haven't a clue how it works now.


Let's try and keep this thread on point.

 

[oldjones]

Our speed limits are a joke -- today's cars can safely go more than 100 km an hour on the highways…

They can go even faster flying through the air.

The question you should be supplying the answer to is: How safe are today's drivers at those speeds? IMHO they're not nearly safe enough at the limits we post, let alone at the limit we enforce—which is significantly over 110kph—so what's the benefit in changing? More customers for our under-utilized Emergency Rooms?

Or are the oil company shareholders hurting for profits again?

 

[hesitant]

I'd be fine with 120 strictly enforced.

I also seem to recall that fuel economy played a part in the setting of some speed limits. I know I get noticeably better millage at 105 than I do at 120.

everyone remember the tune "I can't drive 55"? That's because after the 70s fuel crisis the US lowered limits, it took decades to raise them. Now pressure is on for Ontario to do the same. However, remember the same people asking for higher speed limits are the same whiny pricks who demand the government bail them out of high fuel costs... cant have it both ways.

Currently Ontario has semi-official policy not to enforce speeding violations below 120, the result of which is no one drives 100 any longer and many people push 130 or higher.

 

[oldjones]

Yet the Scandinavian countries are doing better than m ost tof the world developed countries.


Wrong 1%er, the number of Libertarians in this country seldom go above 1% of the population in the various elections. Most want the government out of their life, except for the CPP, OAS, EI,

roads,
a monetary system,
roads,
weights and measures,
roads,
someone else to get shot protecting the borders,
roads,
someone else to catch thieves,
roads,
…

and judicial system, then think individuals know how to do it better when most individuals haven't a clue how it works now.


Let's try and keep this thread on point.

Roads are the oldest and most common example, world-wide, of successful communism at work. And there isn't a libertarian who would do without them. Or accept a tollbooth at the end of his driveway.

 

[blackrock13]

roads,
a monetary system,
roads,
weights and measures,
roads,
someone else to get shot protecting the borders,
roads,
someone else to catch thieves,
roads,
…

Roads are the oldest and most common example, world-wide, of successful communism at work. And there isn't a libertarian who would do without them. Or accept a tollbooth at the end of his driveway.

....and roads

 

[great bear]

I think speed limits on the 400 series should be increased to 120KPH, with the exception of Chinese drivers.

 

[whobee]

Our speed limits are a joke -- today's cars can safely go more than 100 km an hour on the highways…

They can go even faster flying through the air.
The question you should be supplying the answer to is: How safe are today's drivers at those speeds?

Well said.

 

[mb12ca]

Blackrock: Finland - 48% debt to gdp; Norway 49% debt to gdp, Denmark 47% debt to gdp. So, if you were making $80,000, but had close to $40,000 of debt and spent on credit most years (hence why they have accumulated debts), you would consider yourself successful? Are you stupid or dishonest?

 

[blackrock13]

Blackrock: Finland - 48% debt to gdp; Norway 49% debt to gdp, Denmark 47% debt to gdp. So, if you were making $80,000, but had close to $40,000 of debt and spent on credit most years (hence why they have accumulated debts), you would consider yourself successful? Are you stupid or dishonest?

Don't give up your day job. How does that compare to the US or Canada?

Now back to the thread.

 

[oldjones]

Blackrock: Finland - 48% debt to gdp; Norway 49% debt to gdp, Denmark 47% debt to gdp. So, if you were making $80,000, but had close to $40,000 of debt and spent on credit most years (hence why they have accumulated debts), you would consider yourself successful? Are you stupid or dishonest?

Gee whiz. My mortgage is paid off now, but back when I had one, my debt to income ratio was something like those Scandinavian ratios you mention, except running the other way, with the income (GDP) being about half the debt.

And here I thought I was reasonably successful in a modest lower middle way. But y'know there's lots out there like me. Guess we're doomed eh mb? Who knew?

 

[mb12ca]

House value - mortgage = equity in home. Much different than having national debt that is approaching the value of the total GDP of your economy. According to your logic, America isn't in a bad situation, even though they have an enormous debt load because many people in the U.S. own their own homes. Another dummy posting on this board. Tell me, if national debt isn't bad, why have budgets and try and restrain spending? Why not just spend an unlimited amount?

 

[mb12ca]

Blackrock: Who cares how it compares to the U.S. or Canada. If you smoke 1 pack a day, but your friend smokes 2 packs, are you considered to be living a healthy lifestyle. Idiot.

 

[blackrock13]

Blackrock: Who cares how it compares to the U.S. or Canada. If you smoke 1 pack a day, but your friend smokes 2 packs, are you considered to be living a healthy lifestyle. Idiot.

Of course it matters. 48% sounds terrible, but if you can't compare it to someone else it's a useless figure. I gather you couldn't find a favourable figure that supports your point or you would have posted it. The Fins seem to be handling 48% very well as they are happy as hell and have one of best quality of life ratings in the world. They can have a high debt ratio and still live well because so much else is paid by the government and don't have to spend on education and health care.

Now back to the thread. if you want to continue this start your own idiot thread.

 

[oldjones]

House value - mortgage = equity in home. Much different than having national debt that is approaching the value of the total GDP of your economy. According to your logic, America isn't in a bad situation, even though they have an enormous debt load because many people in the U.S. own their own homes. Another dummy posting on this board. Tell me, if national debt isn't bad, why have budgets and try and restrain spending? Why not just spend an unlimited amount?

You were the one who made the analogy with personal income and debt. Sorry I responded to that dummy post. I assume that you'd like us to ignore the huge hyperbole of the 40% debts you mentioned now being equated with "…approaching the value of the total GDP of your economy". Not the way 40% works in my universe. Apparently in your alternate one my response to your point about personal income and debt has become a pronouncement on American home ownership as an indicator. Let me reassure you, in these difficult times, I would never say any such thing as it's all too clear no one knows if any average Americans actually own any houses.

But your subject change, I could get into—far from the topic though it is—just what spending are you proposing to cut? Because mostly what we hear and see, in Ottawa, at City Hall and in Washington, is pols trying to cut taxes, not spending. And of course raising speed limits would increase government expenses as well as make us taxpayers even less able to pay for them. You do realize paying for expenses as you go—taxes we call them—rather than borrowing is the most sensible, economical way to go?

Or do you want to abandon the topic entirely?