just as an update to my original post, I am starting to think this was the worst idea ever!! I posted on Craig's List and sifting through the responses who were obviously pro sp's looking for more business, others who didnt fit my criteria but had obviously poor reading comprehension skills. I had 3 bizarre ones stand out, one was an overweight girl who wanted the money up front before she did anything, another one who ducked out 2 hours before we were suppose to meet up for coffee but my absolute favorite: the girl who wanted to see pics of me to see if "its worth it". After all that I have come to the conclusion its back to sp's for me.
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did you try any of the ladies looking for sugar daddie posting in craigslist w4m section? There seem to be a lot these days.
I agree with rubmeister. A lawyer is someone you have in the real world, you're in the underworld. You have no idea what Barney is up to here.
Look around the law schools for a female law student (this is not a joke).
Look around the law schools for a female law student (this is not a joke).
What kind of possible problems do you imagine could arise with this type of arrangement? What kind of protection do you think would be a good idea?
My own experiences, FWIW. I've done this three times, two very successfully (and those two remain good friends). However each time it was a case of converting an established SP relationship to sugar-daddy status. I can't imagine being able to do it cold, but that seems to be where you are starting.
For me the best candidate for this is an SP who is at the end of their "woo-hoo, this is such great fun!" phase (a year or three into the biz) and is approaching the "I can't keep doing this forever, I gotta get a plan for my life" point. Of course, some SPs never get to that point until the market forces it upon them. So, you start with an SP who you've seen a bunch and you genuinely like who wants to go back to school or otherwise start a career - sugar baby is an awesome way to transition between those two lives.
Set her up with a place to live and maybe tuition, in exchange for a pre-determined amount of playtime. Keep it well defined but simple and even though it is an arrangement keep it fun & casual. Agree on the ground rules way up front, this puts the girl at ease as well.
Now to limit your downside. Don't put anything in your name or put yourself in a position of fronting any money to the girl. This means that you pay rent and expenses AFTER fun-time. The lease is in her name, and the deposit comes from her (possibly funded out of hourly time with you - this worked well for me).
At the risk of over-generalizing, SPs are generally hot girls with poor self-discipline, money management, and planning skills. So don't expect them to have self discipline, manage money, or plan. They are also just girls, which means they've likely been raised to think it's cool to change their minds on a moments notice whether they've committed to an agreement or not. So always think in terms of what happens if she just bails on the arrangement totally, where is my risk?
When this works it is so great for both the SD and the SB, a real win-win. The pitfalls are easily manageable, but tough to see if you haven't been through it - that's what TERB is for though.
i enjoyed my times as an SD, and would do it again in a minute if I found another candidate.
Good luck - KK
For me the best candidate for this is an SP who is at the end of their "woo-hoo, this is such great fun!" phase (a year or three into the biz) and is approaching the "I can't keep doing this forever, I gotta get a plan for my life" point. Of course, some SPs never get to that point until the market forces it upon them. So, you start with an SP who you've seen a bunch and you genuinely like who wants to go back to school or otherwise start a career - sugar baby is an awesome way to transition between those two lives.
Set her up with a place to live and maybe tuition, in exchange for a pre-determined amount of playtime. Keep it well defined but simple and even though it is an arrangement keep it fun & casual. Agree on the ground rules way up front, this puts the girl at ease as well.
Now to limit your downside. Don't put anything in your name or put yourself in a position of fronting any money to the girl. This means that you pay rent and expenses AFTER fun-time. The lease is in her name, and the deposit comes from her (possibly funded out of hourly time with you - this worked well for me).
At the risk of over-generalizing, SPs are generally hot girls with poor self-discipline, money management, and planning skills. So don't expect them to have self discipline, manage money, or plan. They are also just girls, which means they've likely been raised to think it's cool to change their minds on a moments notice whether they've committed to an agreement or not. So always think in terms of what happens if she just bails on the arrangement totally, where is my risk?
When this works it is so great for both the SD and the SB, a real win-win. The pitfalls are easily manageable, but tough to see if you haven't been through it - that's what TERB is for though.
i enjoyed my times as an SD, and would do it again in a minute if I found another candidate.
