12.5million OLG winners found!

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I want to see the proof. How do you track the original owners of a ticket from 6 years ago? The Sun only referenced that they palmed a free ticket. If a some idiot handed them a $12 million ticket to check - that is one guy. It can't be the only ticket they palmed - how do they know what ticket was with which person? If the ticket was part of a group purchase and one of the group had a photocopy of the ticket number - why wait 5-6 years to complain ?

Something stinks ! Unless there is proof that identifies the ticket owner - put it back in the pot.
 

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Honestly if that winning ticket belongs to those 7 people, then congrats. But how can they prove this?

I think that just awarded the money to a group of luck people to get the press off their back, and to shut everyone up...
 

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Well, the live press conference is this afternoon. The gentleman that purchased the ticket on behalf of the group was just interviewed by the CBC. They actually won just over 14million that's with interest.

The thieves were the convenience store owner, his son and his daughter. Back in 2003, ticket holders couldn't scan their ticket the counter person did it, so quite easy to steal and it's happened many times.

Obviously, there is proof that the OPP and OLG found the rightful winners. 7 people get 2million that they should have got 8 years ago.
 

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Would it really be that difficult to issue OLG "Players Cards" like the casinos do?

You wouldn't even have to give your real info (though that would be useful for OLG marketing to be able to send you "you won!" notices, marketing crap, etc.)

They would swipe/scan it when you buy your tickets.

If you win and never checked your ticket, you'd get a notice in the mail 6 months later as a reminder that you are a winner
If you are part of a group, you give the group leader your card #. Then if you don't see online that you were a part-purchaser of a ticket, you know you were left out.
If you won, you would simply have to present the ticket, your card, the PIN number and security question encoded on the card, and you could walk away with your cash.

If it works for ATM's, casinos, etc.... why can't it work for OLG?

I know it's a barrier to buying a lottery ticket (they want to sell to everyone as easily as possible) buy why can't they just offer it as an option? Then if you spend a chunk of money on lottery tix, you can go out and get a card.

Same as a 407 transponder. No need to have one. But you're better off if you do. Do it once in a while and you don't need one at all.
 

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Victims of 2003 lottery scam get close to $15-million
680News staff Jan 27, 2011 10:55:15 AM
3 Comment(s) 5 Recommendation(s) TORONTO, Ont. - The rightful winners of a Super 7 lottery ticket finally received their $12.5-million prize plus interest, Thursday, after being ripped off in 2003.

The Ontario Provincial Police tracked them down following a major fraud investigation.

Seven men who worked together in Burlington shared the top prize.

OLG chair Paul Godfrey was on hand to present the cheque to the winners at a news conference Thursday.

The winning ticket was purchased on Dec. 26, 2003.

The winners (all from Ontario) are from Grimsby, St. Catharines, Burlington, Burford, Beamsville and Ridgeville. They are:


Adam Barnett, 32
Daniel Campbell, 37
Jason Dykema, 34
Daniel MacGregor, 36
Michael Maddocks, 35
James Reaman, 40
Joseph Reaman, 35

The winning total is $14.85 million, which represents the initial $12.5-million, plus interest. Each person will receive $2,121,545.68.

The lottery win garnered public attention when the OPP charged three people in September 2010 with stealing the winning ticket. An all-out search then began for the rightful owner
 

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OLG knew where the ticket was purchased. They also knew that the person bought other lottery tickets at the same time.

There was a very specific pattern that the player used. They advertised in the St. Catherines area until they found the person that could describe the exact pattern they were looking for.
 

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OLG knew where the ticket was purchased. They also knew that the person bought other lottery tickets at the same time.

There was a very specific pattern that the player used. They advertised in the St. Catherines area until they found the person that could describe the exact pattern they were looking for.
Correct. It's amazing how many people comment without reading the information available at their fingertips.

The group played their regular numbers and won a free ticket. When it was handed in to be checked, the store owner claimed it was a loser. The free ticket then won the $12.5 million jackpot which he got his sister to cash. The OLG was suspicious, but in those days didn't have the data tracker that they do now.
Nowadays, when you win, you are asked a number of questions, including where the ticket was purchased. Obviously the woman who cashed the winning ticket could not tell them where it was bought. Since they were able to back track from the free ticket, they knew the numbers which were played by the group on a regular basis and also where they were purchased. They had 650 or more claims to sort and sift through until they finally were satisfied that this was the group who had bought that ticket.

