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blackrock13

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I am not following you. How has the queen shown these things and that they "can make good"?

How many of her speeches, public discussions, or interviews (very rarely done) have you listened to. Considering how long she's been in the public eye they are endless and very difficult to pick individual examples. How many times have you read bad press about her from anywhere. The few times I've seen her do a walk about she handles them like a pro, not embarrassing anyone, treating everyone she speak to as if they matter and yet not taking any guff from anyone. The lack of bad press, no large scale successful attempt to overthrow her (rebellion if you wish) or make her abdicate, the massive uproar of 70-100 organized malcontents aside, and the fact that the majority still support this monarchy in Britain, tells you she's been good at it.

Her husband's a twit, her sons are good and bad, not perfect by a long shot, and her grandchildren are just making their mark, but the people of Britain and the Commonwealth in large part still support her.
 

wigglee

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What brave stand has she ever taken? Has she rallied to support gay rights? Women's rights? Aboriginal rights? The environment? Sure, she may utter an encouraging word about beating cancer or fitness, but really..................she is just a fake smile and a slowly waving hand. So, Blackcock, enjoy your Royal tea cosy and the commemorative Diamond jubilee spoon, but realize it has nothing to do with reality.
 

red

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How many of her speeches, public discussions, or interviews (very rarely done) have you listened to. Considering how long she's been in the public eye they are endless and very difficult to pick individual examples. How many times have you read bad press about her from anywhere. The few times I've seen her do a walk about she handles them like a pro, not embarrassing anyone, treating everyone she speak to as if they matter and yet not taking any guff from anyone. The lack of bad press, no large scale successful attempt to overthrow her (rebellion if you wish) or make her abdicate, the massive uproar of 70-100 organized malcontents aside, and the fact that the majority still support this monarchy in Britain, tells you she's been good at it.

Her husband's a twit, her sons are good and bad, not perfect by a long shot, and her grandchildren are just making their mark, but the people of Britain and the Commonwealth in large part still support her.
i have tried to listen to her speeches but they are content free and full of platitudes- but this isn't about what i think, but why you are enamored with her.

is her not getting bad press inspiring? not doing anything embarassing- an inspiration?
 

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Canada: let us once and for all declare our independence! Sever the royal embillical cord now!!
 

blackrock13

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i have tried to listen to her speeches but they are content free and full of platitudes- but this isn't about what i think, but why you are enamored with her.

is her not getting bad press inspiring? not doing anything embarassing- an inspiration?
It's a definite skill. In a time where a 24 hour cycle has everyone looking for a sound bite or snapshot, that's hard to do.

She set her style up during the war years, when she wasn't in the limelight, where she did amazing things out of the ordinary, much like her Queen mother. Read up on her a bit.
 

red

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It's a definite skill. In a time where a 24 hour cycle has everyone looking for a sound bite or snapshot, that's hard to do.

She set her style up during the war years, when she wasn't in the limelight, where she did amazing things out of the ordinary, much like her Queen mother. Read up on her a bit.
my friend- help me out. what did she do that was "out of the ordinary". give me some of her inspiring quotes or actions.
 

blackrock13

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my friend- help me out. what did she do that was "out of the ordinary". give me some of her inspiring quotes or actions.
i'm not sure where to start. http://www.nndb.com/people/174/000023105/

At 16, as World War II raged, she asked her father if she could serve as a volunteer nurse in bombed-damaged London, but he thought it was too dangerous. She persisted in asking, and when she was 18 he allowed her to volunteer with the Auxiliary Territorial Service, where she was trained to drive and repair heavy transport vehicles, although she was not allowed to do much of the actual driving and repair work.

That's a start and clearly show her thinking. not something that person of status and privilege would do. It would be hard to list what individual acts inspired me as the chances are they would do the same for others.

I'm not going to hand feed you a long listing of the history of the queen but feel free. You could try and look up her speech on Diana's death. Not one of her favorite people, but she did speak the truth it was considered one of her best.

