If you got an SP pregnant, would you take responsibility for the child?

[JustSex]

Yup. And that's why we have laws. Because, from the poll, only about half of people would step up and do the morally correct thing. The other half have to be forced to by courts.

People with criminal minds, like themexi, scoff at the courts and feel they are superior to the system, that they know how not to get caught. Sometimes scofflaws like that get away with it. Sometimes they don't. Either way the rest of us look down on them.

So are you going to make 20,000 posts ignoring the Mods request to drop the name calling ? It would be a bitch to pull up short, wouldn't it ?

You are flogging a dead horse with your campaign to ignore all the SP's who have acknowledged that they have the understanding that that the customer should not be burdened with any responsibility for an unwanted pregnancy. The customers (save you) and the SP have already indicated that responsibility of a freak accident is assumed by them and that the issue of child rights will not exist because they are not going to go through a pregnancy. So child rights is not an issue, there will not be an adoption scenario and name calling texmex based on scenarios that simply do not exist is pointless.

Your statement 'the rest of us look down on them' is presumptuous and not factual since many of the SP's have commended texmex on the support for the abortion he is willing to give (i.e. beyond their expectations).

 

[fuji]

I am not the only one to point out that his viewpoint is how criminals think about it. Two lawyers here, rld and aardvark, made the same point. He has explicitly said that he thinks what he does is fine, and that the courts and the police are irrelevant, so long as he can avoid being caught. What would you call that?

I have stopped using harsh language, but I want to call a spade a spade, so tell me--is there a more polite way to put it? If so I'll use the preferred expression to say that the way someone is approaching the issue is a criminal way of approaching it.

 

[GPIDEAL]

and what is to stop me from getting a lawyer and demanding a DNA test then going after custody based on who would be the better parent.


Should I win then I go after support based on her ads

Nothing stops YOU, just saying that she doesn't have to sue you for your share as the father.

 

[papasmerf]

Nothing stops YOU, just saying that she doesn't have to sue you for your share as the father.

You are correct

the way the libs work is all you need is to be accused.

Wouldn't it make more sense to require proof?

 

[GPIDEAL]

Adoption is a viable choice but are you seriously advocating that someone be forced to give up their child? The TV images of mothers screaming and crying as the police forcibly carry off their children are not going to play well in the next election.

Adoption only works well if BOTH parents agree to it. If either parent isn't in favour of the adoption, then BOTH parents should be on the hook to look after the child. You can't adopt out half the responsibility, it's all or nothing.

Ditto!

 

[GPIDEAL]

You are correct

the way the libs work is all you need is to be accused.

Wouldn't it make more sense to require proof?

Oh, I think she'll need proof even for the FRO.

 

[papasmerf]

Oh, I think she'll need proof even for the FRO.

I would demand DNA

And if I am not the father I would subject her to a 1 million dollar suit

 

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I would demand DNA

And if I am not the father I would subject her to a 1 million dollar suit

check the hawaiin birth certificate

 

[papasmerf]

check the hawaiin birth certificate

Not enough to demand child support

She could have lied

 

[my name Peggy]

@JustSex"You are flogging a dead horse with your campaign to ignore all the SP's who have acknowledged that they have the understanding that that the customer should not be burdened with any responsibility for an unwanted pregnancy. The customers (save you) and the SP have already indicated that responsibility of a freak accident is assumed by them and that the issue of child rights will not exist because they are not going to go through a pregnancy"

Sorry but it isnt that cut and dry. Not all escorts behave as responsibly as the few(not all) that spoke up. First, do u think any girl here who would consider having the child should she get pregnant would PUBLICLY ADMIT IT?? Way to kiss your business goodbye...And second, you can't take hypothetical accounts of a few girls here as the final world because as it stands today, what is being discussed on this board isn't being parlayed in the real world.

