Why Religion Fails

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blackrock13

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sidebanger;3431756[B said:
]Hatred and disdain for destructive religions[/B], and specifically those people who use religion for nefarious purposes. That would include some jews and blacks btw. You defend it all. So precious.
What destructive religions are you referring to? If I'm putting the accent on the wrong syllable, what are some of the non destructive religions or are you taking the position that all religions are destructive?

I've not ever taken RIDs position as defending these 'destructive' religions, just the right for someone who feels a need to practice a divine based religion to practice them. This right must be important to a lot of people as it a basis for many countries laws, Constitutions, and Bills of Rights. His position is certainly not as way out as those in this thread that paint all religions with the same extreme brush and calling any who defend them as weak, malicious, or contributors to the all the horrors that have been perpetrated in the name of God since time immemorial.
 

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The church takes a hard stand on issues until they realize the battle is being lost then they eventually capitulate. All in the name of maintaining control, not because of interest in adapting. They wouldn't if they didn't have to. Pathetic, yes.
I don't know what Church you grow up with, but mine was nothing like you describe. When I think of the things we talked about, places we discovered and people we meat under the guidance of my ministers and church leaders, it certainly was that restrictive. Damn those Presbyterians.
 

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Counseling Student's Religious Demands Are Out Of Line, Says Americans United

A public university does not have to accommodate a student in a counseling program who refuses to help clients who are in romantic relationships that contradict her religious beliefs, Americans United for Separation of Church and State has told a federal appeals court.

Americans United filed a friend-of-the-court brief with the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Feb. 11 on behalf of Eastern Michigan University, arguing that the Constitution permits the university to dismiss a student from its graduate program for refusing to counsel a gay client as part of an advanced course.

“Public universities are expected to serve the whole community,” said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, Americans United executive director. “They have every right to set up non-discrimination policies that serve the public interest.

“Professional ethics standards forbid counselors to discriminate on the basis of their personal religious beliefs,” Lynn continued. “The university has done the right thing by requiring its students to uphold those standards and treat all clients fairly and equally. We hope the appeals court agrees.”

Julea Ward, a self-described “orthodox Christian,” filed a lawsuit against the university, alleging that school officials violated her free speech and religious liberty rights. Represented by the Alliance Defense Fund, she claims she cannot “affirm any behavior that goes against what the Bible says” and would always refer to other counselors “all clients who seek counseling for sexual relationship issues she believes to be against the teachings of the Bible.”

A lower federal court ruled in favor of the university in July 2010. The court upheld the university’s right to adhere to the American Counseling Association Code of Ethics and Standards of Practice and the American School Counselor Association Ethical Standards for School Counselors.

These standards, which all accredited counseling programs must adhere to, prohibit “imposing values that are inconsistent with counseling goals” and “discrimination based on…sexual orientation.” So-called “reparative therapy,” which seeks to change an individual’s sexual orientation,” is regarded as ineffective and potentially harmful.

During a formal university hearing over this matter, Ward admitted she disagreed with the standards and would not be willing to follow them when they contradicted her religious beliefs.

Americans United’s brief asserts that Ward’s religious liberty and free speech rights were not violated by the university. Ward, as a professional degree student, was counseling university clients under a university professor’s license, and therefore was acting as an employee of the public university, AU’s brief states.

The Constitution, says Americans United, prohibits government employees acting in their official duties from imposing religious beliefs on others.

“The First Amendment does not prevent states from promoting a client’s needs over his provider’s religious agenda; a public-university counseling program may train its students to practice accordingly,” asserts AU’s brief.

Explained the AU brief, “A university would not be required to graduate a Jehovah’s Witness whose religious views prevented him from providing his clinical patients with necessary blood transfusions – even if he aced his written anatomy exam. Likewise, the University was entitled to expel [Ward] because her religious views prevented her from counseling clinical patients who wanted to discuss non-marital sex – no matter how sophisticated her work in the classroom.”

Americans United’s brief in Ward v. Wilbanks et. al. was drafted by AU Litigation Counsel Gregory M. Lipper and AU Legal Director Ayesha N. Khan.

Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans about the importance of church-state separation in safeguarding religious freedom.

http://www.au.org/media/press-releases/archives/2011/02/public-university-is-not.html
 

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this is the most boring thread on terb ever.

can the moderators put a bullet in it?
 

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this is the most boring thread on terb ever.

can the moderators put a bullet in it?
AGREED!
It's an unwinnable argument. If it hasn't been settled in the past 2000 years, no way it's going to be settled in a thread on an escort review board.
 

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One idea that's been mentioned before, if you don't like it don't read it. There are one or two other threads on this BB.
sure. but i can also post my opinion that this largely cut and paste thread with almost no original input or thought from the combatants is boring and should be stopped.
 

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sure. but i can also post my opinion that this largely cut and paste thread with almost no original input or thought from the combatants is boring and should be stopped.
It is the Lounge, an open forum with few rules, so of course you can. Knock yourself out.

 

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Hatred and disdain for destructive religions, and specifically those people who use religion for nefarious purposes. That would include some jews and blacks btw. You defend it all. So precious.
I defend the right to think and believe freely.