From;http://www.platform10.org/2012/01/top-five-speeches-of-2011/

Let’s be honest. This has not been a great year for British political speeches. It is of course unfair of me to expect every year to produce the equivalent of “I have a dream” or “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself” but we are living through a time of political, economic and social flux. Such a situation is crying out for a big leader and the big idea to fill the void created by so much uncertainty. The way that politicians communicate has rightly evolved, following on the coattails of technological advances and consumer habits, but the set-piece speech is still an important tool for politicaldefinition. Here is hoping that 2012 will contain a speech that makes me understand the now and inspires me to follow the right path into the future.
The best speech of the year was delivered by Queen Elizabeth II at Dublin Castle. When one listens to the Queen you are usually aware that you are witnessing a ‘process’, listening to the words of an institution rather than a person. Elizabeth II’s interpretation of the monarchy is to embrace formality at the expense of any emotional engagement. The Dublin Castle speech was different. As I wrote at the time:
“The history between our two nations is a personal one. The Royal Family’s history is our history. Elizabeth II’s ancestors once viewed County Mayo as theirs, the Queen has lost loved ones at the hands of dissident republicans. This all made the words spoken at Dublin Castle – and the rest of the visit – so much more impactful than if it had been conducted by a politically elected president.”

A full copy here;

''A hUachtarain agus a chairde (President and friends).

Madam President, Prince Philip and I are delighted to be here, and to experience at first hand Ireland’s world-famous hospitality.

Together we have much to celebrate: the ties between our people, the shared values, and the economic, business and cultural links that make us so much more than just neighbours, that make us firm friends and equal partners.

Madam President, speaking here in Dublin Castle it is impossible to ignore the weight of history, as it was yesterday when you and I laid wreaths at the Garden of Remembrance.

Indeed, so much of this visit reminds us of the complexity of our history, its many layers and traditions, but also the importance of forbearance and conciliation. Of being able to bow to the past, but not be bound by it.

Of course, the relationship has not always been straightforward; nor has the record over the centuries been entirely benign. It is a sad and regrettable reality that through history our islands have experienced more than their fair share of heartache, turbulence and loss.
These events have touched us all, many of us personally, and are a painful legacy. We can never forget those who have died or been injured, and their families. To all those who have suffered as a consequence of our troubled past I extend my sincere thoughts and deep sympathy. With the benefit of historical hindsight we can all see things which we would wish had been done differently or not at all.
But it is also true that no-one who looked to the future over the past centuries could have imagined the strength of the bonds that are now in place between the governments and the people of our two nations, the spirit of partnership that we now enjoy, and the lasting rapport between us. No-one here this evening could doubt that heartfelt desire of our two nations.
Madam President, you have done a great deal to promote this understanding and reconciliation. You set out to build bridges. And I have seen at first hand your success in bringing together different communities and traditions on this island.
You have also shed new light on the sacrifice of those who served in the First World War. Even as we jointly opened the Messines Peace Park in 1998, it was difficult to look ahead to the time when you and I would be standing together at Islandbridge as we were today.
That transformation is also evident in the establishment of a successful power-sharing executive in Northern Ireland. A knot of history that was painstakingly loosened by the British and Irish Governments together with the strength, vision and determination of the political parties in Northern Ireland.
What were once only hopes for the future have now come to pass; it is almost exactly 13 years since the overwhelming majority of people in Ireland and Northern Ireland voted in favour of the agreement signed on Good Friday 1998, paving the way for Northern Ireland to become the exciting and inspirational place that it is today.
I applaud the work of all those involved in the peace process, and of all those who support and nurture peace, including members of the police, the gardai, and the other emergency services, and those who work in the communities, the churches and charitable bodies like Co-operation Ireland.
Taken together, their work not only serves as a basis for reconciliation between our people and communities, but it gives hope to other peacemakers across the world that through sustained effort, peace can and will prevail.
For the world moves on quickly. The challenges of the past have been replaced by new economic challenges which will demand the same imagination and courage.
The lessons from the peace process are clear; whatever life throws at us, our individual responses will be all the stronger for working together and sharing the load.
There are other stories written daily across these islands which do not find their voice in solemn pages of history books, or newspaper headlines, but which are at the heart of our shared narrative. Many British families have members who live in this country, as many Irish families have close relatives in the United Kingdom.
These families share the two islands; they have visited each other and have come home to each other over the years. They are the ordinary people who yearned for the peace and understanding we now have between our two nations and between the communities within those two nations; a living testament to how much in common we have.
These ties of family, friendship and affection are our most precious resource. They are the lifeblood of the partnership across these islands, a golden thread that runs through all our joint successes so far, and all we will go on to achieve.
They are a reminder that we have much to do together to build a future for all our grandchildren: the kind of future our grandparents could only dream of.
So we celebrate together the widespread spirit of goodwill and deep mutual understanding that has served to make the relationship more harmonious, close as good neighbours should always be.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-in-Ireland-Dublin-Castle-speech-in-full.html