In the real world, there are in fact escorts(and one night stands) that do get pregnant and they do keep the baby, fiancially motivated or not otherwise, hello! we wouldnt even be having this convo on whether or not the man 'is responsible' or 'should' have pay because it doesn't 'exist' right?
Most of them don't, true, but some of them do and yet they ALL were given the 'indication' not to get pregnant under the unpoken rule of "im paying for your time"..so therefore does this 'rule' really matter if it is in fact so easily broken and is being broken in reality? Not in the court of law it isn't so therefore not really. Anything after that fact is a moot point.

 

[Malibook]

And second, you can't take hypothetical accounts of a few girls here as the final world because as it stands today, what is being discussed on this board isn't being parlayed in the real world.

In the real world, there are in fact escorts(and one night stands) that do get pregnant and they do keep the baby, fiancially motivated or not otherwise, hello! we wouldnt even be having this convo on whether or not the man 'is responsible' or 'should' have pay because it doesn't 'exist' right?
Most of them don't, true, but some of them do and yet they ALL were given the 'indication' not to get pregnant under the unpoken rule of "im paying for your time"..so therefore does this 'rule' really matter if it is in fact so easily broken and is being broken in reality?

I'm sure this would be big news.
When was the last time an SP in Canada sued a John for child support?
How many times has this happened in the past 10 years, 20 years, or has it ever happened?

Or is this just a far-fetched hypothetical scenario for judgmental holier-than-thou preachers to blow their loads over themselves?

 

[rld]

I would demand DNA

And if I am not the father I would subject her to a 1 million dollar suit

So you think a Canadian court would award you $1,000,000 for a failed paternity case? I am in the wrong business...

 

[papasmerf]

So you think a Canadian court would award you $1,000,000 for a failed paternity case? I am in the wrong business...

we ae talking false accusations and slander

 

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we ae talking false accusations and slander

what is the slander?

 

[GG2]

Some men have dealt with unwanted pregnancies by kicking or punching the pregnant woman's stomach or tossing her down a flight of stairs. They wipe their hands clean of any burden that the pregnancy would have caused.

I'm not suggesting one should take this action. Just sayin'.

 

[genintoronto]

I think that this is where "ethical/moral" aspects runs square into the facts of the situation. Consider the ethical/moral responsibility of the child in this whole mess. The child has no responsiblity or duty to anyone. It did not ask to be born or brought into existence. All the moral/ethical duty and responsibilities lie on the TWO people who brought that child into existence. They both have obligations to the child. Despite strenous arguments to the contrary, I don't see how the duties to the child can ethically or morally be avoided.

I agree with you. And I agree with everyone who argue that the right of the child for support trumps any agreement or understanding between the parents. Once the child is there.

 

[my name Peggy]

@Malibook, What the heck does SUEING have to do with anything?? and where where did I make ANY mention of the guy BEING SUED there??? Don't put words in my mouth pleaseandthanks.

Obviously men don't want to bring this to light especially if he's married, or is a prominent business man(there are many in Canada and many see escorts), this would be over the news and public record which is exactly what they don't want, so it's being dealt with privately or with the courts involved but not in a public battle...hence why you don't hear about it...duh?? ..

I will concede that this doesn't occur very frequently as this is a very rare situation nor did I ever try to make it sound common place, or as a conspiracy theory, however I am acknowledging that is does happen period, when you have simply chosen to deny it completely on the basis of some escorts here saying what they would do hypothetically and as a "far-fetched hypothetical scenario for judgmental holier-than-thou preachers to blow their loads over themselves"..uhhh that was classy??

If you're asking me to provide further "proof' and case by case situations I can only offer you this:
Do you HONESTLY believe that when we hear about the politicans,athletes,actors,public figures who have to pay off escorts and impregnate them, this NEVER applies to the real world in ANY shape or form?? All these guys "paid' for them not to get pregnant too and yet here they are in the same situation. Shouldn't they have gotten off bc of this "unspoken rule"too??

Everything trickles down from the top, my point wasn't to say this happens daily but it DOES happen, however rare that may be. You keep denying it period.

