So now you're trying to rewrite a few thousand years of native cultural practices and government to be more like the white man's way of doing things. We wonder why there's problems.
Attawapiskat, The Conservative Governments Response To This Emergency......
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Not touching the cultural practices at all , those responsibilities would still be that of the chiefs , but there are obviously some administrative issues happening here, let an elected leader and council deal with those.
You're telling them how to select their leaders, yes you are.
There are people who are elected/hired from within to take on administration duties, oddly enough called band administrators or managers. In the native societies the elders hold a position of responsibilities and knowledge that is hard to explain to modern societies. They are often the clue that hold the community together through the respect of time and experience, connect the past with the future, or act as the body of sober second thought. In the larger groups there assistant/second/junior/sub chiefs, elected or chosen, who act as backups for the grand chief in his duties.
hold on now. you're suggesting they adopt the best method of attaining wealth and freedom for the most people that has ever existed! sacrilege. perhaps even add a little common law? no way.
Again, huh?
It would be nice if you answer my question in post #101 first before you prattle on about something you know so little about.
Do you know relic?
Of course they cannot go back, we destroyed that possibility long ago, promising all kinds of benefits along the way, then welched. But let's be properly humble for once instead of talking from our usual deaf smugness and listen to the people who live ther, and know the problem. They can tell us for a lot less that $1300 a day.
Sorry about that second paragraph; the contention that a point was made about incompetence because the Chief was paid more than the PM was so ludicrous I lost my thread. Why shouldn't she be? because she has to beg AA or DINA before that for every pittance? That's the part that should be changed. The only people who have never demonstrated any ability to understand and correct the problems of aboriginal people are the bureaucrats we keep hiring. The mistake we keep making is telling the people how to do what they once were very, very good at. Time for us to shut up and listen.
And of course that's quite likely to cost more, we'll still come out on the winning side of the deal. Nothing could be more expensive than the repeated failures we've dumped on the north so far.
Housing is only the current focus. Even snug, warm and healthy in a home of your own, if you cannot see what place there is for you in your world to work meaningfully for yourself and your loved ones then you will have many problems to endure, overcome, or succumb to. But you fix first what you can first. Not that Ottawa has shown any fixing ability yet‚ but as you have pointed out there's no shortage of better houses than they've invented at Tunney's Pasture. High time we gave them the best, not the cheapest, and stayed out of their affairs. Although they've shown no stomach for it or success so far, let's have the swivel servants stop telling the locals what to do, and stick to what they do all over the rest of the country. Pay the bills and audit the processes.
Not wait for the next CBC exposé.
You are forgiven, this time, but don't do it again.
Not wanting to put all the blame on Ottawa, although I've made that clear in a previous post in this thread and to show that some of the responsibility falls on the shoulders of the provincial government of the day, look across the water to the Quebec side and communities like Wapanoutauw, Waskaganish, Chisasibi, and Wamindji (try to say that three times fast). They had similar problems not that long ago and the local chiefs, the local MLA members and the provincial governments, spent years developing a plan to develop the area to the benefit of the locals, the province, and the investing companies, having more of the royalties from the development going back into the communities, not like Ontario with the larger chunk going into Southern Ontario and it's much larger voter base.
Sure they were. It's been a going rate the last few times they did the same thing. The intervention can cost on average $150,000 a year but $300 to $400 G's is not out of the question, especially when you remember the band has to cover the expenses above the day rate as well. The last time they did this in Gull Bay, north of Thunder Bay, they're still there after 9 years and haven't found much waste to eliminate or irregularities and the Band isnow ~$4 million in debt instead the original ~$2 million. Nice money generator for AA.
Now how about backing up your other rants, or do we simply file them in the round file with the rest of the nonsense.
After offering a token 15 residences for the community even though everyone there said they needed at least 22 NOW. Ottawa has promised to send the needed home, but because of the ice conditions, they still can't be there until January or February. Let's hope they don't have a mild winter, or it won't ever happen. Proof again Ottawa doesn't have a clue what do or cares to.
On a couple of occasions I've mentioned that the bungalows can cost $400,000 to build. I was told today that the home being are the transportable prefabs that will cost about $250,000. Think double wide construction huts with a peaked roof
On a couple of occasions I've mentioned that the bungalows can cost $400,000 to build. I was told today that the home being are the transportable prefabs that will cost about $250,000. Think double wide construction huts with a peaked roof
You really don't need a "high level consultant"
All you need is a kid out of university with about 5 years experience who can put together a system for tracking costs.
Safe to say that there is no such person on this reservation and never will be.
They can send a kid out school up there who thinks that it will be an adventure (and maybe it will be) and he will do more in 6 months to straighten that place out than all the natives combined have done in 60 years.
The only problem will be that the natives won't let him do his job because they don't want the government to kow where the money is going and his very safety may be in peril.
Considering the Attawapiskat band has offered many times to open their books for an audit. someone must think otherwise. As for where there's smoke there's fire, remember the earlier mentioned Gull Bay. The Government is still there trying to find the problems after how may years, simply to try and justify their actions and the band has almost doubled its debt load.
The tales continues;
Yesterday the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs said that the Chief asked for the 3rd party administration help, the Chief said she didn't.
Today the Minister says well maybe they didn't ask, but the administrator is staying. Freakin' bare face liars. These are the people who some Conservative supporters defend, although they've been amazingly quiet in this thread. AA has been caught lying and their reply is, so what. I understand the UN is being asked investigate and hi-light it on the world state what is going out.
Yesterday the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs said that the Chief asked for the 3rd party administration help, the Chief said she didn't.
Today the Minister says well maybe they didn't ask, but the administrator is staying. Freakin' bare face liars. These are the people who some Conservative supporters defend, although they've been amazingly quiet in this thread. AA has been caught lying and their reply is, so what. I understand the UN is being asked investigate and hi-light it on the world state what is going out.
you just LOVE it when people are "catchin" people dont you. Your always trying to catch people too..it's like some sort of orgasmic rush. you simpleminded little fuck
Ahh! the closely-reasoned logic of a complex thinker summed up in a single, final word. How persuasive!
Try not spending as much time in front of the bathroom mirror and thinking so much. Exactly what part of my post is wrong?
If that's all that was needed, why wasn't it done six years ago, and every year since? And why did the government commit to a $1300 a day consultant instead?
If that's all that was needed.
There may well be misappropriation, but since the feds seem to have only just now thought of the idea of an auditor for their much ballyhooed $90,000,000 no one can say. Not even wise folks like you, unless you've got personal experience you haven't shared yet.
The one thing that should be clear to all is that spread over six years and divided among 2300 folks, $90,000,000 doesn't buy bvery much at all in the way of municipal-type services, like sanitation and water, let alone provide for anything significant in the way of housing maintenence, or services like heat and hydro.
Ooops I forgot. No hydro, diesel generators, and not running on locally-harvested bio-diesel neither.
I'm quite sure the residents were the authors of many of their own misfortunes, but I am equally sure the feds did as little as they could get away with in terms of keeping the community out of trouble or helping them secure a better future. The fact they decided they had to hire their third-party manager—without consulting the people—simply to find out what's going on speaks volumes.
Don't we pay them to know?
Sheila Fraser in three reports, 2003, 2006, and 2008, that the third party administrator system does not work. Apparently Gull bay is proof of that. Does anyone in the government know how to read?
Apparently WWG is stuck for an answer or can't find his queue cards. another attempt at a flame and run for cover.
