Do Drugs Inspire Creative Thinking?

[wigglee]

@Perry Mason: Get a few degrees in art history like me and then you can have an informed opinion. DaVinci, Michalgelo, Van Gogh, Marie Claire, Patterson, Pollock, Renior, Manet etc...

None of them did drugs for "englightenment", they were all just super diciplined. Well, Van Gogh was a serious hobbiest so I can give "sex helps genius" to ya

Only the Babyboomers who grew up using pot think that you need drugs to make great art. You don't, you need dicipline. Drugs just cloud the mind.

ps: the Beatles were douchebags.

if you are going to call musicians who took drugs douchebags, don't forget to throw in all the other big rock pioneers of the sixties and seventies, and then there are the great jazz giants of the fifties like Miles and Bird.

Drugs are a double edged sword. First you need a brain and you need to practice, study and play alot, then maybe drugs will help you get creative, but if you do it too much it will just make you lazy and crazy.

 

[blackrock13]

Well if he's good enough for the Toronto Maple Leafs, Jays and Raptors. Also, our Olympic athletes I would say he is good enough for me. I know for a fact that some of best Doctors, Lawyers, Financial advisors are "rocked the F*^% out" on their downtime". I here your point but all I am saying is from my experience I have seen a lot of drug use on sets and I here you on the safety issues. The question is does it add to creativity?

Oh, on their downtime, that 's a big difference. It's what they do on the clock that's key to me. I don't care about the creativity in techies, just can they get the job done right, on time and no bodies count.

Morrison, Hendriks, and Joplin, could they have done what they did straight? I doubt it, but they paid a price.

 

[lurkerdick]

It's not a good choice especially for those who get the urge they can fly only having the lesson ended at the landing

 

[ctv250]

@Wiggly: abso-fucking-lutly. Some of the worst music ever created in the history of the world was the self indulgent 1960's and 70's. Truely aweful. Most of it was just lifted from musicians and then watered down to serve like pablum to the masses. I challenge any artist from the 60's or 70's to hold a candle to Ella Fitzgerald, Robert Johnson, Frank Sinatra, Artie Shaw, Count Basie, Ma Rainey, Carl Perkins or Hank Williams etc. Those were true pioneers of music from the 20th century, not the babyboomer crap.

Don't believe me? Spend a few hours looking up their music and listening to it. It will shine like a beacon.

Just because the babyboomers lived through their formative years of being spoon fed pop music that was garbage, doesnt' make it french food cause they "lived" through it.

Cruel thought I know but dig deep and listen to work and think for yourself instead of listening to john derringer in the morning. You will find a new appreciation for great music.

ps: I can't believe I am agreeing with blackrock on this one about professionals and their skill sets. WTF is the world coming to?

Perkins and Sinatra both had alcohol problems and Hank Williams was a druggie and a drunk. Not discounting the quality of music they produced, but to pretend that they were any different from the drug and alcohol problems that have affected performers during any decade of music is a croc.

 

[Yoga Face]

In ordinary states of consciousness, we are "governed" by reason, logic, rationality, conventional wisdom, etc. Drugs tend to induce an altered state of consciousness that releases us from the constraints of reason, logic, rationality, etc. and open up our ability to see non-rational, non-logical connections.

As I said on the other thread on this subject, history is replete of accounts of people whose creativity was "induced" by drugs of one kind or another... which is not to say that creativity is limited to those who take drugs.

But there exists ample evidence to support Timothy Leary's famous "Turn on, tune in, drop out." And he is not alone in that regard: the list of scientists and social scientists is very long, and includes the likes of Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung...

And, yes, Yoga Face, the likes of Beethoven, Mozart, daVinci etc. ingested substances that were not then called drugs... they were called snuff, soporifics, etc. And the history of the use of such substances goes back to early, primitive and indigenous people who left evidence of their use of such substances.


Perry

Actually Perry, I agree with your hypothesis, but as a scientist I say it is an unproven hypothesis. To assume your biased logic is fact when it is unproven is foolish. Science is replete with examples of such foolishness.

 

[wigglee]

@Wiggly: abso-fucking-lutly. Some of the worst music ever created in the history of the world was the self indulgent 1960's and 70's. Truely aweful. Most of it was just lifted from musicians and then watered down to serve like pablum to the masses. I challenge any artist from the 60's or 70's to hold a candle to Ella Fitzgerald, Robert Johnson, Frank Sinatra, Artie Shaw, Count Basie, Ma Rainey, Carl Perkins or Hank Williams etc. Those were true pioneers of music from the 20th century, not the babyboomer crap.

Don't believe me? Spend a few hours looking up their music and listening to it. It will shine like a beacon.

Just because the babyboomers lived through their formative years of being spoon fed pop music that was garbage, doesnt' make it french food cause they "lived" through it.

Cruel thought I know but dig deep and listen to work and think for yourself instead of listening to john derringer in the morning. You will find a new appreciation for great music.

ps: I can't believe I am agreeing with blackrock on this one about professionals and their skill sets. WTF is the world coming to?

Nice try, Mousecock, but most of the great musicians you named were druggies too! You think I listen to Q107 all the time? Wrong. I am a musician and have played everything from Hank to Nirvana, but currently I prefer jazz and latin. I appreciate all styles, unlike you who has a hate for the sixties. The Beatles were the greatest rock/pop band of all time... the late sixties and early seventies was an explosion of brilliant creativity in rock - from joni and neil, to the who and zep, the airplane , bowie, floyd, tull, yes, steely dan... You also conveniently ignored all the bebop geniuses who were well known as drug users.

