I guess that grog would be willing to admit that most Muslim nations are similarly apartheid states since they use Muslim imagery in their flags. Similarly, big chunks of Europe with crosses.
Why do Americans consider Israel their closest ally?
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Sorry but the Statute of Rome is actually the law, the Russell "Tribunal", which is not a tribunal, does not have any legal standing, does not follow due process, and is not recognized by anyone. The definition in the Statute of Rome is authoritative. Nothing about the Russell Tribunal is in any way shape or form authoritative--it's a joke.
I am surprised at your animosity towards the ICC and your refusal to use ICC definitions!
As usual, once you run out of arguments its back to shoot the messenger.
Since you can't make one cogent argument that disproves any of their findings, that must be all that's left.
Fuji backs apartheid, ethnic cleansing and terrorism.
LOL. Groggy, let's just review what we have established so far here:
-- The Statute of Rome is widely recognized as an authoritative text on what is, and what isn't, apartheid, crime against humanity, and so on
-- The Russell "tribunal" is widely recognized as propaganda theatre, has no credibility, no legal standing, did not follow due process, and scripted its "findings" in advance
-- The arguments put forward by the "tribunal" (i.e, mindlessly pasted here by you) have been shown to be bunk: They do not add up to what is required under the Statute of Rome
You have not had ANY answer to the criticisms of the propaganda you have pasted here. You have fallen back on some sort of appeal to authority, claiming that even though you have been shot down on every single point, even though you have not been able to demonstrate that there is even ONE law that discriminates against Arab Israeli citizens, that we are somehow supposed to believe what you say because your discredited kangaroo court called it a "finding".
Really, you are a pathetic clown.
-- The Statute of Rome is widely recognized as an authoritative text on what is, and what isn't, apartheid, crime against humanity, and so on
-- The Russell "tribunal" is widely recognized as propaganda theatre, has no credibility, no legal standing, did not follow due process, and scripted its "findings" in advance
-- The arguments put forward by the "tribunal" (i.e, mindlessly pasted here by you) have been shown to be bunk: They do not add up to what is required under the Statute of Rome
You have not had ANY answer to the criticisms of the propaganda you have pasted here. You have fallen back on some sort of appeal to authority, claiming that even though you have been shot down on every single point, even though you have not been able to demonstrate that there is even ONE law that discriminates against Arab Israeli citizens, that we are somehow supposed to believe what you say because your discredited kangaroo court called it a "finding".
Really, you are a pathetic clown.
What has been understood is that you do not understand the definition of apartheid, do not understand the legal issues and do not understand Israel's responsibilities as occupying power.-- The arguments put forward by the "tribunal" (i.e, mindlessly pasted here by you) have been shown to be bunk: They do not add up to what is required under the Statute of Rome
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What the Russell Tribunal has shown is that the argument that Israel is an apartheid state is easily supported once one looks at Israel's policies.
Israel is an apartheid state built on ethnic cleansing and Jewish terrorism.
Groggy you have given up on making truthful arguments and you have given up on facts. All you have left now is your hate.
I pasted the definition of apartheid from the Statute of Rome. Try as you like, you aren't going to be able to wriggle out of this one. If it is "easily supported" that Israel is an apartheid state then you ought to be able to point out at least ONE case where a crime against humanity is being committed against the Arab citizens of Israel. You have been given MANY opportunities to do that--pages of threads--and you haven't even managed to come up with ONE.
You can lie to yourself all you want, but others have eyes to see the truth.
I pasted the definition of apartheid from the Statute of Rome. Try as you like, you aren't going to be able to wriggle out of this one. If it is "easily supported" that Israel is an apartheid state then you ought to be able to point out at least ONE case where a crime against humanity is being committed against the Arab citizens of Israel. You have been given MANY opportunities to do that--pages of threads--and you haven't even managed to come up with ONE.
You can lie to yourself all you want, but others have eyes to see the truth.
Fuji, this is my last night on the politics board for a while, so enjoy this one and really, do try to understand it.
The crime of apartheid is given to Israel and the lands they have been occupying for some 60 years now. Since there is no Palestinian state, as you are fond of saying, the responsibility for the situation in the west bank and gaza falls under the occupying power, Israel. So here's some charges for you, once more, with feelings (though of course this has all been detailed in post 201 so long ago).
a) murder - which would include targeted assassinations by Israel of Palestinians political or otherwise.
d) deportation - including present day immigration rules and laws and the present treatment of the Bedouin
e) imprisonment - as detailed by B'teselem, including the arresting of minors in the middle of the night and arrest of non-violent protesters and other inhumane treatments in prison as detailed by theirs and other reports
f) torture - as detailed by B'teselem and including the recent report showing that Israeli doctors are now becoming complicit in torture of Palestinian prisoners
h) persecution - as detailed by the 25 racist laws and 8 racist bills, giving preferential treatment to one race over another
j) apartheid - the sum of the previous crimes when put into the context of the 'institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group' - detailed by dual legal systems in the west bank, dual social services, land rights and a host of other examples.
