If you got an SP pregnant, would you take responsibility for the child?

[Dougal Short]

Yet another argument in favour of CIMSW... And I'm fixed. Not a chance this is happening to me!

All you guys in favour of "manning up" assume that the lady would want you in their lives. Most of the SPs I have come to know "well", would probably choose to raise the little wanker on their own. They are bright, have a plan, are fiercely independent and I suspect wouldn't have the time of day for most of us. We are but an means to an end.

 

[themexi]

Your "INTENDED kids"?? Then why have sex with someone you don't "intend" to have kids with? You do know that having sex, even "protected sex" can lead to kids, right? Take some responsibility for your your own sperm.

THIS IS AN ESCORT BOARD you fucking nitwit!!!!!

"why have sex with someone you don't "intend" to have kids with" indeed....

I'll say it again.... people Mostly hire the Services of an escort for HASSLE FREE sex with NO STRINGS attatched...

I AM taking responsibility with my own sperm... Instead of using some poor civie for sex & possibly hurting her feelings or having a "problem" like this When I'm in need to have sex with someone I don't intend to have kids with I hire a PRO....

FUCK YOU you judgemental... White Knight COCKSMOKER!

 

[fun-guy]

THIS IS AN ESCORT BOARD you fucking nitwit!!!!!

FUCK YOU you judgemental... White Knight COCKSMOKER!

One that has limited vocabulary or command of the English language to debate intelligently and logically usually reverts to name calling and foul words out of frustration, usually an admission of defeat. It's unfortunate because whatever sense you made in your post is lost with those nasty words.

I hear the winds of banning approaching.

 

[fuji]

Fuji - you are are a complete dweeb. This is not a boyfreined /girlfriend relationship, this is a business relationship.

Sex work crosses over a lot of lines. If you get her pregnant and she has the child it becomes a parental relationship. You can't compartmentalize a human being into non-existence by calling it a business relationship, you ARE the father, like it or not, if it happens.

 

[themexi]

One that has limited vocabulary or command of the English language to debate intelligently and logically usually reverts to name calling and foul words out of frustration, usually an admission of defeat. It's unfortunate because whatever sense you made in your post is lost with those nasty words.

Nope... my point's STILL there... if you want to use the hurtful verbage as an excuse to ignore the sense in them thats your choice.

[/QUOTE]I hear the winds of banning approaching.[/QUOTE]

Fucking BLOW ME. There's some fucking wind for you.

 

[Malibook]

THIS IS AN ESCORT BOARD you fucking nitwit!!!!!

"why have sex with someone you don't "intend" to have kids with" indeed....

I'll say it again.... people Mostly hire the Services of an escort for HASSLE FREE sex with NO STRINGS attatched...

I AM taking responsibility with my own sperm... Instead of using some poor civie for sex & possibly hurting her feelings or having a "problem" like this When I'm in need to have sex with someone I don't intend to have kids with I hire a PRO....

FUCK YOU you judgemental... White Knight COCKSMOKER!

Well said but don't hold back next time.

 

[fuji]

T"why have sex with someone you don't "intend" to have kids with" indeed....

I'll say it again.... people Mostly hire the Services of an escort for HASSLE FREE sex with NO STRINGS attatched...

Sorry but you're wrong. There is a string attached: If you have a child with her you are the father. That string is there, and while you may be so fucking selfish and morally repugnant that you don't agree the string should be there, it damn well SHOULD be there.

Fortunately we're talking about quite a rare event--a condom has to break, and she has to get pregnant. On top of that, she has to turn out to be one of those who don't believe in abortion.

However if those factors add up your claim that you have no responsibility for the human being you created is hogwash. You paid her to have sex with you, a couple of hundred dollars at most, you most certainly DID NOT pay her enough to raise your child without any further help from you.

 

[Aardvark154]

The day after pill only works if you have not ovulated . It stops ovulation so a child can not be consieved!

Hmm are you sure. It is my understanding that it works to block implantation in the uterus.

What you write of sounds like "the pill" not "morning after".

 

[Malibook]

What are the chances of an SP getting pregnant from a John and knowing it was him and who he is and wanting anything to do with him?

Or is this just a far-fetched hypothetical scenario for judgmental holier-than-thou preachers to blow their loads over themselves?

 

[JustSex]

Then why have sex with someone you don't "intend" to have kids with? You do know that having sex, even "protected sex" can lead to kids, right? Take some responsibility for your your own sperm.