I believe in respecting my neighbours even though they are different from me. I have come to learn different is not always inferior or dangerous.

And if you were honest, and read what I posted, you would know that I abhor fundamentalists and radicals of all stripes. Including people like you.

I don't see the world coming to an end because someone's light is too bright. I don't lie to make a point.
 

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The church takes a hard stand on issues until they realize the battle is being lost then they eventually capitulate. All in the name of maintaining control, not because of interest in adapting. They wouldn't if they didn't have to. Pathetic, yes.
What is pathetic is your guesswork and projection.

What evidence to you have that the process you describe is what lead to religious change?

Your personal emotional issues are leading you to argue absurdities and make you a hypocrit. If you don't change you are bad, if you change and it hurts my bias, you are bad, if I don't know why you changed I will make something up and call you bad...do you realize how infantile and egocentric your approach is?
 

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More Cut&Paste and no comments. You and Danmand should get a room.
Not only does he just cut and paste...the safest thing he can do because when he actually comments he gets caught lying...he just posts one side of a lawsuit without posting either the result or the other side.

Typical CM quality.
 

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Americans United’s brief asserts that Ward’s religious liberty and free speech rights were not violated by the university.

The Constitution, says Americans United, prohibits government employees acting in their official duties from imposing religious beliefs on others.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
First, what Americans United and you are really saying is let us rely upon a post 1960 concept of inserting language where there is none. Second, let us not protect Religion from government as the first amendment states, but rather let us attempt to ban religion from the public forum. Now I know that you are thrilled to pieces with such an idea, but that is not what those who adopted the First Amendment had in mind.
 

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Billy Ray Cyrus equates not having imaginary friends with darkness and Satan and blame folks like me who don't need imaginary friends for his dysfunctional family life and his lack of parental skills


http://www.examiner.com/rationalism-in-national/billy-ray-cyrus-equates-atheism-with-darkness-satan

Islamists bent on killing Jordan’s nightlife
Barry Duke on February 17th, 2011

JORDAN, an Islamic country surrounded by Syria, Iraq, Israel and Saudi Arabia, has – according to this guide – a night “that simply rocks”.

But all this could change if the Jordanian authorities meet the demands of a bunch of lunatic Muslim “scholars” who want the country’s 60 or so nightclubs shut down. They say that the clubs and discos are eroding the nation’s morals.

Jordan’s largest opposition group, the Muslim Brotherhood, has made such demands in the past. But yesterday they were were joined by others, a sign that the clamping down on fun is becoming more popular in Muslim circles.

In a joint statement 109 nightlife opponents, among them a former cabinet minister, MPs, Islamist leaders, university professors and mosque preachers, said:

We demand the government close all nightclubs, which work under the pretext of promoting tourism. We also demand the authorities combat prostitution and brothels, and introduce laws that fight all anti-Islamic and unethical acts which destroy our society.

However, according to this report, Jordan’s pro-Western government is likely to give these demands short shrift. It says nightclubs and discos are necessary to maintain a flow of foreign tourists, a key source of revenue.

A group of MPs has separately asked the government to close nightclubs in two western Amman streets named after the holy cities of Mecca and Medina because:

It is insulting to Islam and Muslims.

http://freethinker.co.uk/2011/02/17/islamists-bent-on-killing-jordan’s-nightlife/
 

blackrock13

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Billy Ray Cyrus equates not having imaginary friends with darkness and Satan and blame folks like me who don't need imaginary friends for his dysfunctional family life and his lack of parental skills


http://www.examiner.com/rationalism-in-national/billy-ray-cyrus-equates-atheism-with-darkness-satan

Islamists bent on killing Jordan’s nightlife
Barry Duke on February 17th, 2011

JORDAN, an Islamic country surrounded by Syria, Iraq, Israel and Saudi Arabia, has – according to this guide – a night “that simply rocks”.

But all this could change if the Jordanian authorities meet the demands of a bunch of lunatic Muslim “scholars” who want the country’s 60 or so nightclubs shut down. They say that the clubs and discos are eroding the nation’s morals.

Jordan’s largest opposition group, the Muslim Brotherhood, has made such demands in the past. But yesterday they were were joined by others, a sign that the clamping down on fun is becoming more popular in Muslim circles.

In a joint statement 109 nightlife opponents, among them a former cabinet minister, MPs, Islamist leaders, university professors and mosque preachers, said:

We demand the government close all nightclubs, which work under the pretext of promoting tourism. We also demand the authorities combat prostitution and brothels, and introduce laws that fight all anti-Islamic and unethical acts which destroy our society.

However, according to this report, Jordan’s pro-Western government is likely to give these demands short shrift. It says nightclubs and discos are necessary to maintain a flow of foreign tourists, a key source of revenue.

A group of MPs has separately asked the government to close nightclubs in two western Amman streets named after the holy cities of Mecca and Medina because:

It is insulting to Islam and Muslims.

http://freethinker.co.uk/2011/02/17/islamists-bent-on-killing-jordan’s-nightlife/

another Cut &Paste. What's your point?
 
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