A very well put message to a tough crowd. You'll be hard pressed to find rebuttals from Republican, Irish or English alike.

How about her latest speech to the UN? You'll notice very few seats in the room.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/294379-1

 

blackrock13

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Page #3, holy fuck, so you did have to search for it.

Then you go to the page and past the pictures of famous people, babes, gays, lots of trannies and bearded queens you find this. then you go to the page it was drawn from and find nothing. so i wonder if it's a real photo or photoshoped, considering the bearded, fanged or mustached Queen, to show some idiots idea of the queen.

Like I said you really had to search for it. It didn't just pop up, another lie, but hey. I hear the sounds of a two step coming on from Rubbie.
 

red

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Wow, she volunteered to be a volunteer nurse, but instead was trained to repair and drive truck... but didn't do any of it?
i was thinking the same- there were plenty of women who did drive trucks, patch the wounded, parachuted into occupied europe- they did dangerous jobs- they are inspiring.
 

danmand

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Aardie and Blackie do not realize it, but they are not doing Elizabeth any favours by pretending that she is an enormously influential person, which she is not. In reality, she is losing out big time, by leading a meaningless life full of big hats and her silly wave to the commoners. We have no quarrel with the person inside this carricature that is the Queen, it is the institution that is deeply offensive. The adulation and deference to the Queen demeans all the wonderful british people who make a real contributions to society.

By all accounts she is an intelligent and capable person, who could have had a meaningful career of her own, in banking or car repair, whatever her fancy would have been. I have at a couple of occasions met the danish Queen, and she is also a talented person, who have more than dabled in visual arts, and could have had a great life as an artist, instead of her meaningless visits to nursing schools and computer centres.
 

FatOne

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Regardless of whether you like and admire the Queen or think she is a useless figurehead do any of you think that holding your breath and stamping your feet like you have been doing for at least 3 or 4 pages now is actually accomplishing anything in furthering your beliefs?
I think I can explain that for you




However for this thread, rather suitable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stine-lacks-education-says-David-Starkey.html

The Queen is a philistine who lacks an education, says David Starkey

David Starkey, an expert on the British monarchy, has reportedly accused the head of state of being a philistine and being poorly educated.

The historian, well-known for his controversial views, claimed in an interview with The Guardian that she is largely uninterested in her predecessors and is only interested in her own reign and how she appears to the public.

When Starkey was showing the Queen round an exhibition he had curated about Elizabeth I in 2003, he claims he found her more occupied with the fact her gin and Dubonnet arrived late, than the works on display. He suggests that her only comment on the exhibition was on one of the objects which was hers.

He said: "She'd looked after them, she'd put in place much better arrangements for their care, but again - I suppose it's this absence of any kind of, to be blunt, serious education."

