The end of the Canadian Wheat Board

[fuji]

Fuji I just received a PM from a long term member (thank you). He let me know that you are well known on the board for weighing in on threads in which you are absolutely clueless. He advised me that you are in the top 3 of least liked members on the board. He further advised me to simply ignore you which is exactly what I am going to do.

This is the best course of action for you, you can't win the debate, so it's best for you to run away. It is pants on head stupid to assert that the CWB was harming farmers. With 20% of the world market in wheat under its control it was very well able to influence price in ways that advantage farmers. Basic economics would tell you this, if you knew any basic economics.

But, it sounds like you already know you're wrong, and you're looking for a way to escape. Bye bye.

 

[Aardvark154]

Yes, we all know Fuji. :frusty:

 

[K Douglas]

i gladly pay 4 bucks for a dozen extra large free range eggs. Compare that to a packaged processed frankenfood and there is no contest. Milk? I don't even drink it...........just organic rice milk at 4.49 for 2 litres.

That's you but many families are struggling to put good food on the table and these marketing boards are making it harder and harder for them to do it. I don't drink a lot of milk (mostly for cereal and tea) so I buy 1L cartons and they range from $3.29-$3.69............that is a rip off.

 

[oldjones]

That's you but many families are struggling to put good food on the table and these marketing boards are making it harder and harder for them to do it. I don't drink a lot of milk (mostly for cereal and tea) so I buy 1L cartons and they range from $3.29-$3.69............that is a rip off.

Do tell us from your great wisdom, what you should pay and how much dairy farmers would make if you did.

 

[JohnLarue]

Do tell us from your great wisdom, what you should pay and how much dairy farmers would make if you did.

Better yet, how about you tell us, based upon your great wisdom

 

[ogibowt]

My guess is the 3.29 is probably close what you pay in the States after the exchange rate.
So goes for eggs and bread

A dollar here and a dollar there adds up , especially for a family with growing kids
But as some view it, as long as we make sure the farmers make a predictable profit then the average Canadian Family should be Happy to pay in excess of what the market will bear. ??????

Until some sets up a marketing board for my occupation to ensure I make a predictable profit, then I do not understand why any industry should be subsidized .
This is a out-dated system that has outlived its usefulness[/QUOTE



ah yes, the united States..where you can carry a concealed weapon, but yet cant play internet poker in your own living room
oh and larue, i bet your occupation is subsidized...................................through the tax code..

 

[fuji]

Non-economic factors justify supporting domestic food production. It's not a question of fair wages nor is it one of economic efficiency. It's a question of national security.

 

[omegaphallic]

That's you but many families are struggling to put good food on the table and these marketing boards are making it harder and harder for them to do it. I don't drink a lot of milk (mostly for cereal and tea) so I buy 1L cartons and they range from $3.29-$3.69............that is a rip off.

Holy shit, where the fuck do you shop? I can get bread for a buck and that fancer Italia bread is only 3.00 unless on sale for 2.00. Eggs I get for roughly 2.60, and for roughly what you pay for a litter I can get four litter bags. I did get two litters of chocolate milk for a buck piece. I get chicken wieniers for a buck, regular wieners for 2, 24 cheese slices for roughly 3 bucks. Salad Ceasar kit for 2.50. 2 piazza, that good cresendo stuff, for 3 a piece.
Dude unless your looking for something in paticular fuck those fancy supermarkets, go to NO FRILLS and get your bread at the dollar store, its my second favourite brand after Italia, not just for price it tastes good and fresh too. Just a friendly suggestion.

 

[JohnLarue]

ah yes, the united States..where you can carry a concealed weapon, but yet cant play internet poker in your own living room
oh and larue, i bet your occupation is subsidized...................................through the tax code..

Oh boy

1. The price of basic necessities like bread, milk and eggs is not at all related to hand gun or gambling policies
Every single country has some peculiar and disagreeable policies so you could apply your logic (or lack of logic) to try and counterpoint a comparison vs. Canada

2. The fact of the matter is that Canadians are paying too much for basic necessities in order to prop up inefficient and uncompetitive farmers.
This is not 1965. Canada can not afford to to be uncompetitive .
If a framer can not make a profit then he must
a) become more efficient / productive
b) sell to someone who can make a profit
c) find another occupation

Do not worry, someone will step in and produce on an competitive basis, so we will not starve

3. You would lose your bet

4. European farmers are subsidies as well and look at the mess they are in

 

[fuji]

JohnLarue sees the world through a narrow lens where the only thing that matters is economic efficiency. He's wrong--it's not the only thing that matters.

He would have us auction off our military defense to the Americans if it were cheaper!