 

[blackrock13]

All crap. Especially Santana.

@Wiggly: Thanks for the heads up, it is nice to know you are part of the problem (as a musician) rather than part of the solution. Of course you can't see it, you are too close to understand how blind you are.

It looks like HC is in panic mode and withdrawn back to his corner.

 

[blackrock13]

I am sorry blackrock, I will have to respond in a week. I am leaving for vacation in a few mins.

I will happily point out how inconsistant and obtuse you are when I return though!

See you suckas in a week. I am going somewhere warm where the pussy is even warmer.

Say hi to the warden for us. I hear she misses you. Have you got your coonskin cap.

 

[5hummer]

@Wiggly: abso-fucking-lutly. Some of the worst music ever created in the history of the world was the self indulgent 1960's and 70's. Truely aweful. Most of it was just lifted from musicians and then watered down to serve like pablum to the masses. I challenge any artist from the 60's or 70's to hold a candle to Ella Fitzgerald, Robert Johnson, Frank Sinatra, Artie Shaw, Count Basie, Ma Rainey, Carl Perkins or Hank Williams etc. Those were true pioneers of music from the 20th century, not the babyboomer crap.

Don't believe me? Spend a few hours looking up their music and listening to it. It will shine like a beacon.

Apples and oranges, really? And that beacon isn't shining very brightly these days.
But, there were great music and musicians from the 60's & 70's -- Hendrix, Marvin Gaye, Van Halen, Al Green, Curtis Mayfield, George Benson, Zeppelin, Clapton, Beck, etc., etc.

 

[Pastor Tricky]

I am sorry blackrock, I will have to respond in a week. I am leaving for vacation in a few mins.

I will happily point out how inconsistant and obtuse you are when I return though!

See you suckas in a week. I am going somewhere warm where the pussy is even warmer.

Enjoy the ladyboys.

 

[Bubbles99]

Enjoy the ladyboys.

Nevermind PT. I am straight and caught myself doing a few double takes on more than one occasion when I was in Thailand.

 

[wigglee]

I am sorry blackrock, I will have to respond in a week. I am leaving for vacation in a few mins.

I will happily point out how inconsistant and obtuse you are when I return though!

See you suckas in a week. I am going somewhere warm where the pussy is even warmer.

I hope you are going back in time because your mind is already stuck there. I like all styles and eras of music, yet I am the problem??? Why , because I refuse to buy your absurd hatred for the 60's and 70's music? Listen to Simon and Garfunkel, The Flock, Tower of Power, Stevie Wonder, Chicago, Blood Sweat and Tears, Gentle Giant , The Allman Bros, Frank Zappa, Phil Ochs, Rare Earth, Johnny Winter, Genesis, Pink Floyd and Yes, ....then give your head a shake!

 

[Linds]

Drugs do create Creative Thoughts, how many times have you had a great idea when your stoned, the only problem is... and thats if you remeber to write it down, is trying to understand wtf you were thinking about when you wrote it down once your sober again. I've done it a few times, even joined Terb that way lol.

 

[bobistheowl]

 

[Bella Italiana]

You hear about a lot of music artists and or famous people who have vouched that they thought of an idea/product/service with the assistance of drugs. Do you guys believe that drugs (used carefully) are a pathway to higher learning?

I know this is meant for the guys, but HAD to say something ..."pathway to higher learning"?? LOL!!!. K that's all now

 

[Bella Italiana]

Bar none, yes. But, if one has a disciplined mind, like Buddhists, a high can occur naturally. I have experienced both.

Are you talking about the Buddhists that use the "Ayawaska plant"? apparently it's completely ILLEGAL everywhere except in Brazil...I've seen videos of people on trips ...what about "Salvia"? I dont get why that is sold in convenience stores and what it's actually used for???

Oh wait you said without drugs, oops. Yeah I have read that. The only drug I am addicted to (and having difficult time eliminating form my lifestyle) is caffeine and cigarettes :-(

 

[5hummer]

Are you talking about the Buddhists that use the "Ayawaska plant"? apparently it's completely ILLEGAL everywhere except in Brazil...

Ayawaska is generally used in South American Peruvian culture. I believe the Buddhist use some flower or herb from the lily family.

 

[GG2]

I don't know if it inspires creativity or not. Maybe it has something to do with the type of drug, quantity of it, and frequency of use. For every genius potentially inspired by drugs there are thousands of drug addicts clearly worse off for taking them.

 

[afterhours]

I don't know if it inspires creativity or not. Maybe it has something to do with the type of drug, quantity of it, and frequency of use. For every genius potentially inspired by drugs there are thousands of drug addicts clearly worse off for taking them.

and for every thousand of drug addicts there are tens of thousands happy recreational users who like their drugs and feel clearly better off for taking them.

 

[5hummer]

and for every thousand of drug addicts there are tens of thousands happy recreational users who like their drugs and feel clearly better off for taking them.

It's funny how recreational 'drug-users' are stereotyped. It's especially hilarious that your stereotypical lawyer, finance-person or white collar employee are the majority recreational drug-user.