You're still 'ASSUMING' that these men would chicken out like you under the faulty logic of it being the escorts "responsibility' ,her 'never getting pregnant period" and "well if someone here told me they would never do it, then I guess it doesn't happen"
However, reality dictates otherwise and most men understand the legal implications that they face or don't want to draw light into the situation and take care of it discreetly without feeling the need TO SUE to try and bail out if it..

For you to make the absurd rational that bc you didn't hear about a lawsuit, it NEVERS happens and is only used as a tool to be "judgmental" only further illustrates your naivety and cowardice towards the situation of wanting to bail out on the kid or because of the laughable "unspoken rule" you think you have in the bedroom that applies to the courtroom.

 

[themexi]

Some men have dealt with unwanted pregnancies by kicking or punching the pregnant woman's stomach or tossing her down a flight of stairs. They wipe their hands clean of any burden that the pregnancy would have caused.

I'm not suggesting one should take this action. Just sayin'.

If these bastards werent made to feel cornered by the lgal system with NO way out they might not feel they had to resort to such savagery....

I AM NOT EXCUSING THEM... simple explaination of cause & unintended consequences of well meaning but draconian laws.


the 3 strikes law for example occasionally results in a shopkeep or witness to a relatively minor crime being KILLED because the perp is on his 2nd strike & he'll get pretty much the same penalty for killing the guy for a better chance at not getting caught.

I would encourage those who don't want some random kid to FIRST avoid the sex thing, SECOND take ALL necessary birth control seriously & THIRD make sure the mom can never find your name & tag you.... NEVER physical harm...

That being said the penalty for some skid pushing his babymomma down the stairs might be over quicker than Child Support in a lot of cases...... Pressure cant escape it can explode

 

[Malibook]

All these guys "paid' for them not to get pregnant too and yet here they are in the same situation. Shouldn't they have gotten off bc of this "unspoken rule"too??

Everything trickles down from the top, my point wasn't to say this happens daily but it DOES happen, however rare that may be. You keep denying it period.

You're still 'ASSUMING' that these men would chicken out like you under the faulty logic of it being the escorts "responsibility' ,her 'never getting pregnant period" and "well if someone here told me they would never do it, then I guess it doesn't happen"
However, reality dictates otherwise and most men understand the legal implications that they face or don't want to draw light into the situation and take care of it discreetly without feeling the need TO SUE to try and bail out if it..

For you to make the absurd rational that bc you didn't hear about a lawsuit, it NEVERS happens and is only used as a tool to be "judgmental" only further illustrates your naivety and cowardice towards the situation of wanting to bail out on the kid or because of the laughable "unspoken rule" you think you have in the bedroom that applies to the courtroom.

It seems like you didn't even read my posts because you certainly did not comprehend them.

I have never seen so much ludicrous inaccurate bullshit allegedly attributed to my posts, and that is saying a lot with fuji here.
I don't even know where to begin, or if I should bother.

"has it ever happened?" is not a claim that it has never happened.

I don't recall claiming or implying that I would "chicken out".

You keep on assuming that people (apparently I am one of them) are making assumptions about a court proceeding but you can't provide a single example of this.

I think the customer has a moral obligation but that is up to the individual.
If he offers to take care of the abortion, DNA testing, and/or adoption, he has covered all of the outs and anything more should be optional, not that I would expect to win such an argument in court.

The amount of support should be in consideration to his income and be proportional to the amount of custody/visitation that he is given/offered.

I have had impaired spontaneous BBFSTC with a couple of dancers.
If one of them got pregnant I would hope for an abortion but if not I would provide some support but not on the level of an ex-wife.
I wouldn't expect to become a happy family or really be much a part of their lives although anything is possible.

Is she reasonable in terms of support and access or is she a greedy bitch who wants to allow no access and expects more than my ex-wife of several years with a couple of kids?
I might pay what she wants or I might see her in court.

 

[papasmerf]

what is the slander?

Ask wody