Why do Americans consider Israel their closest ally?

[fuji]

Sorry Groggy but, again, the West Bank is not Israeli territory. You can't claim events there make Israel proper an apartheid state.

You still haven't provided a single solitary example of a crime against humanity being committed against Arab Israeli citizens in the context of some sort of systemic oppression. You haven't even come close--you haven't even substantiated garden variety discrimination!!!

 

[groggy]

By your own admission:

Israel is in control of Gaza and the West Bank. You can pass all the resolutions you like, but until IDF decides to withdraw, close down the checkpoints, lift the blockade, etc., there is no Palestinian state.

As you say, there is no Palestinian state, only Israel at present.
The charges of apartheid stand.

 

[fuji]

LOL groggy, how fucking stupid are you? Do you also claim that Iraq and Afghanistan were part of the United States, and that all their citizens were American citizens?

You are a moron.

The only thing that "stands" here is the reality that you aren't smart enough to continue this debate, and that your "position", such as it is, depends on lying.

 

[groggy]

As you said, there is no Palestinian state, which means there is only Israel.


You have presented nothing in defense of Israel.
This argument is finished, you have lost.

I won't argue these points anymore, I'll just continue to post this statement:

Israel is an apartheid state, built on ethnic cleansing and Jewish terrorism.

 

[fuji]

So when there was no Afghan state and no Iraqi state were those countries part of the United States?????

You're an idiot.

Nobody in the world, not the UN, not Canada, not the US, not anybody, no-one thinks that Gaza and the West Bank are part of Israel. They are occupied territories, not Israeli territory.

I won't argue these points anymore, I'll just continue to post this statement:

Israel is an apartheid state, built on ethnic cleansing and Jewish terrorism

Of course you can't argue the point, you have no arguments, no reasons for the things you think, and right here you admit that you have no reasons and no arguments and repost your ludicrous propaganda anyway.

 

[groggy]

As has been shown through the argument in this thread:

Israel is an apartheid state, built on ethnic cleansing and Jewish terrorism.*



see post 201

 

[fuji]

LOL, you are such a propaganda clown. All of your reasons for thinking so have been shot down, but you are still going to say it.

Your statements have no basis in reality.

 

[rld]

As you said, there is no Palestinian state, which means there is only Israel.


You have presented nothing in defense of Israel.
This argument is finished, you have lost.

I won't argue these points anymore, I'll just continue to post this statement:

Israel is an apartheid state, built on ethnic cleansing and Jewish terrorism.

You just threw the Palestinians under the bus there. WEll done. They may take away your honourary Hamas membership.

 

[groggy]

LOL, you are such a propaganda clown. All of your reasons for thinking so have been shot down, but you are still going to say it.

Your statements have no basis in reality.

I've presented evidence, laws and intelligent interpretations.
You have just your own personal opinion.
You lost this argument a long time ago.


As has been shown through the argument in this thread:

Israel is an apartheid state, built on ethnic cleansing and Jewish terrorism.*



see post 201

 

[fuji]

I've presented evidence, laws and intelligent interpretations.
You have just your own personal opinion.
You lost this argument a long time ago.


As has been shown through the argument in this thread:

Israel is an apartheid state, built on ethnic cleansing and Jewish terrorism.*



see post 201

Look, folks, this is what hatred does: Groggy has been wrong on every fact but it doesn't stop him.

Propaganda clown.

You haven't presented ANY evidence: the laws you listed turned out not to have anything to do with Israeli Arab citizens, you were shown to be wrong on the definition of apartheid, and your interpretation is inane and childish. Your argument boils down to relying on the Russell Tribunal, which wasn't actually a tribunal, had no authority, and was a complete joke of a kangaroo court.

Yet here you are continuing with your ludicrous claims--you have no credibility, you don't care about facts, you lie, you're a fraud.

 

[groggy]

Look, folks, this is what hatred does: Groggy has been wrong on every fact but it doesn't stop him.

Propaganda clown.

You haven't presented ANY evidence: the laws you listed turned out not to have anything to do with Israeli Arab citizens, you were shown to be wrong on the definition of apartheid, and your interpretation is inane and childish. Your argument boils down to relying on the Russell Tribunal, which wasn't actually a tribunal, had no authority, and was a complete joke of a kangaroo court.

Yet here you are continuing with your ludicrous claims--you have no credibility, you don't care about facts, you lie, you're a fraud.

Please see post 201.
evidence provided.

And note, that Fuji has provided absolutely nothing other then his personal opinion.
Argument over.

Israel is an apartheid state, built on ethnic cleansing and Jewish terrorism.