Referring to her Christmas broadcasts, all of which he has seen, he said: "It's quite fascinating, because her frames of reference to the monarchy, despite this 1,500-year history, are entirely her father and grandfather.
 

red

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i'm not sure where to start. http://www.nndb.com/people/174/000023105/

At 16, as World War II raged, she asked her father if she could serve as a volunteer nurse in bombed-damaged London, but he thought it was too dangerous. She persisted in asking, and when she was 18 he allowed her to volunteer with the Auxiliary Territorial Service, where she was trained to drive and repair heavy transport vehicles, although she was not allowed to do much of the actual driving and repair work.

That's a start and clearly show her thinking. not something that person of status and privilege would do. It would be hard to list what individual acts inspired me as the chances are they would do the same for others.

I'm not going to hand feed you a long listing of the history of the queen but feel free. You could try and look up her speech on Diana's death. Not one of her favorite people, but she did speak the truth it was considered one of her best.

From;http://www.platform10.org/2012/01/top-five-speeches-of-2011/

Let’s be honest. This has not been a great year for British political speeches. It is of course unfair of me to expect every year to produce the equivalent of “I have a dream” or “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself” but we are living through a time of political, economic and social flux. Such a situation is crying out for a big leader and the big idea to fill the void created by so much uncertainty. The way that politicians communicate has rightly evolved, following on the coattails of technological advances and consumer habits, but the set-piece speech is still an important tool for politicaldefinition. Here is hoping that 2012 will contain a speech that makes me understand the now and inspires me to follow the right path into the future.
The best speech of the year was delivered by Queen Elizabeth II at Dublin Castle. When one listens to the Queen you are usually aware that you are witnessing a ‘process’, listening to the words of an institution rather than a person. Elizabeth II’s interpretation of the monarchy is to embrace formality at the expense of any emotional engagement. The Dublin Castle speech was different. As I wrote at the time:
“The history between our two nations is a personal one. The Royal Family’s history is our history. Elizabeth II’s ancestors once viewed County Mayo as theirs, the Queen has lost loved ones at the hands of dissident republicans. This all made the words spoken at Dublin Castle – and the rest of the visit – so much more impactful than if it had been conducted by a politically elected president.”

A full copy here;

''A hUachtarain agus a chairde (President and friends).

Madam President, Prince Philip and I are delighted to be here, and to experience at first hand Ireland’s world-famous hospitality.

Together we have much to celebrate: the ties between our people, the shared values, and the economic, business and cultural links that make us so much more than just neighbours, that make us firm friends and equal partners.

Madam President, speaking here in Dublin Castle it is impossible to ignore the weight of history, as it was yesterday when you and I laid wreaths at the Garden of Remembrance.

Indeed, so much of this visit reminds us of the complexity of our history, its many layers and traditions, but also the importance of forbearance and conciliation. Of being able to bow to the past, but not be bound by it.