Good luck - KK
I can see the logic in this kind of arrangement. Timing really works well for the girl. So, for this kind of arrangement, you are talking something like $5000 - $10,000 (for tuition) plus $15,000 - $20,000 (apartment) for a total of say $30,000. And this would get you laid what, once or twice a week? If its 60 times a year, that works out to $500 each time. Not exactly getting a wholesale price/bulk discount if you go with those numbers. But I may very well be way off with my estimates.
Your point is well taken with respect to assessing cost efficiency. The formula for me was different, and my situation is somewhat atypical:
My cost came in around 26k (cheaper apartment), in exchange for about 2 full weekends each month, call it 50 overnights. Now, overnights are my thing, what I enjoy the most. This worked well with the girls as I was not in their lives enough to become a PITA, and that my time with them when I did have it was exclusively mine. The vibe was very "long distance relationship", we only see each other every couple of weeks so we make the most of it, etc.
Also, I am not local to the GTA so popping in for a quick lay on the way home is not what I was after. If you're looking for hour or two sessions of sex spread evenly and variably across the week then my guess is it would be hard to make the math work, better off just to see SPs.
The big fit in my arrangements was that I didn't have to worry about variables in getting great sex the way I wanted, and the lady did not have to worry about variables in her living expenses. Close to zero stress when it's structured correctly.
Contact Dave Steele @ Torys (personal client services) tell him HOF referred you.
http://www.torys.com/OurExpertise/PracticeAreasandIndustryGroups/Pages/PersonalClientServices.aspx
If there is a 'business break-up', Sheila Block can help you out.
http://www.torys.com/OurExpertise/P...ups/Pages/LitigationandDisputeResolution.aspx
Take your pick!
http://www.torys.com/OurExpertise/PracticeAreasandIndustryGroups/Pages/PersonalClientServices.aspx
http://www.torys.com/OurExpertise/P...ups/Pages/LitigationandDisputeResolution.aspx
http://www.torys.com/OurExpertise/P...roups/Pages/EnvironmentalHealthandSafety.aspx
http://www.torys.com/OurExpertise/PracticeAreasandIndustryGroups/Pages/PensionandEmployment.aspx
That sounds like a great arrangement for both parties. However, even with the cheaper apartment, that is well beyond my personal SPing budget. But for someone that is looking to spend that kind of coin, it seems like a good way to go.
I was more interested in livluvlaf's opinion, since he apparently thinks its a good idea to see a lawyer before entering into a SB/SD relationship. I'm not really interested in browsing the Torys website. If you also think its a good idea, then feel free to tell us what you think.
Then anyone know of a hot female lawyer who provides legal advice and a fuck for Tory's said fees? I want good bang for my buck. No pun intended.And they charge more than SPs
Hahahaha! Someone actually browsed Tory's website for this shit??!! Tory's services major corporations and wouldn't touch this stuff with the proverbial barge-pole.
There is no reason why you would lawyer up for this. It strikes me both the guy and the lady would want to keep this contract strictly oral, so either could deny it when the shit hit the fan.
There is no reason why you would lawyer up for this. It strikes me both the guy and the lady would want to keep this contract strictly oral, so either could deny it when the shit hit the fan.
Wow! That was kinda expensive . Mine were quite cheap. The past 2 yrs, I had two U of T international students from Korea. Both of them dorm residents of U of T. I met them thru' CL ads. No contracts, nothing, just verbal hand shake agreements after the meeting. The first one cost me only $1300 a month and I got her for the weekends plus occasional lube service calls during the week. The second one was also a U of T graduate student trying to get her masters degree. It costed me $1700 a month, but I got 3-4 nights a week depends on her class schedules. Looks like a good deal to me. It costs me only about 300 bucks average for the overnight where the SPs are charging 12- 1500 for the night.
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Good work on getting a good deal while doing a good deed. (Helping them get by, not the other deed.)
now this is the kind of thing I am looking for as opposed to dropping 26 grand like the other guy!!! hmm I wonder if it could be done with the curvy blond at Western who is majoring in psychology hehehe
Local ladies are tough and greedy. International students are looking for local people to show them around the city plus to improve their English and much easier to deal with. No complications, no milking you around, no law suits or blackmailing. They just want somebody to show them around, get laid and get paid at the same time. Imagine taking them to high end spas up north for the weekend, they thought they were treated like a queen and treat you like a king in return. It works all the time for me.
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