If you got an SP pregnant, would you take responsibility for the child?
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mexi-dude, there's really no need for the profanity and names, just make your point without the extra drama.
Hey themexi, I hate when fathers or men are treated like mere wallets too, but the law has evolved to this.You're right. It is a bad example.
However I disagree with society on this. At the point where ALL executive decision-making is taken from me is where my ALL responsibility ends.
I cannot & will not accept responsibility for consequences of choices made SOLELY by others. I don't CARE what society or the law thinks about this.
Society & Laws have in Many cases put unfair burdens on people. Like many other classes of people before me I simply do NOT recognize the auythority of either in this instance & insofar as I am able to, I will guard the right of choice I reserve for myself & live as I please. I maintain that they only have power over me if I fail & let them take it.
It's unfortunate that the lady decided to A) have the kid & B) keep the kid. That's on them though as I have no say & therefore no moral responsibility. If I had any say in the matter the kid would not be in that situation.
Now, as much as we can't judge a woman's right to abort, how can we judge her right not to abort?
Therefore, we can't judge or impose upon a woman who chooses to carry the child to term, and therefore that means we can't impose upon her the sole burden of rearing this child due to an accident.
I agree sir.Hey themexi, I hate when fathers or men are treated like mere wallets too, but the law has evolved to this.
Now, as much as we can't judge a woman's right to abort, how can we judge her right not to abort?
Therefore, we can't judge or impose upon a woman who chooses to carry the child to term, and therefore that means we can't impose upon her the sole burden of rearing this child due to an accident.
MY position on the abortion debate is "right to choose"
I have already said that if it came to that accept her right to choose but if it is a decision, it's on her... If it's Medical I would gladly assist TIL the kid is born.
However AFTER THAT POINT there is adoption. IF she chooses to keep the child at THAT point? Sorry, it's 100% on her then & there's NO reasonable argument to compel me to participate after that
Unfortunately, and with all due respect SweetSerenity, your reasoning may be too simplistic. I don't like divorced men being treated like wallets just as much as any other guy, but....If an SP doesn't think abortion is an option for religious/moral reasons, that is fine, but in that case she is making the choice to keep the child on her own, and the client is no longer responsible for the child. If the client is not allowed to force upon the SP his belief that she should get an abortion, then she should not be allowed to force upon him her belief that she should keep and raise the child. Simple logic.
If we respect the right of a woman to have an abortion, we must respect her right NOT to have an abortion.
Therefore, the child came into this world as a result of an 'accident', not because she decided to have it.
To force the woman in this case to bear the sole burden of rearing this child would be to punish her for NOT having an abortion.
If society doesn't punish women for having abortions, then they shouldn't punish them for NOT having them either, under the laws of the land.
Unfortunately, and with all due respect SweetSerenity, your reasoning may be too simplistic. I don't like divorced men being treated like wallets just as much as any other guy, but....
If we respect the right of a woman to have an abortion, we must respect her right NOT to have an abortion.
Therefore, the child came into this world as a result of an 'accident', not because she decided to have it.
To force the woman in this case to bear the sole burden of rearing this child would be to punish her for NOT having an abortion.
If society doesn't punish women for having abortions, then they shouldn't punish them for NOT having them either, under the laws of the land.
Sir,
You seem to be totally ignoring ADOPTION here.
If she has some moral or medical reason to Have to keep the pregnancy that's fine. She NeeDN'T be penalized for choosing not to have an abortion.
However. ADOPTION is a viable CHOICE.
This is where it enters into the totally 100% HER CHOICE department whe it's ON HER to live with the consequences of her choices ALONE
Calm down, Mexi. Fuji seems to run amuck lately. this is one of the examples.You keep spouting off the SAME innane bullshit.
You call another selfish when YOUR way of dealing with it takes away not only from YOUR life but that of your wife`s at LEAST.
You DARE to speak of conducting yourself with a "moral compass" "duty" &"honor", in a situation that could only happen as a result of you being BALLS DEEP IN SOMEONE WHO`S NOT YOUR WIFE!!!!!!
The Lawyers will make more $ & courts will have a better chance of raping YOU than I if your WIFE ever catches your ass or tires of you fucking around or simply wants a MAN in her bed.
edited as per moderater`s polite request
And there is another one.
You think she'd be hopping mad or she would be hopping mad? She would be validated to be mad don't you think?I would tell her straight up that I've got a child by another woman, that I don't have much connection to that woman, but that I feel duty bound to take responsibility for my child, and that I'll be doing that.
I think she would be hopping mad. Whether she would stay or leave I don't know, she would surely spend some time making that decision, and I guess that would be up to her in the end.
Good thing it's not a likely scenario! But we don't always get to choose what life throws our way, we only get to choose how we deal with it.
You could be in the position of being a new father, who is separated and on the way to divorce requiring alimony, and the birth mother who wants child support or shared custody. What would your gf/mistress/concubines think? Would they be wanting babies?
We don't always get to choose what happens. It most instances, we do choose what happens whether it's right or wrong is the question.
We can't force women to have abortions or not have abortions, nor can we force them to give up their offspring for adoption unless you can prove she's an unfit mother.I agree sir.
MY position on the abortion debate is "right to choose"
I have already said that if it came to that accept her right to choose but if it is a decision, it's on her... If it's Medical I would gladly assist TIL the kid is born.
