The end of the Canadian Wheat Board
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oldguy490, we both know what it is like to farm and we further understand the market. The idiot that is debating us has never set foot on a farm and is just a troll. You can see by his answers that he obviously has no clue about the issue. At the end of the day we have won the debate with the demise of the CWB monopoly. Do yourself a favor and simply ignore the simpleton.First of all, there are no price premiums. The CWB is not capable of extracting premiums from the market place. In the last few months durum wheat has been returning around eleven dollars per bushel in North Dakota and Montana. Farmers in western Canada are getting just over four dollars Canadian for the same or maybe even better quality durum. Of course we have the promise of getting some more money later but we don't know how much or when it will come. It won't be enough to make up the difference between four dollars and eleven. Where's the price premium in that? To my knowledge durum wheat is not grown in Ontario and because the CWB system is prohibitive to processing on the prairies all most all of the durum is exported, then processed in to pasta products and imported back into Canada for use here. Pasta processing plants are already being planned for the prairies and filling that market will have no impact on Ontairio farmers.
Here are some goofs by Relic:
You ran away from all these points and never bothered trying to reply because you are just a blowhard.
Then you come back and say you won the debate??? When ALL of your points were wrong, and you were unable to reply to ANY criticisms?
You are pathetic, like a Republican version of Groggy or something.
Turned out to be false. Eastern Canada produces only a tiny fraction of the grain produced in the West.Relic said:To answer your question yes, there are some huge grain producers in Eastern Canada (who incidentally have been very successful without the CWB).
Not only is this wrong, but it is both explicitly and implicitly wrong. For starters, the CWB is not run by the government, so no experts would be saying this.Relic said:Most experts agree however that the government run CWB will never be able to compete on the free market.
Whereas in reality the US is a net exporter of grain and not a significant export market. You would have to be pants on head stupid not to realize that we primarily sell to countries that are net importers of wheat.Relic said:The ending of the CWB will allow the farmers to sell to one of the biggest markets in the world, namely the USA.
In fact the CWB represents 20% of the world export market in wheat, and its policies directly impact global wheat pricing. Yes, China can go and deal with the other 80% but control over 20% of the supply is sufficient to set prices, whereas Ontario farmers are price takers.Relic said:Lets say that China wants a few containers of wheat. Are they forced to buy the wheat from the CWB? Of course not, they can buy wheat from thousands of brokers around the world.
You ran away from all these points and never bothered trying to reply because you are just a blowhard.
Then you come back and say you won the debate??? When ALL of your points were wrong, and you were unable to reply to ANY criticisms?
You are pathetic, like a Republican version of Groggy or something.
Fuji, I am surprised that you would know about the CWB and their policys and how they impact golbal wheat pricing. The CWB is probably the most secretive entity in Canada and does not share their pricing information with anyone. Not the auditor general, not the prime minister, not the minister of agriculture, not the farmers who actually own the grain, no one. Except you I guess. As far as world prices not being avalible in Western Canada, you've spent the whole thread telling us the CWB gets premium prices for western Canadain grain but now you tell us that true world prices will never be avalible in Western Canada. I am thankful that western farmers will have the chance to prove you wrong thanks to bill C-18 and market freedom for western farmers.
Since when are these two statements incompatable?Turned out to be false. Eastern Canada produces only a tiny fraction of the grain produced in the West.To answer your question yes, there are some huge grain producers in Eastern Canada (who incidentally have been very successful without the CWB).
Well, if Ontario producers are "huge", what would you call the 10x and 20x larger operations in the West? "Super duper huge"? I don't think there are many farms in Ontario over 20,000 acres. Saskatchewan has thousands of farms >4000 acres. How many does Ontario have?Since when are these two statements incompatable?
I guess you can play around with the meaning of the word "huge", but most people would interpret it as a relative word, meaning, much bigger than other similar things. Yes, if by "huge" you mean, "much bigger than the average plot of land in downtown Toronto" then some farms in Ontario are huge. If you mean huge in contrast to other farms in Canada, there are no huge farms in Ontario.
