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Mervyn

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why is that the majority of racist groups in the U.S.A are religious and christian?
It's called math.

76 % of Americans are Christian. is it therefore likely any sort of grouping you wish to put people into ,(with the exception of athiesm) there is good chance they will be Christian.

As for your study

the researchers tested the students attitudes toward blacks. (Overall, the participants were mostly white and predominantly Protestant or Catholic.)

It was biased to begin with.
 

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why is that the majority of racist groups in the U.S.A are religious and christian?
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Of all the past and present American presidents I believe no
more than 4 of them has had no affiliation with any Christian denomination.
Abraham Lincoln was one of the very few US presidents who never
joined a church and that nearly got him into trouble while running for congress.
Actually Lincoln like most respected members of the society in his days did attend
church services regularly. I think it is safe to assume that Americans among the
influential as well as the common people from the past and present are by and large
some sort of Christians. If I were an atheist activist I would think it is more prudent to
focus criticisms and attacks on the evangelical segment of the Christian
church but avoid making sweeping remarks on the entire Christian religion.
 

rld

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It's called math.

76 % of Americans are Christian. is it therefore likely any sort of grouping you wish to put people into ,(with the exception of athiesm) there is good chance they will be Christian.

As for your study

the researchers tested the students attitudes toward blacks. (Overall, the participants were mostly white and predominantly Protestant or Catholic.)

It was biased to begin with.
Poor science is all that our intellectually disabled friend seems to be able to rely on.
 

rld

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why is that the majority of
groups in the U.S.A are religious and christian?
I corrected the above to help you understand the error of your ways CM.

But we have learned that for an alleged "athiest" your science and reasoning abilities leave a lot to be desired.

And if you were honest, which you were not, you would look at general racial integration levels in neighbourhoods and see what the comparative numbers are.

why don't you try that CM. A little intellectual honesty might be good for you.
 

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Of all the past and present American presidents I believe no
more than 4 of them has had no affiliation with any Christian denomination.
Abraham Lincoln was one of the very few US presidents who never
joined a church and that nearly got him into trouble while running for congress.
Actually Lincoln like most respected members of the society in his days did attend
church services regularly. I think it is safe to assume that Americans among the
influential as well as the common people from the past and present are by and large
some sort of Christians. If I were an atheist activist I would think it is more prudent to
focus criticisms and attacks on the evangelical segment of the Christian
church but avoid making sweeping remarks on the entire Christian religion.
If you were an athiest, why would you need to attack anyone?

Could it be because the athiest or secular human worldview is designed as a negative and that is why it produces such a high number of hate mongers?
 

capncrunch

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Could it be because the athiest or secular human worldview is designed as a negative and that is why it produces such a high number of hate mongers?
I've always found this assertion particularly odd.

It's no secret that religion is responsible for countless horrors perpetrated on mankind. And atheists tend to know more about religion than believers. Also, at least in my own social circle, the atheists and agnostics tend to be more forgiving and are gentler of spirit FAR more than their believer brethren.

Just sayin...
 

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Yasmin Alibhai-Brown: How we are sowing the seeds of tomorrow's sectarian hatred

On the invigorating, weekly television programme Dateline London, on the BBC News Channel, Israeli journalist Saul Zadka told me he feared the revolution in Egypt would lead to an Islamicist takeover and presumably explosive, uncontrolled, widespread anti-Israeli hatred. We have already seen and heard individual Egyptians expressing abhorrent views about Jews and their nation. For many in the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, the only good Jew is a slain one, and that is what they teach their young. So yes, I empathise with Zadka's dread of what may lie ahead. That doesn't mean one has to excuse the stubborn righteousness, unshakeable bigotry and institutionalised cruelty of ardent Zionists and their state, which has placed itself outside international law.

