Why do Americans consider Israel their closest ally?

[fuji]

Groggy you are running from this point like a little girl:

To call Israel an "apartheid state" you would have to show that it treats Arab citizens differently than it treats Jewish ones. But you can't show that because Israeli law treats them equally.

So you resort to misleading crap, tring to claim that immigration law somehow (how?) discriminates against arab israeli citizens.

Really you are lying, your whole viewpoint depends on lies, and you know it! You don't care though, your hate doesn't value truth.

 

[groggy]

My argument depends on three separate issues.
1) legal treatment of non-Jews (the majority of whom are 'Israeli Arabs' or Palestinians with papers) in Israel
2) apartheid system of roads, walls, social services, courts within the West Bank
3) creation of Bantustan in Gaza

I've posted the list of 25 racist laws that gives preferential treatment to one race and outlined the issues in the West Bank and Gaza.
In your defense you have offered nothing except ignoring the occupied territories and a very lame defense of the first of two laws discussed.
I'd say your case is pathetic.

Here again is the summary from the Russell Tribunal, go ahead and argue its not valid if you like, I know its because you can't seriously answer any of its points.

The Tribunal finds that Israel subjects the Palestinian people to an institutionalised regime of domination amounting to apartheid as defined under international law. This discriminatory regime manifests in varying intensity and forms against different categories of Palestinians depending on their location. The Palestinians living under colonial military rule in the Occupied Palestinian Territory are subject to a particularly aggravated form of apartheid. Palestinian citizens of Israel, while entitled to vote, are not part of the Jewish nation as defined by Israeli law and are therefore excluded from the benefits of Jewish nationality and subject to systematic discrimination across the broad spectrum of recognised human rights. Irrespective of such differences, the Tribunal concludes that Israel’s rule over the Palestinian people, wherever they reside, collectively amounts to a single integrated regime of apartheid.

 

[canada-man]

And why does it matter?

Why do Americans, in particular Republicans, get up and cheer whenever a politician (such as the Republicans running for President) mentions that Israel is America's closest ally and friend? It's such a bizarre spectacle to watch. What does it mean and why does any American care about any country in the Middle East?

My belief is that no American should care and really doesn't care but they've been trained to think that they care and that they have to care about Israel. If Israel were to vaporize tomorrow, what difference would it make to America? None, except that American taxpayers would be able to save billions of dollars in foreign aid to Israel.

Am I misinformed? What is the significance of American and Israeli ties?

Geo-Politics

 

[fuji]

My1) legal treatment of non-Jews (the majority of whom are 'Israeli Arabs' or Palestinians with papers) in Israel

... they are treated the same.

2) apartheid system of roads, walls, social services, courts within the West Bank

Arab citizens of Israel have equal access to roads and services.

3) creation of Bantustan in Gaza

Nobody in the world believes that Gaza is or should be part of Israel. Everybody believes it is occupied territory that will become an independent Palestinian state.

I've posted the list of 25 racist laws that gives preferential treatment to one race and outlined the issues in the West Bank and Gaza.

No you haven't. You have never been able to show how ANY of those laws give preferential treatment to one group of Israeli citizens over another. You lied.

 

[groggy]

You have never been able to show how ANY of those laws give preferential treatment to one group of Israeli citizens over another. You lied.

You yourself admitted that the Law of Return gave preferential treatment to Jews.

Listen, this argument is done.
You have not presented one serious argument, the best you can do is misdirection, saying this or that doesn't apply to Israeli Arabs when its not the point.
The case has been made and you have no defense.

My arguments have been made and nothing you've said has come close to giving me cause to not say this following statement is correct.

Israel is an apartheid state built on ethnic cleansing and Jewish terrorism.

 

[fuji]

Groggy, you fucking moron, to claim that Israel is an apartheid state you have to show that there is some law that gives preference to Jewish CITIZENS as compared to Arab CITIZENS.

Saying that there is a preference in immigration policy DOES NOT CUT IT. You cannot claim that Israel is an "apartheid state" if it TREATS ALL ITS CITIZENS EQUALLY, which it does.

You are a pathetic clown. Your position depends on lying and misleading. You want to pretend that a law that applies to NON CITIZENS somehow means there is discrimination between citizens. It's wool you are trying to pull over people's eyes.

Why can't your formulate a viewpoint that does not rely on deceiving people and lying to people? Why do your views rely being a misleading, deceptive person?

 

[cye]

You yourself admitted that the Law of Return gave preferential treatment to Jews.

Listen, this argument is done.
You have not presented one serious argument, the best you can do is misdirection, saying this or that doesn't apply to Israeli Arabs when its not the point.
The case has been made and you have no defense.

My arguments have been made and nothing you've said has come close to giving me cause to not say this following statement is correct.

Israel is an apartheid state built on ethnic cleansing and Jewish terrorism.

Following the Jordanian model.

 

[gryfin]

Groggy, you fucking moron, to claim that Israel is an apartheid state you have to show that there is some law that gives preference to Jewish CITIZENS as compared to Arab CITIZENS.

Saying that there is a preference in immigration policy DOES NOT CUT IT. You cannot claim that Israel is an "apartheid state" if it TREATS ALL ITS CITIZENS EQUALLY, which it does.

You are a pathetic clown. Your position depends on lying and misleading. You want to pretend that a law that applies to NON CITIZENS somehow means there is discrimination between citizens. It's wool you are trying to pull over people's eyes.