A few weeks ago, I had a problem with a Proline sports lottery ticket I had purchased the day before. I called up the OLG and explained the situation. Within a few minutes, she was able to tell me the game combination on the ticket in question. She also told me the combinations of the tickets I played before and after that one. I have no doubt they have the ability to sort through the tickets and find patterns as they described. I experienced it myself.
 

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Amazingly, the winning ticket was a Quick Pick Win from the original purchasers' (the group) lucky draw, so that's how OLG knew that it didn't belong to the store owners.
 

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I just watched all 7 video clips that CTV have of the press conference with the winners. Evidently, I'm still quite suspicious it was OLG's biggest PR way of announcing a winner to the stolen ticket, gaining lost respect and a better image for themselves after all the bashlash in the past with lottery frauds.

I believe the real winner is still out there and never will get paid!

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110127/lottery-fraud-opp-110127/20110127/?hub=TorontoNewHome

Obviously, if the OLG gave the public more detailed information on exactly how they conducted their investigation we would tend to scrutinize this issue less and officially wrap this as a closed case.
 

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I just watched all 7 video clips that CTV have of the press conference with the winners. Evidently, I'm still quite suspicious it was OLG's biggest PR way of announcing a winner to the stolen ticket, gaining lost respect and a better image for themselves after all the bashlash in the past with lottery frauds.

I believe the real winner is still out there and never will get paid!

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110127/lottery-fraud-opp-110127/20110127/?hub=TorontoNewHome

Obviously, if the OLG gave the public more detailed information on exactly how they conducted their investigation we would tend to scrutinize this issue less and officially wrap this as a closed case.
Another conspiracy theorist or jealous.
 

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Another conspiracy theorist or jealous.
Neither, some of us just like to look at what shit people spoon feed us. If there is a rational explanation then present it. The lottery was won on a free ticket so that indicates that there is no pattern to follow unless the free ticket can be directly linked to the ticket that produced the free ticket. The chances of winning a free ticket are roughly 1 in 7 so there must have been a lot of free tickets floating around.

Myself, I have received tickets as a gift - who knows where it was bought ? I don't buy my tickets at the same store and it is very unlikely I would pick up the free ticket from the store I bought it. If I have a free ticket and I'm at a shopping mall - I could pick it up there, or the closest convenience store near the office or a grocery store when I'm buying milk or the closest to the house. I'd be hard pressed to figure out where last months tickets were procured let alone six years ago.

I know I didn't win the lottery (of course I'm not sure if I bought a ticket in Burlington 6 years ago anyways) but for my own curiosity - just how did these guys win it ???
 

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Neither, some of us just like to look at what shit people spoon feed us. If there is a rational explanation then present it. The lottery was won on a free ticket so that indicates that there is no pattern to follow unless the free ticket can be directly linked to the ticket that produced the free ticket. The chances of winning a free ticket are roughly 1 in 7 so there must have been a lot of free tickets floating around.

Myself, I have received tickets as a gift - who knows where it was bought ? I don't buy my tickets at the same store and it is very unlikely I would pick up the free ticket from the store I bought it. If I have a free ticket and I'm at a shopping mall - I could pick it up there, or the closest convenience store near the office or a grocery store when I'm buying milk or the closest to the house. I'd be hard pressed to figure out where last months tickets were procured let alone six years ago.

I know I didn't win the lottery (of course I'm not sure if I bought a ticket in Burlington 6 years ago anyways) but for my own curiosity - just how did these guys win it ???
If you're really curious, check the OLG and OPP websites, they may have posted the means in which the winner was found.
 