Not many defenders of all things Israeli will turn on and watch War Child on More 4 this Tuesday. More's the pity. If they did, their skin would burn with shame and their hearts might crack and splinter. Some might find the hour unbearable. (Obviously not fanatics such as Melanie Phillips, whose rage button goes off like a fire alarm whenever Israel's violent acts are revealed.) I have just watched a preview DVD and cannot stop shaking. It transmits the anguish of Gaza like nothing I have ever seen or heard, except for another similar film, the Bafta-winning Children of Gaza, also by director Jezza Neumann and broadcast last year.

Neumann takes us back to December 2008, when the Israel Defence Force carried out its 22- day mission to punish the entrapped people of Gaza, ostensibly to stop Hamas rockets and mortars. He lets Gaza's doomed children tell the story. Over 1,300 Palestinians were killed and a blockade has prevented reconstruction and recovery. The invader never expresses doubt or sorrow and is so bone-headed that it can't see the enemies it is raising, a future of eternal conflict.

So here is nine-year-old Amal, who was buried in rubble for four days and still has shrapnel in her head causing nose bleeds, terrible headaches and weakened eyesight. Her father and brother were killed. So what becomes of this child? She cannot but detest those who did this to her and her family, and wish them terrible harm.

Her brother Mahmoud, only 11, is already learning from his uncle how to become a suicide bomber, a militant martyr: "Before, I was only thinking about reading my lessons, but [now] I started to think about becoming a defender of the nation – if I could only kill one, that would be enough." His mother weeps helplessly.

Ten-year-old Loay saw his best friend die, and was blinded in a savage bomb attack. He wets his bed now. Countless youngsters are mentally ill and are getting worse; others are filled with molten anger. Some make toy bombs and set them off playfully. They hate Israelis. You can see why. Do we expect them to say: "They only attacked us because of horrible Hamas. I really like the Israelis. They are nice people, my friends. I will like to kiss an Israeli soldier"?

Surely Zionists must ask themselves: why is worldwide odium now directed at their state and its people, many blameless? It is not all orchestrated by malevolent, Jew-hating Arabs. Israel's own policies and actions are also to blame: its refusal to look out from the battlements, to halt the fire and reflect on what they do, especially to children, their own included. I am not picking on Israel; only using the Neumann film as a powerful example of how in today's most intractable conflicts, the young are hurt and mentally programmed to replicate adult hostilities: the rejection of, and aggression towards, the "enemy". Nobody has the right to pass on the infection of racism to children, to enlist the innocent in their war games or separatist ideologies, to violate their rights. Yet that is what happens, and not only in Israel but across the Middle East, and the rest of the world, including the UK.

And that leads to another television programme, Suffer Little Children, on Dispatches, Channel 4, today. Undercover filming by a Muslim journalist in a highly praised state-funded 'Darul Uloom' (meaning 'house of knowledge') Islamic High School in Birmingham shows children as young as 11 being taught to keep away from Hindus and non-believers, and turned against Jews and Christians.

More and more such brainwashing establishments are being set up across the land, blessed by the Government, which believes in "free" and "faith" education. Mr Cameron makes fervent speeches about integration and British values and yet lets such schools work on young, impressionable minds so that when pupils emerge from this so-called education, they will have imbibed the idea that those outside their narrow religious circles are to be suspected, avoided, insulted, despised and attacked. The Prime Minister and Michael Gove, the Secretary of State for Education, do not deign to explain why they are actively supporting divisive schools.

Children have become the most tragic victims of the unholy battles of unrelenting Zionism and Islamism – which to me means Islam that is both excessively politically charged and self-segregating. The kids they enlist to their causes are given no choices, are put into lethal situations, have their trust and curiosities bent and distorted; they must, it seems, carry on and pass on legacies of bitter antagonism until the end of time. Yet when given a chance to be true to their childish natures, the first thing kids do is reach out.

One of the most moving scenes in the Gaza film is when Palestinian youngsters say they never blame Israeli children, only the bad adults who do bad things. By the time they grow up, they will not make those distinctions. Their flickering tenderness, a small candle flame, will die. And they will be ready for combat, to blow themselves up and feel nothing. Their enemies on the other side will be similarly hardened so they can shoot and bomb and humiliate Palestinians without guilt.