Of course, the relationship has not always been straightforward; nor has the record over the centuries been entirely benign. It is a sad and regrettable reality that through history our islands have experienced more than their fair share of heartache, turbulence and loss.
These events have touched us all, many of us personally, and are a painful legacy. We can never forget those who have died or been injured, and their families. To all those who have suffered as a consequence of our troubled past I extend my sincere thoughts and deep sympathy. With the benefit of historical hindsight we can all see things which we would wish had been done differently or not at all.
But it is also true that no-one who looked to the future over the past centuries could have imagined the strength of the bonds that are now in place between the governments and the people of our two nations, the spirit of partnership that we now enjoy, and the lasting rapport between us. No-one here this evening could doubt that heartfelt desire of our two nations.
Madam President, you have done a great deal to promote this understanding and reconciliation. You set out to build bridges. And I have seen at first hand your success in bringing together different communities and traditions on this island.
You have also shed new light on the sacrifice of those who served in the First World War. Even as we jointly opened the Messines Peace Park in 1998, it was difficult to look ahead to the time when you and I would be standing together at Islandbridge as we were today.
That transformation is also evident in the establishment of a successful power-sharing executive in Northern Ireland. A knot of history that was painstakingly loosened by the British and Irish Governments together with the strength, vision and determination of the political parties in Northern Ireland.
What were once only hopes for the future have now come to pass; it is almost exactly 13 years since the overwhelming majority of people in Ireland and Northern Ireland voted in favour of the agreement signed on Good Friday 1998, paving the way for Northern Ireland to become the exciting and inspirational place that it is today.
I applaud the work of all those involved in the peace process, and of all those who support and nurture peace, including members of the police, the gardai, and the other emergency services, and those who work in the communities, the churches and charitable bodies like Co-operation Ireland.
Taken together, their work not only serves as a basis for reconciliation between our people and communities, but it gives hope to other peacemakers across the world that through sustained effort, peace can and will prevail.
For the world moves on quickly. The challenges of the past have been replaced by new economic challenges which will demand the same imagination and courage.
The lessons from the peace process are clear; whatever life throws at us, our individual responses will be all the stronger for working together and sharing the load.
There are other stories written daily across these islands which do not find their voice in solemn pages of history books, or newspaper headlines, but which are at the heart of our shared narrative. Many British families have members who live in this country, as many Irish families have close relatives in the United Kingdom.
These families share the two islands; they have visited each other and have come home to each other over the years. They are the ordinary people who yearned for the peace and understanding we now have between our two nations and between the communities within those two nations; a living testament to how much in common we have.
These ties of family, friendship and affection are our most precious resource. They are the lifeblood of the partnership across these islands, a golden thread that runs through all our joint successes so far, and all we will go on to achieve.
They are a reminder that we have much to do together to build a future for all our grandchildren: the kind of future our grandparents could only dream of.
So we celebrate together the widespread spirit of goodwill and deep mutual understanding that has served to make the relationship more harmonious, close as good neighbours should always be.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-in-Ireland-Dublin-Castle-speech-in-full.html



A very well put message to a tough crowd. You'll be hard pressed to find rebuttals from Republican, Irish or English alike.

How about her latest speech to the UN? You'll notice very few seats in the room.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/294379-1


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FatOne

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Maybe I should post 40 or 50 times on the queen. Then I can also be super cool guy winner like blackrock.



Although I suppose by the end of the thread his post count should hit 3 digits. Sigh, I guess I will never be as special.


BTW am I remember this wrong, or didn't a certain person claim not to be obsessed with the queen. I could go back and look, but I guess I don't have the drive to win the special Olympics. I guess I will never be super cool guy until I keep a terb diary like some people seem to expect.
 

Aardvark154

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Aardie and Blackie do not realize it. . . . . .
You really should read more about how Prime Ministers regard "the right to be consulted, the right to encourage, the right to warn" and how valuable they have found it to be. That you don't believe it counts for much is sad given how valuable they believe it to be.

You may believe visits by the queen and members of the Royal Family are meaningless, but to those on the receiving end they are quite meaningful. Further one would have thought from your experiences in South Africa and the U.S.A. you would have seen how utterly different a visit from the Sovereign is from a Presidential visit, having been involved with both, the number of those like yourself who are turned off by meeting the Queen is a great deal less than those (typically close to half the population), who actively oppose the President.
 

blackrock13

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Maybe I should post 40 or 50 times on the queen. Then I can also be super cool guy winner like blackrock.



Although I suppose by the end of the thread his post count should hit 3 digits. Sigh, I guess I will never be as special.


BTW am I remember this wrong, or didn't a certain person claim not to be obsessed with the queen. I could go back and look, but I guess I don't have the drive to win the special Olympics.
What I don't like is people posting shite and lies about things, showing they know so little and not backing it up. I guess Rubbie missed this family photo the last time through his album. Glad to see you had a copy. He owes you big time.
 
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