I agree that this assurance should be a part of the package that is being paid for.
Getting knocked up and going after a customer for child support is a ridiculous business practice.
If you got an SP pregnant, would you take responsibility for the child?
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Getting knocked up and going after a customer for child support is a ridiculous business practice.
I would assume that you support abortion and see that as a valid option for you. Do you think that a woman should not work as an SP if she believes abortion to be immoral?
Without sidelining too much into the abortion issue, I support real choice there. I recognize that different people have different beliefs, and I think that whatever a woman's belief on the issue is, her choice should be respected. It seems to me that saying an SP who got knocked up accidentally because a condom broke--and let's face it, while it's rare, it does happen--to say that because she was paid $150 for a half hour of her time that she should now have to raise that child on her own without any recourse, or alternately to be economically forced into an abortion that she herself personally believes to be wholly unethical, well that seems harsh and unfair, not only to the SP, but also to the child.
The child is not an abstract quantity here--the client really is the actual honest to god father of that child. It's his own flesh and blood.
I think this is a risk of the trade.
If the condom breaks and the SP catches a nasty disease and can't work, is the customer responsible for her medication and lost potential earnings?
It's not like SP's specify in the ad that they will not get pregnant and go after the customer for child support.
This is understood as a part of the business deal (package/contract).
If an SP is against abortion, adoption, birth control pills, and day after pills, and she would hold a customer liable for an accident and her reckless negligence, then she should make this known as this would not be a presumed standard business practice.
If the condom breaks and the SP catches a nasty disease and can't work, is the customer responsible for her medication and lost potential earnings?
It's not like SP's specify in the ad that they will not get pregnant and go after the customer for child support.
This is understood as a part of the business deal (package/contract).
If an SP is against abortion, adoption, birth control pills, and day after pills, and she would hold a customer liable for an accident and her reckless negligence, then she should make this known as this would not be a presumed standard business practice.
Yes, I do think that abortion is a valid option. But that's irrelevant.
Whether or not an SP believe that abortion is a valid option, her responsibility is to ensure that she does not get pregnant, unless she is willing to deal with the (very unlikely) consequences of an undesired pregnancy. This would mean for instance using more than one form of contraception: for example, a combination of condom and an IUD, condom and the pill, or condom and injectable contraceptive. The chance of getting pregnant when using a combination of contraceptives are close to none.
I should also mention that I replied to your question based on a scenario involving an SP who is working in the industry based on her own (relatively free) choice, and working in the higher end of the industry. This assumes that the SP has easy and affordable access to proper reproductive health care and information. Obviously, this is not representative of the majority of women in the industry, but my comment was based on the scenario which I think would be the most representative of the Terb population (both SP and clients).
I agree that the child is innocent and should be cared for but each case must be weighed on it's own factors.
Getting pregnant and giving birth doesn't make a woman qualified to be a good mother.
Perhaps he would be a much better parent and he should get custody and she should pay him support.
I think the customer has a moral obligation but that is up to the individual.
If he offers to take care of the abortion, DNA testing, and/or adoption, he has covered all of the outs and anything more should be optional, not that I would expect to win such an argument in court.
You certainly ARE, you poor brainwashed pussy, but not about This.
That's YOUR opinion. It may also be th opinion of the "justice" system but it's NOT MINE.
Not if she can't tie it on me there isn't. As I said I reccomend to everyone to be as cautious as possible to avoid this unfortunate thing happening inthe 1st place. ALSO to bevery bit as cautious in traceability. Best of luck finding me.
I think I'll vote Conservative now, just to toughen up the laws and make sure that crooks like themexi are incarcerated as they should be. What a horribly pathetic excuse for a human being. Morally repugnant. You are a selfish cad with no moral compass.
Whatever you think of HER (all in caps) as peggy pointed out once there's a child involved it's not about YOU (all in caps) and it's not about HER (all in caps) it's about [size=+3]YOUR CHILD[/size] (all in caps, bold, red, and larger).
Whatever you think of HER (all in caps) as peggy pointed out once there's a child involved it's not about YOU (all in caps) and it's not about HER (all in caps) it's about [size=+3]YOUR CHILD[/size] (all in caps, bold, red, and larger).
Look at the board you're on & tell me that makes any sense.
Ok
YOUR opinion means dick to me
At least I'm honest with myself... Do you have a wife?
THE child.
I accept 1/2 reponsibility for the condition of pregnancy, To the point where th Plan B or Abortion is on my dime. Happy to make right a sad circumstance
I accept partial reponsibility for her care if for some reason she CAN'T (NOT won't) terminate the pregnancy. It's only fair if she REALLY has no CHOICE but to go through with the pregnancy (beliefs don't count) that I help out & keep hr more comfortable.
However
I accept ZERO RESPONSIBILITY if she stupidly decides to keep a child she can't support on her own under these circumstances.
FUCK that.
NOT going to happen.
I would do my best to be proactive & responsible in preventing this from happening in the first place. If for some reason it did anyway, I'd be fair as far as fairness allows. So IF I can protect my anonymity & therefore protect myself from BULLSHIT like this I will do anything & everything in my power to do so.
