The Bash Fuji Thread

[JohnLarue]

Put yourself on the line: Is it your view that someone else is choosing your morals for you? Or do you take responsibility for your own morality, at the end of the day?

You like to talk, but I can't fathom how you can disagree with the point that each and every one of us is ultimately the arbiter of our own morality.

Your idea that we cannot discuss morality because we all end up choosing for ourselves in the end is... inane.

Rational people like myself take into account
a) Societies norms
b) the affect our actions will have on others
c) the opinions of others

Rational people like myself do not try to
a) mislead, lie and cheat the ones we care about
b) dulude ourselfs with self-serving justifications for behaviour we know is immoral

 

[simon482]

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[Aardvark154]

I have heard a female judge saying regarding female adultery "when a woman is denied affection she will look for it elsewhere". (The guy was convicted for harassment.)

So it would seem that at least a female adultery is totally hunky dory.

What would ever make me think that you are giving us but a fraction of the story.

 

[FatOne]

Theft is also wide spread. Doesn't make it right.

Even more wide spread is that people don't like being cheated on. That is much more widespread than cheating. Open relationships are quite few in comparison.

Do onto others and all that jazz said many times many ways in many cultures including

Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law.

So I wonder where Fuji will have us line up to toss some sausage at his fictional wife.


Most people are also against hypocrisy. For example the hypocrisy of acting one way and expecting your wife to behave differently.

I would half suspect he would claim that he wouldn't care, but 1: of course not because he has never had a girlfriend, and 2: most [but not all] guys who say this are deceiving themselves.

 

[fuji]

Murder, Attempted Murder and Aggravated Assault certainly are quite common in certain locations.

Not in civilized societies, adultery on the other hand...

 

[fuji]

Theft is also wide spread. Doesn't make it right.

I don't believe that theft is commonplace. I think only a deviant minority steal, moreover whereas cheating becomes more common with power and money, theft becomes less common.

 

[fuji]

Where on earth do you get that idea.

Actually that isn't the case, in several Common Law jursidictions it is still a criminal offense.

Further to say that merely because something has been decriminalized means society thinks it is just hunky dory is total nonsense.

Americans also criminalize prostitution, embrace torture, ban gay marriage, and so on. Let's restrict the discussion to enlightened jurisdictions.

 

[fuji]

JL, I think laws are vaguely based on the lowest common denominator morality, the things everyone agrees on, despite their differences. There objectively appears to be no agreement that adultery should be subject to any sanctions by the state.

 

[fuji]

Rational people like myself take into account
a) Societies norms
b) the affect our actions will have on others
c) the opinions of others

Rational people like myself do not try to
a) mislead, lie and cheat the ones we care about
b) dulude ourselfs with self-serving justifications for behaviour we know is immoral

You are just repeating your ideology, apparently convinced that it is a truism. This is what I mean by your ideological narrow blindness.

Let me know if you ever have any reasons for the things that you think.

A morality based on principles is superior to mimicry.

 

[fuji]

Even more wide spread is that people don't like being cheated on. That is much more widespread than cheating. Open relationships are quite few in comparison.

Do onto others and all that jazz said many times many ways in many cultures including

Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law.

So I wonder where Fuji will have us line up to toss some sausage at his fictional wife.


Most people are also against hypocrisy. For example the hypocrisy of acting one way and expecting your wife to behave differently.

I would half suspect he would claim that he wouldn't care, but 1: of course not because he has never had a girlfriend, and 2: most [but not all] guys who say this are deceiving themselves.

I am strongly in favor of sexual hypocrisy. Better people are able to impose constraints on their sexual partners that they themselves avoid. You see it every day. The more desirable person in a relationship calls the shots and gets away with fucking around.

 

[Aardvark154]

Americans also criminalize prostitution, embrace torture, ban gay marriage, and so on. Let's restrict the discussion to enlightened jurisdictions.

Well SW1 you correctly predicted the lashing out.

 

[fuji]

BwaHaHaHaHa. ROTFLMAO. Oh for God's sake warn me when you are about to say something that stupid. I almost choked on my Wheaties. You are seriously the dumbest fuck there is on the planet.

I don't think anyone can be this dumb - EVER!!!!!!!!! Congratulations, you have made asses out of us all. You are a troll supreme.

I take it you dispute none of it and are hoping to cover the hole in your view with bluster.

In summary murder and theft are uncommon behaviors of desperate our deviant people, increasing with poverty and decreasing with wealth. Infidelity on the other hand is commonplace and ordinary, increasing with wealth and power. Moreover civilized societies like Canada have seen fit to criminally sanction murder and theft while infidelity is not sanctioned in any way and is merely recognized as grounds for ending a relationship.

 

[fuji]

I believe I saw that card in the Hallmark's Psychopathic Christmas collection.

Note the slip in the argument, though. For illustration, let 'female' be the 'sexual partner' and 'fuji' be the 'their' in the sentence.