Why can't your formulate a viewpoint that does not rely on deceiving people and lying to people? Why do your views rely being a misleading, deceptive person?

The immigration law is the most obvious. It's a law created by one group (Israeli Jews) that gives a preference of unparalleled power to that group. It enables that group to constantly bolster its numbers while other groups have little or now opportunity to grow in the same way. Those rigged population numbers enable the dominant group to have veto power over every decision made in the country. Other groups will never have this opportunity. It enables the dominant group to direct disproportional funds to its own development while stifling the development of other group. Its rigged population numbers also provide a pretext for taking land from other groups. It enable the dominant group to create laws that benefit it directly while other groups have no such ability.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Ernst Zundel/Fuji

 

[toguy5252]

The immigration law is the most obvious. It's a law created by one group (Israeli Jews) that gives a preference of unparalleled power to that group. It enables that group to constantly bolster its numbers while other groups have little or now opportunity to grow in the same way. Those rigged population numbers enable the dominant group to have veto power over every decision made in the country. Other groups will never have this opportunity. It enables the dominant group to direct disproportional funds to its own development while stifling the development of other group. Its rigged population numbers also provide a pretext for taking land from other groups. It enable the dominant group to create laws that benefit it directly while other groups have no such ability.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Ernst Zundel/Fuji

LOL. The Arab population in Israel is growing both in absolute terms and as a percentage of the total population. I know that truth is not your strong point but apparently neither is demographics.

 

[gryfin]

LOL. The Arab population in Israel is growing both in absolute terms and as a percentage of the total population. I know that truth is not your strong point but apparently neither is demographics.

Could that be why the Israeli government talks about population transfers of Arabs? Just one more way of maintaining that control for the dominant group.

 

[toguy5252]

Could that be why the Israeli government talks about population transfers of Arabs? Just one more way of maintaining that control for the dominant group.

Nice attempt to backtrack but that still makes you a dishonest moron. As well as a pathetic clown and a very sick puppy ( well at least according to grog).

 

[gryfin]

Nice attempt to backtrack but that still makes you a dishonest moron. As well as a pathetic clown and a very sick puppy ( well at least according to grog).

On the contrary, all the statements in #171 are sadly true. Unfortunately, it's also true that Jewish Israeli's want to transfer those dirty Arabs out. They want a pure state!

 

[toguy5252]

On the contrary, all the statements in #171 are sadly true. Unfortunately, it's also true that Jewish Israeli's want to transfer those dirty Arabs out. They want a pure state!

By electing them to the Knesset and having them teach in all of the universities and become doctors in the hospitals and all of the other rights of Israelis.

Those dastardly Israelis. How sinister can they get.

You really are too too funny. I always enjoy it when you take the time to climb out from under your rock from time to time. You always manage to make me chuckle.

 

[gryfin]

By electing them to the Knesset and having them teach in all of the universities and become doctors in the hospitals and all of the other rights of Israelis.

Those dastardly Israelis. How sinister can they get.

You really are too too funny. I always enjoy it when you take the time to climb out from under your rock from time to time. You always manage to make me chuckle.

I don't think the Palestinian Israeli's who are living in refugee camps share the same rights. But, in the world of zionism, ethnicity is destiny.

 

[toguy5252]

I don't think the Palestinian Israeli's who are living in refugee camps share the same rights.

I totally agree and you should be condemning Jordan and Lebanon etc and the other countries which have been exploiting then for these many many years.

You might also wish to listen more closely to Abbas and others who have conceded that not recognizing the partition was a mistake.

 

[gryfin]

I totally agree and you should be condemning Jordan and Lebanon etc and the other countries which have been exploiting then for these many many years.

You might also wish to listen more closely to Abbas and others who have conceded that not recognizing the partition was a mistake.

Why would I condemn anyone other than the people who ethnically cleansed them? That's like letting Nazi Germany off the hook by blaming the people who took the fleeing jews in. How immoral can you get?

 

[toguy5252]

Why would I condemn anyone other than the people who ethnically cleansed them? That's like letting Nazi Germany off the hook by blaming the people who took the fleeing jews in. How immoral can you get?

Lets see. You are a liar (proven over and over again). intellectually dishonest (again demonstrated over and over again), demographically dishonest (just look at previous posts today) and historically dishonest (demonstrated over and over again). And once again you have proven all of the above with your continual adherence to allegations which have been decisively dis-proven over and over again and which have stood in the way of the Palestinians realizing their hopes and dreams of a sovereign state. Keep up the good work. The Palestinian people should be be very proud.

 

[gryfin]

Lets see. You are a liar (proven over and over again). intellectually dishonest (again demonstrated over and over again), demographically dishonest (just look at previous posts today) and historically dishonest (demonstrated over and over again). And once again you have proven all of the above with your continual adherence to allegations which have been decisively dis-proven over and over again and which have stood in the way of the Palestinians realizing their hopes and dreams of a sovereign state. Keep up the good work. The Palestinian people should be be very proud.

Wow...another concession speech.

 

[cye]

I don't think the Palestinian Israeli's who are living in refugee camps share the same rights. But, in the world of zionism, ethnicity is destiny.

Like Jihad? Osama

 

[toguy5252]

Wow...another concession speech.

LOL. Additional proof (as if any were needed) that you are an idiot. And a pathetic clown and a very sick puppy but that was established long ago.