Toronto's force is just under 6000 and they were not all there. They came from far and wide.
Is the police funeral over the top?
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i don't who 'organized' it, but the family had last say in what the funeral should involve as they should always do. The fact that members of the police force, as a large chunk of their friends and co workers would be, helped in the logistics of the funeral doesn't make it a union show, ffs Fuji.Who organized it? Wasn't it the union?
You can always choose not to read or leave.I am really getting sick of all the "goody goody" kiss-asses around here. The guy may have been a good guy / family man etc. but have to admit the funeral (for the last time) was overkill.
Ok let's just cut to the chase: The union organized the big public aspects of the funeral. The actual ceremony and visitations at the funeral home? I don't know--but the big parade and the all star gala show was organized by the police union. I'm sure the family was involved and approved--but that's irrelevant to the point here: You were wrong when you mocked the notion that unions are the reason why the funeral was so big.i don't who 'organized' it, but the family had last say in what the funeral should involve as they should always do. The fact that members of the police force, as a large chunk of their friends and co workers would be, helped in the logistics of the funeral doesn't make it a union show, ffs Fuji.
I'm just saying--you sure are an evasive slipperly little eel huh? Trying not to give up one inch, no matter how obvious it is.
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Now now, let's not be condescending to one of my favourite foods, Japanese-style braised eel - absolutely fantastic.Ok let's just cut to the chase: The union organized the big public aspects of the funeral. The actual ceremony and visitations at the funeral home? I don't know--but the big parade and the all star gala show was organized by the police union. I'm sure the family was involved and approved--but that's irrelevant to the point here: You were wrong when you mocked the notion that unions are the reason why the funeral was so big.
I'm just saying--you sure are an evasive slipperly little eel huh? Trying not to give up one inch, no matter how obvious it is.
you keep pointing this out, maybe the wife does/doesn't we don't really know. one thing is for sure. Would she want her late husband to be deemed a hero of his time? well of course...are there some influential people who might've suggest to her what would be great? i'm sure there are A LOT! There are a lot of big name personalities on that ceremony and that's what makes it somewhat over the top as well. Isn't Media attention great (even when it's negative?).but the family had last say in what the funeral should involve as they should always do.
Now if let's say it was a simple funeral, close family, relatives & friends, no media and people just started to flock and honor the late officer, then came the Media to cover a dramatic turn of events, I'd be touched.
Why is Junior Manon's death still on your mind? All involved were cleared of charges by the SIU, Coroner's report and 2 independent forensic reports. Junior Manon was breaking the law by driving while prohibited; he struggled to break free putting his own life in danger by running across Keele St to escape. If he had a neck brace on, why was he driving? Why did he want to escape apprehension? He was 18, he knew right from wrong! What was he aspiring to be? (long young offender record) The only point conceded is that he may have had an unknown heart issue.The death of Alanander Junior Manon is still on my mind. He was beaten to death by several police officers while having a neck brace on his neck and just recently the S.I.U. cleared the officers who murdered him.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/01/14/siu-clears-toronto-police-officers-in-death-of-teen/
Ask yourself, how does an unarmed teen end up DYING after a routine traffic stop?
Where is his big funeral? Just some write up somewhere and shelved away.
Here is a white officer with a white wife and two white daughters are now glorified as icons and there is a major funeral. I call hypocracy on this society.
This officer's life is worth more than a yonge aspiring teen that had a future that was killed on a traffic stop. Yeah, I'd say it's over the top.
He was not beaten by police; he was restrained and fought back in effort to again escape. He died of POSITIONAL ASPHYXIA and police placed him in the recovery position which is all anyone could do. Positional Asphyxia can happen to anyone! If you sleep on your stomach with your face in the pillow too long, it can happen. It is most common during a restraint scenario but it can happen randomly.
Olympic Medallist Florence Griffith-Joyner & Baseball Player John Marzano both died from this. It is not much different than sleep apnea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positional_asphyxia
The media sensationalizes the immediate story without all the facts to sell papers. You can take your hypocracy, prejudicism and reverse racism and shove it where you sit.
The TPS would have held a funeral of this magnitude for a black, brown, yellow, red, white officer. It would be the same for a female, male or gay officer.
Well not to make it a "race" discussion...as i was affraid it would come to this but just to comment on your point....
THIS quite frankly you do not know.... full police funeral? yes; as it is protocol...shut down half the city in the process? not sure about that one. And it isnt a discussion of the TPS. Its more to do with the media and what they make of the story that will dictate how it will go...assuming the family is ok with itThe TPS would have held a funeral of this magnitude for a black, brown, yellow, red, white officer. It would be the same for a female, male or gay officer.
It's not a race/gender, etc issue. What I should have added is: If the family wanted it. You do not know what I know and don't know, and we can agree to disagree. We can let it be.Well not to make it a "race" discussion...as i was affraid it would come to this but just to comment on your point....
THIS quite frankly you do not know.... full police funeral? yes; as it is protocol...shut down half the city in the process? not sure about that one
Were you truly that inconvenienced? Was there absolutely no way to travel from one side of Toronto to the other? What about when various world figures (including of course from Canada) visit the city should they all be told to stay home?...shut down half the city in the process?
These ceremonies are getting bigger and bigger. This last one was the biggest ever and 20 years ago the ceremonies were small by comparison. There is no doubt in my mind that the police ( in light of all the recent bad publicity- corruption, lying, removing badges, assaults, cover-ups, framings, tazings, investigating themselves, etc.) are trying to play the compassion card to better their standing in society, both emotionally and financially.
There are probably more truck drivers per capita dying on the highways each year than cops, but we don't shut down the city and dominate the media with their funerals. It sounds like this officer was a great person, but was he at the G20, and what did he do there? It will take more than an emotional funeral to make me believe in the integrity of this country's police forces.