Absolutely it's true. When I was in university I had a super hot girlfriend for one semester. She definitely was more attractive than I am and she absolutely leveraged that to cal all the shots. She went to her home town for christmas break and fucked her ex boyfriend. I got outraged but in the end took her back. Definitely she had the sexual power in that relationship and absolutely used it.

back then I was a starving student with only looks and personality with which to hook girls, now my succeess had made me more attractive and I am able to hold the upper hand but I have definitely been in relationships before where I was the weaker party, and felt it.

Debate all you want, anyone who is human knows exactly what I am talking about.

True, individuals are ultimately the moral agent of their own choices. But when we make those choices, we make them as parts of collectives. The error in Fuji's thinking is to grant that the outside world shapes our choices, but then to suppose that at the moment the individual chooses, the outside world vanishes

Nonsense, I don't appear that at all, you are having to misrepresent my statements to pretend that you have a counter argument. Plainly we do make our own choices in a social context. My social context includes Lawrence, Camus, Nietzche, and Herrick, as well as the observation that my peers commit infidelity regularly, and more often if they are higher status individuals. That is the context of my choice.

Wrong. Theft happens. Therefore embrace it, celebrate it, value it, not doing so is not life affirming. I channeled Fuji and, yes, it hurt.

More dishonesty. Intentionally ignoring my having told you the difference is dishonesty. Theft is not ordinary, and is less likely to be committed by higher status people, the opposite of infidelity.

 

[Aardvark154]

the difference is dishonesty.

Infidelity does not involve dishonesty?! I just love these bon mots

 

[FatOne]

I am strongly in favor of sexual hypocrisy. Better people are able to impose constraints on their sexual partners that they themselves avoid. You see it every day. The more desirable person in a relationship calls the shots and gets away with fucking around.

Yes Paul Bernardo, whatever you say. BTW are you finding the roughness you get in prison fun or do you just enjoy inflicting roughness on others, your sig line is a bit unclear on that part.
I guess I was right about you being full of shit, but I was wrong on the parents basement WoW idea. Do you miss Karla?


Funny, you keep making appeals to the majority view, the vast vast majority think hypocrisy is bad in all its forms, even those who engage in it.


At first I thought you were just expressing a fantasy life, but now I wonder if you are just putting all of us on.

 

[fuji]

Infidelity does not involve dishonesty?! I just love these bon mots

Sorry my sentence wasn't clear, "[Intentionally ignoring my having told you the difference] is dishonesty", I was commenting on his claim, and saying it was dishonest of him to pretend I hadn't explained the difference. The difference is that adultery is commonplace, and practiced more by higher status people. The phrase "is dishonesty" was an accusation.

 

[fuji]

Now hold-on a minute, you sneaky impudent little fuck-tard. I never, never, never, never, never, never, never, dragged murder into the discussion - ever, you sneaky, slimy scum of the earth. You look damned-carefully at the posts I have responded to, and I see nothing about murder in any of them.

My my what language. You sound like a sore loser. Others have mentioned murder, others have mentioned theft, sorry if I mixed you up with another poster, but it doesn't change the point.

I was laughing at how you said that infidelity increases based on one's wealth and power, and how theft becomes less likely with wealth and power, and that theft is committed by deviants.

Aside from Lindsay Lohan and her ilk, are you aware of a rash of home burglaries committed by millionaries? I'm not.

However, you deviant little prick (with an even more deviant little brain), don't you ever, and I mean ever, try to pull the wool over my eyes, and say that I was talking about murder, where there was no such reference of it, ever. That's below the belt even for a slimebucket of useless jizz like yourself.

You sure do sound awfully sore there.

 

[fuji]

Funny, you keep making appeals to the majority view

I haven't made any appeals to the majority view. What I have said is subtly different than that, although I can see that comprehending it would require a higher intellect than most posters on terb have, or have been willing to devote to the debate.

My assertion is not that adultery is a good thing because most people think so. My assertion is and always has been that a moral code is in and of itself anti-life if it prescribes against common, ordinary behavior. That is without regard to what the majority think, but rather, with regard to what is evidently ordinary behavior.

A whole society could have convinced itself that breathing is immoral, and everyone in that society could all be convinced of their own evil for continuing to breathe. In such a society the majority view would agree that breathing is wrong, but my point would be that such a morality would be anti-life, because it would be prescribing against something that all do--regardless of the majority view on the subject.

 

[JohnLarue]

JL, I think laws are vaguely based on the lowest common denominator morality, the things everyone agrees on, despite their differences. There objectively appears to be no agreement that adultery should be subject to any sanctions by the state.

You are missing the issue altogethrer
Laws are passed based upon a societies collective beliefs and morals.

Just because there is no specific law against adultery, it still is a socially unaccpetable behaviour.
To dismiss that as irrelavant implies you do not realy care about societies morals
You will at some point apply that self-rightous justification to some other activity contrary to societies morals and you will pay a heavy price


While you can not be fined or inprisioned for adultery, if you wife get a divorce lawyer, "getiing fucked" will have a whole new meaning for you

 

[JohnLarue]

I don't believe that theft is commonplace. I think only a deviant minority steal, moreover whereas cheating becomes more common with power and money, theft becomes less common.

Both actions display the same lack of respect for others.
Do not think for a second you are morally superior to common thief