NO amount of RED caps will fill the HUGE gaps in your logic.
if your cab is in an accident while you are a passenger would you assume the responsibility?
Ladies talk about the "ARRANGEMENTS" and as such are the driver.
Ladies talk about the "ARRANGEMENTS" and as such are the driver.
No, themexi, it is not "the child", it is YOUR CHILD. Your DNA. Your child. You don't like it? As others have pointed out--too bad. Tell it to the judge. Few agree with your broken moral compass.
You can sit there and mouth off that "beliefs don't count" but you're wrong, they do. It's her body, and it's up to her to decide whether to keep or terminate YOUR child.
You can sit there and mouth off that "beliefs don't count" but you're wrong, they do. It's her body, and it's up to her to decide whether to keep or terminate YOUR child.
THE child. My misused DNA. By her CHOICE not mine. For it to be MY child, in any way that counts... it needs my name & I protect that.
Umm a Judge doesn't have the chance to enter into it if I did a good enough job keeping myself to myself. You lot can't force shit on me in that case can you?
Her beliefs are her concern. It's not up to me to force mine & their consequences on her NOR HER ON ME. Nor YOU on me for that matter. Eat shit all you like just don't hand me the spoon.
Her body, her choice... HER RESPONSIBILITY.
Seriously..... What the fuck do you NOT understand????
I KNOW the womans legal right to choose is the ONLY one given any respect
I KNOW how a judge would FUCK me
I KNOW the consequences
Which is why IF I were in such a situation I would take prevention VERY seriously
IF that failed my plan B is ANONYMITY. In law & "Justice" I can only be fucked if they find me so I would be VERY VERY careful NOT to let that happen.
Don't like it? Tough. WTF are you gonna do to FORCE your beliefs on me??? Yet another situation where you likely find yourself impotent.
Well said MB as to the considerations for offering assistance or support. I'd like to add that if she is planning to have an abortion, that the customer might do what he can to help defray some costs or lost time, since having an abortion can still take an emotional, psychological and physical toll for her, especially if it's the first time. This is easier of course for single guys to do but always a nervous time for all.
This is hardly an analogy.
There's a kid involved, and society's laws place the burden equally on the biological parents.
Agreed. It's only proper to be fair & accommodating to a point.
This is a human being after all & if all she's asking for is a fair amount of compensation it's the decent thing to do. Any worker or entertainer would deserve the same courtesey.
You're right. It is a bad example.
However I disagree with society on this. At the point where ALL executive decision-making is taken from me is where my ALL responsibility ends.
I cannot & will not accept responsibility for consequences of choices made SOLELY by others. I don't CARE what society or the law thinks about this.
Society & Laws have in Many cases put unfair burdens on people. Like many other classes of people before me I simply do NOT recognize the auythority of either in this instance & insofar as I am able to, I will guard the right of choice I reserve for myself & live as I please. I maintain that they only have power over me if I fail & let them take it.
It's unfortunate that the lady decided to A) have the kid & B) keep the kid. That's on them though as I have no say & therefore no moral responsibility. If I had any say in the matter the kid would not be in that situation.
Breaking the Law, however stupid that law may be, is all it takes to make someone a criminal.Technically that's a glass house you can't throw stones in...
Again your opinion doesn't mean fuck all if you can't enforce it.
But you are fun to taunt & your Many inadequacies in logic & otherwise are a joy expose for all to see.
All you can do now is repeat the same tired nonsense. What else you got?
Sure, if your attitude is "fuck you all I am so smart I will never get caught" you can go on with your shitty attitude and your broken moral compass and your pathetic life thinking you have it all figured out. I look forward to your future terb post asking for advice on choosing a good lawyer. A real man wouldn't need courts to force him to do the right thing. It's because of scum like you that we have to have laws and courts.
It's not all bad though... oagre seems like a nice enough guy, and guys like you keep him well employed.
It's not all bad though... oagre seems like a nice enough guy, and guys like you keep him well employed.
Ok, at first I thought themexi was being a scumbag who didn't want anything to do with something he was partially responsible for. However, after reading through his posts I noticed that this is not the case, as fuji is attempting to make it seem. What themexi says is true. He is offering to help with the cost of the abortion should one be needed(to late for a morning after pill), and in the event that the young lady has a reason(medical problem) why she absolutely cannot get an abortion, he is then willing to take responsibility. To me this makes him a responsible, logical person, not the morally bankrupt scum-sucker fuji is trying to make him out to be.
If an SP doesn't think abortion is an option for religious/moral reasons, that is fine, but in that case she is making the choice to keep the child on her own, and the client is no longer responsible for the child. If the client is not allowed to force upon the SP his belief that she should get an abortion, then she should not be allowed to force upon him her belief that she should keep and raise the child. Simple logic.
If an SP doesn't think abortion is an option for religious/moral reasons, that is fine, but in that case she is making the choice to keep the child on her own, and the client is no longer responsible for the child. If the client is not allowed to force upon the SP his belief that she should get an abortion, then she should not be allowed to force upon him her belief that she should keep and raise the child. Simple logic.