However AFTER THAT POINT there is adoption. IF she chooses to keep the child at THAT point? Sorry, it's 100% on her then & there's NO reasonable argument to compel me to participate after that
If there's no adoption, I would say that she MUST assist in contributing to the welfare of the child because it's child support, not spousal support. So the guy shouldn't be paying 100%.
I think under the law, you would be compelled to assist regardless of her decision to keep the child, so arguing this is academic.
It is a viable choice - absolutely (and I would be promoting it too if I didn't want that child), but you can't force her to accept adoption either (see my last reply to you).Sir,
You seem to be totally ignoring ADOPTION here.
If she has some moral or medical reason to Have to keep the pregnancy that's fine. She NeeDN'T be penalized for choosing not to have an abortion.
However. ADOPTION is a viable CHOICE.
This is where it enters into the totally 100% HER CHOICE department whe it's ON HER to live with the consequences of her choices ALONE
Sorry guy, ladies & mods....Calm down, Mexi. Fuji seems to run amuck lately. this is one of the examples.
And there is another one.
I snap sometimes at the BS $*&$*$$*%^$%&($&$&^$$*$*$**&$*%&$%*$*^$*^$*^$%&##*#*&#*#&*$%&*%*^%^*s like this crank out endlessly.
It`s because of enablers like THIS that we have so many scumbags out there gaming the system, out on bail, Popping out more & more bastards to illiterate babymommas, most destined to be nothing but social$ drains & criminals than ever before.
If more people had fewer safety nets for bad decisions there would be less bullshit. I lay a LOT of the crap we see on the nightly news squarely at the feet of the "compassionate" "I`m ok, you`re OK" crowd.
And how exactly is she harmed? A little sexual jealousy? She may have to go find a new husband? How is that on the same level as abandoning a child?You call another selfish when YOUR way of dealing with it takes away not only from YOUR life but that of your wife's at LEAST.
I don't expect you to understand any of this of course--I know you're not a decent human being. You're something far, far less.
We can't force women to have abortions or not have abortions, nor can we force them to give up their offspring for adoption unless you can prove she's an unfit mother.
If there's no adoption, I would say that she MUST assist in contributing to the welfare of the child because it's child support, not spousal support. So the guy shouldn't be paying 100%.
I think under the law, you would be compelled to assist regardless of her decision to keep the child, so arguing this is academic.
Having a kid by someone they have Zero expaectation of standing up as a PROPER father & then choosing to KEEP it without the resources to do it on their own IS UNFIT.
I KNOW under the law, I would be compelled to assist regardless of her decision to keep the child, Thats why I would take GREAT pains to make it impossible to find me. If I can't be found, I can't be factored into her decision & she wll have to live with her decision as it SHOULD be.
We differ in opinion sir.
I simply WILL NOT succumb to social or legal coersion to assume responsibility beyond my ability to make a decision in the matter. The Fact that I have ZERO decision making ability in a situation in my opinion absolves me from responsibility. I assert that right as best as I am able to & if I have to break an unjust law or Ten I will happily do so with clear conscence.
I do understand if you disagree.
Wow, you really care about your wife there dont you?And how exactly is she harmed? A little sexual jealousy? She may have to go find a new husband? How is that on the same level as abandoning a child?
I don't expect you to understand any of this of course--I know you're not a decent human being. You're something far, far less.
Is Your wife any less a human than some kid?
Real class act telling ANYONE that theyre less than you.
I don't care if people cheat on their wives.... It's your moralizing that makes you look like a hypocritical fool
Excellent reference MB!But in a ruling issued this week, the magistrate said the circumstances of the conception made no difference to the child's entitlements under the Child Support Scheme.
The man was ordered to keep paying $100 a week until a likely appeal to the Social Securities Appeal Tribunal.
The magistrate noted the door might be open for the dad to launch legal action against the owners of the brothel or escort service - or the mother individually - for damages.
From reading this article, it seems the legal issue is distinct from the argument put forth by themexi and SweetSerenity (her choice to keep the child means she shoulders the burden 100%), I suppose the customer can sue the escort perhaps for breach of contract or negligence in an equivalent amount of damages equal to what he's been ordered to pay.
If he were to win such a lawsuit, this means that escorts would have to indemnify customers for accidental pregnancies from the financial consequences of child support laws (unless an escort asks you for a waiver, he he).
I'm just having fun making Fuji look like a fool.
It's going on reptition 54 of his BS though & he's the only one it seems that cares for his opinion
I'm bored with him.
I've always thought that should be a no brainer.Excellent reference MB!
From reading this article, it seems the legal issue is distinct from the argument put forth by themexi and SweetSerenity (her choice to keep the child means she shoulders the burden 100%), I suppose the customer can sue the escort perhaps for breach of contract or negligence in an equivalent amount of damages equal to what he's been ordered to pay.
If he were to win such a lawsuit, this means that escorts would have to indemnify customers for accidental pregnancies from the financial consequences of child support laws (unless an escort asks you for a waiver, he he).
Used to be that Marriage was the only guarantee for child support... Not married? Dont fuck them.
I see where this is unfair in MOST cases now but in the end the instituton of marriage has become a joke...
Just ask fujis WIFE
You failed at answering the question. How much harm is done to someone via sexual jealousy? Exactly how are they harmed?Wow, you really care about your wife there dont you?
Is Your wife any less a human than some kid?
Real class act telling ANYONE that theyre less than you.
I don't care if people cheat on their wives.... It's your moralizing that makes you look like a hypocritical fool
My claim is that there's more harm done in being laid off from a job, or any other number of unpleasant things in life. In other words, no real harm.
