Banning on Shark Fin

[danmand]

Chinese have absolutely zero respect for the environment, zero.

Considering that there are a couple of billions of them, I would call this a sweeping generalization.

PS: The girl in the red dress cares a lot about the part of the environment that is me.

 

[red]

will the toronto ban on shark fin soup make a bit of difference. not likely.

 

[Cobster]

Wow, really?!? I'm surprised you wrote such a comment given the Leo Rosten quote you have on your signature line. You are really knowledgable enough to make a generalization on an entire culture?!?

Well, if you are actually correct, then everyone is screwed one way or another - since the chinese represents roughly 20% of the world's population. That's a whole hell of a lot of damage

Yep, it (Leo Rosten quote) certainly applies in the finning case, just cut what you need and toss the rest of the body away.
See the correlation?

As for China and the environment, this is just the beginning of things to come.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...sg=AFQjCNGJZXhdNnIwClVF6CUVRiGGFcAOyw&cad=rja

Here's one related to Apple http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/26/us-catcher-idUSTRE79P1H220111026
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2007319,00.html

.....and again there's their lack of respect for animals as well.
As a co-worker from a few years ago who told me, the belief in China is, if their back is facing the sun, you can eat it (in reference to animals), real nice.

 

[Cobster]

Considering that there are a couple of billions of them, I would call this a sweeping generalization.

PS: The girl in the red dress cares a lot about the part of the environment that is me.

You did leave out the part where I said "While I'm sure there are some that do care and that they do have environmental groups as well as animal rights groups, I'd venture to say the majority don't give a flying fuck".

 

[danmand]

As a co-worker from a few years ago who told me, the belief in China is, if their back is facing the sun, you can eat it (in reference to animals), real nice.

The joke in China is about the people in Quandong: they will eat anything with 4 legs except the table.

 

[Casa_Nova]

I want to start off by saying again that I DO NOT support or condone cruelty of any kind. Towards animals/people or otherwise.

Having said that, please bear in mind that a majority of the billion plus in China also live well below what the North Americans consider as the poverty line. Sure, things look fine and dandy in the big cities and that's probably what you see a lot of in the media and such; but in the other provinces and such, most live under very poor conditions, and probably need to eat whatever they can find. That's not out of cruelty, it's out of survival.

 

[Anynym]

I hope that those who introduced this motion will follow through and introduce a motion to ban the possession, consumption, trade, or preparation of seal meat on public or private premises.

But where in the Ontario Municipal Act or the City of Toronto Act is City Council given the legal authority to ban the possession of any legal substance?

 

[GG2]

I've never tried shark fin soup. I didn't even know it existed. But curiousity has gotten the better of me and I vow to try it. Ban be damned!

 

[GG2]

rubby is right. Seal blubber gets no love from Torontonians. Understandable though. It's blubber.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

rubby is right. Seal blubber gets no love from Torontonians. Understandable though. It's blubber.

But our mayor got some serious love last October and he's 98% blubber. Of course, many people would love to club him now, too.

 

[GG2]

I'm waiting for you to announce your next adventure will be to go on a seal hunt so you can smash their heads in yourself and use their dead carcasses for pleasure!!

^
That's the sickest thing I've ever read. Quite imaginitive.

But please, we should all appeal to our better angels.

 

[GG2]

Mr. Ruby, you obviously have me mistaken for somebody else.

If you check the dates you'll notice that would have been a lurker when "GotGusto" was being a destructive force on these boards. I registered only after his psychological terrorism and verbal beatdowns had come to an end.

However, I see where you got your sick inspiration from. I beg of you to please refrain from posting such vile thoughts.

Thanks kindly.

 

[boodog]

I am not a Shark Fin Soup eater.

But this film looks staged.

I am not saying there is no cruel shark fishing, I want to know what this ban will result hurting the wholesome shark fishery, the one that harvest and sell the whole sharks? The sale of every marketable body part could be the making or breaking point of the industry profitablity.

How many tons of sharks are permitted by the Federal Government every year to Canada? If the fin parts are banned, how much the price for the rest of the fishes will go up?

If this inhumane shark fishery is so widespread why isn't the United Nations denouncing it and ban it on the international level? The UN should show leadership co-ordinating between the producing and consuming countries and protect the humane and wholesome shark industry and not throw thousand and thousand poor fishermen out of business and employment.

For the local level, why punish Toronto and Mississauga Chinese restaurants for a Federal issue (Can MUNICIPAL governments enact city by-laws, that is clearly and strictly federal jurisdiction on products that are legal and not deemed dangerous to Canadians) and push their customers to Richmond Hill and Markham, Ontario and Brampton?

Is this fair?

Yes I said that.

Now the informations from the Government of Canada confirmed that.

And the court ruled exactly the way I expected it would.

 

[boodog]

Those bans are handled at UN level.

If there is no different why The UN and then Government of Canada not banning it?

Yes that film of ( staged or not) cruel shark fishing does create the impression every fin is from a de-finned shark and the rest of body thrown back to the sea alive.

Wrong!!!!!! Some may but only very minority.

By the way if you talk to the people who handle the fin trade, you will know the fin soup customers eat are mixed with other soft bones from the fish main body.

I do agree the industry at the international level should be regulated, quota and fishing method etc, but not at municipal level.

Co-ordinate international agreements and only allow exporting and importing wholesome sharks at the national level. Shark fin eaters can pay through the roof for the fin and process the rest of body for other commercial products including fish oil, fish meal for farmed fisheries and pet foods.

All producing processing and consuming countries will be benefited.

Does this make more sense?

Is that too much to ask?

I guess I didn't know the international co-ordination was already well in place and operating effectively.

 

[boodog]

Not just wasting time!!!!!

Worse.

The restaurants could in theory start class action and sue for damage and when they win then may god have mercy on the taxpayers who those cities represent.

I just hope, personally, the Chinese restaurants show restraint because they are good corporation citizens and not to sue for damage.

Otherwise the City of Toronto first and the other small cities maybe on the hook for compensation.