Wow, I didn't know Terb is a board of intended fathers ! So if some nut case SP takes your sperm laden condom and uses it for herself and a few friends to get support money for drug money - your sperm - your problem right ? Screw that !

I think themex is taking too much heat for setting out and sticking to a purely business relationship. In the highly unlikely scenario that the SP does get pregnant, she should make her own decision with the knowledge that you or whoever the father is- is not part of it.

If the SP would like a different arrangement, she can request a business card or contact number at the start of the session should she need to contact you.

I'm guessing the self-righteous morally superior opponents of texmex have no life outside of the brothel or otherwise they wouldn't be leaving the future of their family and job in the hands of an SP. The reason we enter the business relationship is for sexual pleasure without commitment. To invent your own moralistic rules on other people is not valid in this board. Maybe you should be members of a Christian fundamentalist board and you can preach morality there.

 

[Malibook]

Married man refuses to pay prostitute child support

* Man paid prostitute for sex
* She gave birth to his baby
* He is refusing to pay child support

A MAN who paid a woman for sex is resisting child support requests after the prostitute had his baby.

The married Melbourne man argues the child is potentially a breach of the Trade Practices Act.

He told a federal magistrate he shouldn't have to pay for the inadvertent offspring given the circumstances of the conception, the Herald Sun reports.

The accidental dad - who can be referred to only by the pseudonym Mr Lilley - told magistrate Grant Riethmuller he'd had "a consumer transaction" with the child's mother.

Mr Lilley argued an implied term of the "contract" between clients and sex workers was that women would take measures to avoid pregnancy.

Mr Lilley told the court he was not disputing paternity.

The prostitute - known only by the pseudonym Ms Logan - did not appear in court, and details of her employer were not publicly revealed.

The magistrate heard Mr Lilley initially contributed about $100 a week towards the infant's upkeep under an informal arrangement with Ms Logan. The matter spilled into court in June after he lost his $140,000-a-year job and fell behind in the payments.

Mr Riethmuller heard the man already had a child with his ill wife, and was struggling to support his family financially after taking a hefty pay cut in a new job.

The man used the legal action to question whether the sex worker and the Federal Government's Child Support Agency had any right to chase him for money.

In an affidavit, he argued the woman's basis for seeking support was "fundamentally flawed" given her job.

But in a ruling issued this week, the magistrate said the circumstances of the conception made no difference to the child's entitlements under the Child Support Scheme.

The man was ordered to keep paying $100 a week until a likely appeal to the Social Securities Appeal Tribunal.

The magistrate noted the door might be open for the dad to launch legal action against the owners of the brothel or escort service - or the mother individually - for damages.

Sex without a condom is illegal in licensed Victorian brothels and escort agencies.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/mar...rt/story-e6frfkvr-1225765009352#ixzz1Kdh1Wxri

 

[fuji]

What are the chances of an SP getting pregnant from a John and knowing it was him

Very low chance that she's going to get pregnant, pretty high chance that she's going to know who it was if it happens. SP's inspect the condom at the end of the session. If it's broken she's going to notice that, and remember the guy, making note of his phone number of whatever other contact information she has.

and who he is and wanting anything to do with him?

She can apply for child support while still having essentially nothing to do with him. Many divorced parents want nothing to do with one another, while at the same time sharing support costs.

While as someone pointed out SP's tend to be pretty independent, the grinding poverty that usually comes with being a single mother can rapidly change opinions about that, especially if the mother is thinking about what's best for the child.

 

[Malibook]

I would think that such an accident is highly unlikely and it would be extremely unusual for an SP to want a random John's accidental bastard child.

However, if the SP is not on the pill, does not have a SO doing her, does not have any flings, has only one accident around that time, wants the John's kid, tracks him down and forces him to get a DNA test, gets a judgment for child support, and manages to collect on the judgment, then some child support would be appropriate.
The amount of support should be in consideration to his income and be proportional to the amount of custody/visitation that he is given/offered.

Perhaps the John can make the argument that he is a much better fit parent and can sue for custody and sue her for child support?

 

[fuji]

So Malibook I take a bit of issue with "tracks him down and forces him to get a DNA test, gets a judgement for child support, and manages to collect on the judgement".

She may not know your real name, but she has a phone number and possibly an email address for you, that you used to book her.

When it rings, and you answer, and she says, "Look, I think I might be pregnant with your child", if you force her to go through those extra steps you are absolutely a pathetic excuse for a human being. At that point why isn't your answer, "Really? I hope not. Let's go get a DNA test to make sure."