 

[ogibowt]

Oh boy

1. The price of basic necessities like bread, milk and eggs is not at all related to hand gun or gambling policies
Every single country has some peculiar and disagreeable policies so you could apply your logic (or lack of logic) to try and counterpoint a comparison vs. Canada

2. The fact of the matter is that Canadians are paying too much for basic necessities in order to prop up inefficient and uncompetitive farmers.
This is not 1965. Canada can not afford to to be uncompetitive .
If a framer can not make a profit then he must
a) become more efficient / productive
b) sell to someone who can make a profit
c) find another occupation

Do not worry, someone will step in and produce on an competitive basis, so we will not starve

3. You would lose your bet

4. European farmers are subsidies as well and look at the mess they are in[/QUOTE



got you again..you try so hard, and your very earnest in what you believe, but im just sitting hear laughing

 

[JohnLarue]

got you again..you try so hard, and your very earnest in what you believe, but im just sitting hear laughing

You will have to elaborate as I do not see how "you got me again"
Private joke I guess

 

[good to go]

I for one would like to be able to have more farmers markets where such things as free range chickens,turkeys and eggs are avaliable. I also wish we could get non-pasturized milk as well.

 

[papasmerf]

I for one would like to be able to have more farmers markets where such things as free range chickens,turkeys and eggs are avaliable. I also wish we could get non-pasturized milk as well.[/

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Seemingly you are not communist to belong to this board

 

[RickC]

No bread or chicken wieners are a dollar at no frills unless on sale ,milk is 4.29 for 4 liters and chickens dont have wieners , roosters yes , chickens no.

 

[oldguy490]

I am a western Canadian Farmer. I grow various kinds of Wheat and have grown Barley in the past although not for a few years. I make my living by doing this. In my area I sledom talk to another farmer that liked the monopoly that the Canadian Wheat Board has and will end once bill C-18 becomes law. The Canadian Wheat Board will still exsist but farmers will be able to choose weather they want to use it or not. In the three praire provinces I would say that probably half the farmers supported the monoply and half didn't. Some will point to the recent plebisite that was held by the CWB showing 62% of people that responded to the mail out survey supported the monopoly on Wheat. 51% of respondants supported the monopoly on Barley. The results of this survey are questional to say the least. Many non farmers received ballots while many actual farmers did not. I have heard that people that have been dead for 10 years received ballots. The idea of a monopoly seller of Canadain grain would seem like a good one but it sure did not work in pratice. Western farmers constantly receive less, in some cases much less for their grain than farmers in Ontairio and the USA. I am extremely happy that the Government has finally made the CWB voluntary as are many other farmers in my area. The Conservetive party has promised an end to the monopoly for a long time and it seems as most farmers support that policy because they keep on electing Conservetive MPs. Most by wide margins. I hope that bill C18 receives royal assent before Christmas. That will make for a very happy holiday season on our farm!

 

[fuji]

Ontario farmers can sometimes get more wheat than Western farmers because they exploit small niches. Western farmers, who supply close to 20% of the world export market for grain (far less than 20% of total production, but most grains are produced for domestic consumption), can't do that: Their supply quantities will quickly overwhelm any such niche.

 

[oldguy490]

I think western farmers will develope niche markets of their own. The CWB's insane "buy back" requirements effectively stifled any value added processing here on the praires. Entrepreneurial farmers who wanted to process their own grain were prohibited from doing so unless they first sold their grain to the CWB and then bought it back at a much higher price. There are different types of wheat and different varieties within each type. Different practices work better on different farms resulting in different products being produced. There will of course still be grain for export but without the CWB's monopoly in place farmers will be able to seek out and supply smaller market of their own. Something the CWB could never be bothered with.

 

[fuji]

Western farmers have established their niche: Providing high quality grain, and selling at a premium over those who chose to be the price leader. When your supply represents 20% of the market anything you do is going to drive down prices in the areas you enter, no matter whether you do that collectively, or through the CWB. If Western farmers enter the niches Ontario farmers went after, whether through the CWB, or individually, they will drive down prices through over-supply.

When you say "CWB" remind yourself that CWB is run by farmers.

 

[oldguy490]

First of all, there are no price premiums. The CWB is not capable of extracting premiums from the market place. In the last few months durum wheat has been returning around eleven dollars per bushel in North Dakota and Montana. Farmers in western Canada are getting just over four dollars Canadian for the same or maybe even better quality durum. Of course we have the promise of getting some more money later but we don't know how much or when it will come. It won't be enough to make up the difference between four dollars and eleven. Where's the price premium in that? To my knowledge durum wheat is not grown in Ontario and because the CWB system is prohibitive to processing on the prairies all most all of the durum is exported, then processed in to pasta products and imported back into Canada for use here. Pasta processing plants are already being planned for the prairies and filling that market will have no impact on Ontairio farmers.