 

[fuji]

Post #201 has been thoroughly refuted. None of the laws you list say what you claim. You are just full of hate and unwilling to accept reality.

Really if you were honest (and I know you are not) you would admit that you don't even comprehend what "apartheid" means, don't know what the definition is, haven't read any of those laws, aren't familiar with the law, and have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

What you did is cut and paste a list of laws and a blatant lie from some other website, and since you don't actually understand any of itself, you aren't able to respond to criticism of it. Specifically, when people point out that it's a lie, that those laws don't say what you claim--you don't know how to answer that, because YOU haven't got a fucking clue.

You just liked the sound of some hate speech you found on a propaganda website and repasted it here, with no comprehension or understanding of what it is you were pasting.

 

[sleazure]

Funny, didn't Pres.B.O. just say that Australia was America's closest ally? Not only that, didn't he whinge publicly about having to deal daily with Israel's Pres.B.N.?
I'm not sure your premise is completely accurate.

 

[groggy]

Post #201 has been thoroughly refuted.... You are just full of hate .. unwilling to accept reality.

if you were honest (and I know you are not) ... don't even comprehend ....don't know ... have no fucking clue ....

... a blatant lie ... you don't actually understand ...aren't able t.... ... YOU haven't got a fucking clue.

You just liked the sound of some hate speech

Do you ever listen to yourself, Fuji?
You accuse me of hate, but look at what's in your post.
Anger, no argument, just anger.

Look, I've posted the laws, debated them with you (and you admitted that said laws gave preferential treatment to one race, showing they were racist), I've posted studies and NGO's showing apartheid treatment, shown quotes from those who lived through apartheid, quotes from holocaust survivors calling it apartheid, quotes from an ex-US president and a nobel winner.

And all you've given back is they type of response above.
Hate, rant and insults.
You have an opinion, which you voice very loudly, but nothing else.
Your opinion has been shown to have no credible backing, you lost this argument a long time ago.
Really, I would hope it would have ended, but you keep repeating the same debunked arguments, so I'm left copying the same finding and arguments over and over again.
Just give up, you lost.

Israel is an apartheid state, built on ethnic cleansing and Jewish terrorism.

 

[fuji]

Groggy I will stop calling you a liar when you stop lying.

No debate? It's been pointed out to you that in FACT the laws you quoted DO NOT discriminate against Israeli Arab citizens, that it was just bullshit and smoke and mirrors on your part to pretend that they do. The first two laws on your list don't even apply to Israeli citizens, for example.

What did you do when this was pointed out? Did you dispute it? No. You changed the topic. Then a little while later you posted the list of laws AGAIN as though it hadn't been disputed.

That is how dishonest you are.

 

[groggy]

It's been pointed out to you that in FACT the laws you quoted DO NOT discriminate against Israeli Arab citizens, ....

That is how dishonest you are.

Its been pointed out to you, and you have admitted, that the laws in question give preferential treatment to Jews, and as such are racist.
It has been you that keeps talking about Palestinians with Israeli citizenship.
That is dishonest.


Israel is an apartheid state, built on ethnic cleansing and Jewish terrorism.

 

[fuji]

Its been pointed out to you, and you have admitted, that the laws in question give preferential treatment to Jews, and as such are racist.

To claim that Israel is an "apartheid state" you have to show criminal mistreatment of Arab Israeli citizens.

This doesn't cut it.

You have no reason for the things you think. You like the sound of the word "apartheid" but you do not know what it means, and do not have any reason to think Israel applies it.

 

[groggy]

To claim that Israel is an "apartheid state" you have to show criminal mistreatment of Arab Israeli citizens.

This doesn't cut it.

You have no reason for the things you think. You like the sound of the word "apartheid" but you do not know what it means, and do not have any reason to think Israel applies it.

False assertion.
Please see the true arguments for the case that Israel is an apartheid nation in post 201, if you can answer them instead of resorting to irrelevant questions, we can talk.
But I expect you can't, and will only continue with the straw men.
As with the other threads, you lost this argument a long time ago and have provided nothing to back up your position.

Israel is an apartheid state, built on ethnic cleansing and Jewish terrorism.

 

[scouser1]

This is a very easy question to answer, Auschwitz, Treblinka and Netanyahu looks like most Americans, the "Mohameddan rabble" dont.

 

[fuji]

Your arguments do not become true just because you call them true arguments Groggy. They actually have to be true. Yours are not, you cited laws that do NOT create discrimination against Arab Israeli cititizens, you were wrong, you are now lying, you are a propaganda clown and a troll.