These are the reasons that Israel regularly polls as low in popularity as you do here, Fuji.
The divestment plan, the UN push and the coming Arab spring fight for equal rights may finally put an end to the apartheid regime in the hopes that a more just and equitable society can built in the place of such a racist one. And no, I don't call for the end of Israel, I hope for the coming of an Israel that respects all human rights and treats all races equitably, as horrible as that may sound to you.
Enjoy trying to deny the charges of apartheid, you're going to have to get much better at it, but I expect that you will have plenty of experience in the coming years.
By the way, I've learned much arguing with you, not from you of course, I don't trust a word from your mouth, but listening to such hateful rants from you has been impetus for me to research the history of Israel and the crimes it was built upon. You have done well to create someone who won't put up with your type of propaganda by highlighting the moral corruption of your position.
Keep up defending apartheid, terrorism and ethnic cleansing, the louder and more shrill you argue, the more you will convince others like me to look into your arguments.
The crime of apartheid is given to Israel and the lands they have been occupying for some 60 years now. Since there is no Palestinian state, as you are fond of saying, the responsibility for the situation in the west bank and gaza falls under the occupying power, Israel. So here's some charges for you, once more, with feelings (though of course this has all been detailed in post 201 so long ago).
a) murder - which would include targeted assassinations by Israel of Palestinians political or otherwise.
d) deportation - including present day immigration rules and laws and the present treatment of the Bedouin
e) imprisonment - as detailed by B'teselem, including the arresting of minors in the middle of the night and arrest of non-violent protesters and other inhumane treatments in prison as detailed by theirs and other reports
f) torture - as detailed by B'teselem and including the recent report showing that Israeli doctors are now becoming complicit in torture of Palestinian prisoners
h) persecution - as detailed by the 25 racist laws and 8 racist bills, giving preferential treatment to one race over another
j) apartheid - the sum of the previous crimes when put into the context of the 'institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group' - detailed by dual legal systems in the west bank, dual social services, land rights and a host of other examples.
These are the reasons that Israel regularly polls as low in popularity as you do here, Fuji.
The divestment plan, the UN push and the coming Arab spring fight for equal rights may finally put an end to the apartheid regime in the hopes that a more just and equitable society can built in the place of such a racist one. And no, I don't call for the end of Israel, I hope for the coming of an Israel that respects all human rights and treats all races equitably, as horrible as that may sound to you.
Enjoy trying to deny the charges of apartheid, you're going to have to get much better at it, but I expect that you will have plenty of experience in the coming years.
By the way, I've learned much arguing with you, not from you of course, I don't trust a word from your mouth, but listening to such hateful rants from you has been impetus for me to research the history of Israel and the crimes it was built upon. You have done well to create someone who won't put up with your type of propaganda by highlighting the moral corruption of your position.
Keep up defending apartheid, terrorism and ethnic cleansing, the louder and more shrill you argue, the more you will convince others like me to look into your arguments.
I see you have given up on your false and slanderous claim that Israel is an apartheid state.
Now you have switched to the different and unrelated topic of whether the policies in the West Bank or the Gaza Strip could be considered apartheid. You will be shot down on that one too, for slightly different reasons.
But first let's acknowledge the fact, which must be glaringly obvious even to you by now: Israel is not an apartheid state, the Arab citizens of Israel not only enjoy equal rights there, but enjoy better rights than Arabs living in any other Middle Eastern country.
Now you have switched to the different and unrelated topic of whether the policies in the West Bank or the Gaza Strip could be considered apartheid. You will be shot down on that one too, for slightly different reasons.
But first let's acknowledge the fact, which must be glaringly obvious even to you by now: Israel is not an apartheid state, the Arab citizens of Israel not only enjoy equal rights there, but enjoy better rights than Arabs living in any other Middle Eastern country.
Ok, I'm about to head off to bed and give up these discussions.
So, just because you're as wrong as usual, I have not changed my mind, the more I look into it, the more evidence I find.
Israel is an apartheid state built on ethnic cleansing and Jewish terrorism.
Does that make it clear that I'm not giving up on my claim, or the Russell Tribunal's claim or Jimmy Carter's claim?
So, just because you're as wrong as usual, I have not changed my mind, the more I look into it, the more evidence I find.
Israel is an apartheid state built on ethnic cleansing and Jewish terrorism.
Does that make it clear that I'm not giving up on my claim, or the Russell Tribunal's claim or Jimmy Carter's claim?
Of course you have not changed your mind. Your opinion was never based on fact, logic, or reason, so how could your being shown to be completely and totally wrong on every point ever possibly change your mind?
You are fueled by hate, not by reason. You have no reasons for the things you think--you have only your hate.
You are fueled by hate, not by reason. You have no reasons for the things you think--you have only your hate.