Why avoid your responsibility? Absolutely understand wanting to confirm it's really yours, but why would she have to *force* you to go through all those steps? Why would you intentionally avoid responsibility for your own children?

 

[Malibook]

I did not claim what I would do as I don't know what I would do.
I could just as easily claim to be a hypothetical holier-than-thou judgmental preacher but talk is cheap, some much more so than others.

I think the odds of such a situation arising are so remote that if I did get such a call I would think it is highly likely to be bullshit.
Plus it would depend on the circumstances.
Like did I even blow my load in her or did I notice and pull out and the claim is based on pre-cum.

I have had impaired spontaneous BBFSTC with a couple of dancers.
If one of them got pregnant I would hope for an abortion but if not I would provide some support but not on the level of an ex-wife.
I wouldn't expect to become a happy family or really be much a part of their lives although anything is possible.

 

[fuji]

MB, say you had a session with an SP and at the end you notice that the condom has broken, so you know you did cum inside her. Then a few weeks later she calls you and tells you she thinks she's pregnant. She also tells you that she thinks abortion is immoral and she intends to keep the child. She wants your support in raising the child, but does not want to have a relationship with you otherwise. What's your answer?

My answer is I would absolutely insist on a DNA test to confirm it's my kid, but if it was, I'd not only offer to support the child, I'd try and insist on being a part of his or her life, regardless of what relationship, or non-relationship, I had with the mother.

 

[Malibook]

Again my answer would depend on the circumstances.

Is she a regular who I consider a nice decent human being or is she a first timer whack job who I think would be an unfit mother and a nightmare for the child and I?

Is she reasonable in terms of support and access or is she a greedy bitch who wants to allow no access and expects more than my ex-wife of several years with a couple of kids?

I might offer to pay for the DNA test or I might insist that she pays with me paying half if the results are positive.

I might pay what she wants or I might see her in court.

I might suggest that she put the child up for adoption or I might do everything I can to have the child taken away from her and put up for adoption or I might go for shared or full custody for myself.

I could just as easily claim to have a righteous fuji answer that fits all situations but it would be about as credible as the keyboard warriors who talk so tough online.

 

[wet_suit_one]

Hmmm....

Very interesting discussion. It really makes it clear how no matter how much we try to, you cannot neatly compartmentalize sexual relations of any sort. Also, from a factual standpoint, your sperm don't really give a shit what the nature of the deal was that got them to the egg. They will get to that egg or die trying come hell or high water. Any sexual transaction of any sort must take this fact into account. It seems that some of you aren't.

Also, for the record, in law, child support is the right of the child not the mother. The mother can enforce the right on behalf of the child, but right belongs to the child not the mother. While the mother is the legal guardian (i.e. parent) of the child and spends the money on the child's behalf (however that turns out), the right to child support is the right of the child. Those who advocate or argue make it damn hard to be found seem to understand this. The law doesn't give a fuck about how the child came into the world. The law cares about the child getting its fair due from dear old dad, whomever that may be and however dad became dad.

The Australian case reported above would basically be the same result in Canada. There is no way you would be off the hook in law.

For my part, I'm basically neutered and it would take a lot more than a broken for me to impregnate someone. More planning and deliberate action is required for me to get woman pregnant. Therefore, it's been bareback sex for 14 months with the girlfriend and no kids! Yay me! No pill for her, no condom for me, no kids for us unless we want one! Woo hoo!

 

[fuji]

Is she a regular who I consider a nice decent human being or is she a first timer whack job who I think would be an unfit mother and a nightmare for the child and I?

Let's say you only saw her once and you don't really know what kind of person she is "in real life", just like she knows pretty much nothing about you.

Let's leave aside the "how much" debate, do you accept in principle that you have responsibility for the child? In other words, even if you don't agree with her on the amount of support that is due, do you agree that you have some obligation to provide adequate support for the needs of that child, for some reasonable definition of adequate?

 

[genintoronto]

In any other contexts that I can think of right now, I'm of the opinion that biology being what it is, the time for a guy to make a choice regarding parental responsibilities is BEFORE he puts his dick in a pussy.

However, in this context, I believe that "no-strings-attached" is part of the package that guys pay for when hiring an escort. In my perspective, the premium that clients pay me for comes with an understanding that our responsibilities to each other start and end within the boundaries of paid-for-time. Clients pay for a fantasy, which in my opinion means a girlfriend who is always happy to see them, always perfectly groomed and coiffed, never bitches about her day, always wants to fuck and suck cock, and importantly, doesn't accidentally get pregnant and expect that the guy take responsibility for the child.