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If you're really curious, check the OLG and OPP websites, they may have posted the means in which the winner was found.
The only reference was the Ombudsman report which identified at least 5 probably large prize fraud cases. The only item I could find is OLG press explanation highlighted below:

The authorities only shared a glimpse of that profile with the public back then. They revealed the fact the ticket was purchased at That’s Entertainment in St. Catharines and validated at a Variety Plus in Burlington. They said the person who turned in the ticket won a free ticket they never received. That free ticket won the jackpot.
Bill Price, director of the OPP’s Inspection and Investigation Branch, Alcohol & Gaming Commission of Ontario, said that because of the database, they already knew the rightful winner — or winners — lived and worked in the St. Catharines area.

“The ticket profile that we had was very unique and very specific in terms of how the person who was purchasing and validating tickets played the Super 7, in terms of the amount of money spent, the amount of tickets purchased, where they were purchased, the favourite location and also visiting other stores,” he said.

Some of the details of the group’s habits are being kept quiet; a criminal case is now before the courts.

But regular lottery players develop a pattern, Price explained. A person might buy a ticket, win $5 or $10 dollars, and use that money to by another ticket, creating a chain that can be followed.

These winners established such a chain, and a strong one. It went back months before the win and continued afterwards.

....... “It’s like finding a needle in a haystack,” said OLG Chair Paul Godfrey. “We found the haystack and we also found the needle.”

To begin - where the ticket was validated is irrelevant since it was palmed at the store that was first issued and was in the hands of the thieves from that point on.

The only way to absolutely link the the winning ticket to the any specific individual is to identify the ticket and the numbers on it that produced that winning ticket. In New York, a winner was able to recover a stolen ticket from her uncle because she always played the same number, had previous ticket stubs with the same numbers and explained why the numbers were lucky for her. Even though it was stated /rumored that these St Catherine guys played the same numbers - it was a free ticket that won - the numbers were random.

If there was a direct link - they knew the numbers of the ticket that produced the win - it is cut and dry - there is no pattern to follow and the explanation did not have to be cloaked in mystery. Without a link, the number of tickets, spending habits all become probability issues - not 100% proof. I don't think they found a needle in a haystack - I think they drew straws and these guys won. Of course time will tell.
 

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I bet all those variety store owners are shitting their pants right now, the ones that scammed people out of winning lottery tickets. Now there is a trail. I'm sure I have won in the past and been scammed out of my winnings. lol
 

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Neither, some of us just like to look at what shit people spoon feed us. If there is a rational explanation then present it. The lottery was won on a free ticket so that indicates that there is no pattern to follow unless the free ticket can be directly linked to the ticket that produced the free ticket. The chances of winning a free ticket are roughly 1 in 7 so there must have been a lot of free tickets floating around.

Myself, I have received tickets as a gift - who knows where it was bought ? I don't buy my tickets at the same store and it is very unlikely I would pick up the free ticket from the store I bought it. If I have a free ticket and I'm at a shopping mall - I could pick it up there, or the closest convenience store near the office or a grocery store when I'm buying milk or the closest to the house. I'd be hard pressed to figure out where last months tickets were procured let alone six years ago.

I know I didn't win the lottery (of course I'm not sure if I bought a ticket in Burlington 6 years ago anyways) but for my own curiosity - just how did these guys win it ???
When they questioned the person where the ticket was purchased that won the free ticket that won the jackpot, she couldn't tell them. It was bought by the group in St. Catherines and her family validated it in Burlington.

The OLG was recently able to determine which ticket had won the free ticket which went on to win the jackpot. It wouldn't matter how many free tickets were floating around, they could trace this ticket back to where and when the ticket that won it was purchased..

With this information, they could map out a pattern of purchases by a person or group in St Catherines. They had to give out as little information as possible or it would have been easy for someone to fake ownership. As it was, they had to sort through about 650 claims.

From the information supplied by the OLG it seems fairly straight forward now tha tthey have the ne DART program in effect.

I imagine if they were just trying to find any winner for public satisfaction, the Ombudsman would climb back in to ensure it wasn't done just to ensure a feel good ending.
 

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I bet all those variety store owners are shitting their pants right now, the ones that scammed people out of winning lottery tickets. Now there is a trail. I'm sure I have won in the past and been scammed out of my winnings. lol
I wonder how many previous "winners" are selling up and moving out of the country now? Also, how many of them would have moved out of country with the winnings immediately, the smarter thing to do.
 
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