Meanwhile, in many Muslim and Jewish schools in the UK, the idea of separation and suspicion will continue to be reinforced in perpetuity. People with power never see any reason to give kids a chance to be free of historical prejudices so they can make a different and more peaceful future, create possibilities not imagined by their parents or leaders. That could be one of the most pessimistic sentences I have ever typed.

Like Yasmin Alibhai-Brown on The Independent on Facebook for updates

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...ds-of-tomorrows-sectarian-hatred-2213888.html
 

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Your logic is circular and your choice of invective shows that you speak from emotion not reason.
My logic is logic.

Your sling your opinions like they have some factual basis.
Priests sodomizing little children, scaring little kids into believing they will burn in hell if they don't obey, babies born with sin, mutilating boys and girls genitals, people killing people in the name of god. Evil, filthy, disgusting religious outcomes. Praise Jesus.

You say morals come from people, but so does religion, so are they equivilent?
Morals come from a need to survive as a society. Religion comes from fear of the unknown.

And has been shown multiple times on this thread, in the last, say 200 years, religion has not been the prime driver of violence.
And has been stated multiple times on this thread, religious beliefs have caused the pain, suffering and death of millions of people. It does not matter if it was number one or two on the hit parade of death.

Capitalism has caused death and destruction do you advocate its removal as well?
Highway accidents have also caused death. What a ridiculous comparison. Not even worth a response. Quit being obtuse.
 

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If you were an athiest, why would you need to attack anyone?

Could it be because the athiest or secular human worldview is designed as a negative and that is why it produces such a high number of hate mongers?

Evangelical Christians and militant atheists attack each other alike. Maybe attack isn't the right
word. But if you follow Christian literature atheism is indeed one major target of negative
remarks from certain evangelicals. On atheists' side you have activist like
Justin Trottier who help organized the Canadian atheist bus campaign telling people
there is (probably) no God. Speaking for myself never in my life did I ever
tell people there is no God. Nonetheless I find this kind of exchange
of abuses amusing and entertaining.
 

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And to counter some of the hate propaganda from Canada Man, here is an great article about how churches are celebrating Darwin Weekend, and agreeing on the beauty of evolution and the separation of church and state.
The church conforms to what they think they have to to maintain control. Science has proven evolution exists and so the church builds it into their beliefs and adds a new twist. They have done this countless times over the years. Eventually gay marriage will be accepted as well as women priests etc. etc. Pathetic.
 

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The church conforms to what they think they have to to maintain control. Science has proven evolution exists and so the church builds it into their beliefs and adds a new twist. They have done this countless times over the years. Eventually gay marriage will be accepted as well as women priests etc. etc. Pathetic.
So the ability to adapt to new ideas and circumstances is pathetic?

I think you are just disappointed that the institutions that you have a problem with are more malleable and have more intelligent doctrines than you thought.

I suspect if you were around you would have used the same when women got the vote. Canada...pathetic.
 

rld

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My logic is logic.

Priests sodomizing little children, scaring little kids into believing they will burn in hell if they don't obey, babies born with sin, mutilating boys and girls genitals, people killing people in the name of god. Evil, filthy, disgusting religious outcomes. Praise Jesus.


Morals come from a need to survive as a society. Religion comes from fear of the unknown.
You really are ill informed and under read.

Firstly, no significant religion allows for sexual abuse of children under its doctrines. It remains a crime. And in fact far more sex abuse goes on outside the churches and their leadeship, than is committed by that leadership. You are just trying to build a bogey-man to feed you own personal issues.

You clearly have not read very much about the origins of religion from a scientific point of view, especially the experimental work being done here in Canada. But why should you. Your mind is made up and no matter how much the world contradicts you it doesn't seem to matter?

Almost forgot to mention, there is no canonical religious text in the world that supports FGM and many religious organizations were fighting against it before the secularists decided, not to help with the problem, but rather to whine about it.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Oh wow, he's a holocaust denier too??!! Fuck, even more reason to hate him!!
 
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