There are probably more truck drivers per capita dying on the highways each year than cops, but we don't shut down the city and dominate the media with their funerals. It sounds like this officer was a great person, but was he at the G20, and what did he do there? It will take more than an emotional funeral to make me believe in the integrity of this country's police forces.
Definition of a hero: the word hero is used these days ad nauseum with anyone and everyone..it's a reflection of our much too close ties with our southern cousins wher the media has to have a hero of the week. To my mind the bus driver's actions and those actions of two other passengers described below suggest genuine heroics. they saved the lives of all those on the bus. did anyone here even see a newsclip of the incident? did the bus driver receive any form of commendation?, was there some sort of ceremony acknowledging his heroics. did the saved passengers care to drop him a thank you note after the fact?...hardly likely. Perhaps if the essential intervention had been made by a police officer, it would have received far greater media draw.
MANITOBA - A Greyhound Canada driver is being praised after fighting off a passenger who grabbed the steering wheel of a moving bus as it hurtled along a dark Manitoba highway.
Rev. Stephen Jarmus said he was dozing on the packed bus travelling from Winnipeg to Kenora, Ont., Friday night.
At about 10:15 p.m., the priest awoke to feel the bus swerving alarmingly from side to side on the Trans-Canada Highway near Falcon Lake, about 100 kilometres east of Winnipeg.
An unruly passenger — a young man — was trying to force the bus to stop so he could get off, he told CBC News.
"A fellow came to the driver and grabbed hold of the steering wheel," Jarmus said.
Jarmus said the driver was able to calmly kick the man away and keep control of the moving bus. Two passengers then stepped in to grab him and hold the man.
RCMP were called to the roadside where a 24-year-old Alberta man was taken into custody. No charges have been laid. Police said he was taken to a hospital to be checked out.
"It was resolved without incident, there were no injuries, no damages," Const. Miles Hiebert said.
In 47 years of regular trips on Greyhound buses, Jarmus said he has never encountered a similar situation. He said he can't help but think how much worse the outcome might have been.
"Just imagine — a split second to lose control of the wheel," Jarmus said.
Jarmus went to the Winnipeg office of Greyhound on Monday to tell the company about the calm and collected driver.
"I felt it was my duty to express gratitude to the fellow," the priest said. "He managed to perform his function and may he have a Merry Christmas."
MANITOBA - A Greyhound Canada driver is being praised after fighting off a passenger who grabbed the steering wheel of a moving bus as it hurtled along a dark Manitoba highway.
Rev. Stephen Jarmus said he was dozing on the packed bus travelling from Winnipeg to Kenora, Ont., Friday night.
At about 10:15 p.m., the priest awoke to feel the bus swerving alarmingly from side to side on the Trans-Canada Highway near Falcon Lake, about 100 kilometres east of Winnipeg.
An unruly passenger — a young man — was trying to force the bus to stop so he could get off, he told CBC News.
"A fellow came to the driver and grabbed hold of the steering wheel," Jarmus said.
Jarmus said the driver was able to calmly kick the man away and keep control of the moving bus. Two passengers then stepped in to grab him and hold the man.
RCMP were called to the roadside where a 24-year-old Alberta man was taken into custody. No charges have been laid. Police said he was taken to a hospital to be checked out.
"It was resolved without incident, there were no injuries, no damages," Const. Miles Hiebert said.
In 47 years of regular trips on Greyhound buses, Jarmus said he has never encountered a similar situation. He said he can't help but think how much worse the outcome might have been.
"Just imagine — a split second to lose control of the wheel," Jarmus said.
Jarmus went to the Winnipeg office of Greyhound on Monday to tell the company about the calm and collected driver.
"I felt it was my duty to express gratitude to the fellow," the priest said. "He managed to perform his function and may he have a Merry Christmas."
Of course they did.Ok let's just cut to the chase: The union organized the big public aspects of the funeral.
So what?
What is your point?
They could have discreetly made their way to the convention centre but they were proud to salute Russell and put on a display of unity, respect, honour, and discipline.
12,000 cops were there because they wanted to be there.
You make it seem like they were just there because the union ordered them to be there for some ulterior motives.
Lets face it, taking a day off work to go to a funeral is an excellent excuse beyond reproach, for not having to go to work. It's the human sloth factor at it's finest.Of course they did.
So what?
What is your point?
They could have discreetly made their way to the convention centre but they were proud to salute Russell and put on a display of unity, respect, honour, and discipline.
12,000 cops were there because they wanted to be there.
You make it seem like they were just there because the union ordered them to be there for some ulterior motives.
Only a lowlife asshole would make up such an excuse just to get a day off work.Lets face it, taking a day off work to go to a funeral is an excellent excuse beyond reproach, for not having to go to work. It's the human sloth factor at it's finest.
What the fuck does this have to do with anything and why did you quote me?
We have a winner!It looks like a giant effort to take spotlight off the G20 excesses and save Blair's job.
This funeral was way way way over the top, in terms of making damn sure the public knew there was one. When was the last police funeral held at a convention centre? Sure, politicians and senior cops show up, and cops from other services, but this one was way over produced.
Are you referring to the paid duty officers that are arranged for by the funeral home and billed to the family?Just like they do at a popular person's funeral when police escorts are provided to block off intersections and allow the process to drive through red lights.
I keep pointing it out because some really dense members keep suggesting it's not the case or probably not, that it's political, it's a plot, a conspiracy. when in reality no one really knows. My comments come from having this conversation with families who've had to deal with this.you keep pointing this out, maybe the wife does/doesn't we don't really know. one thing is for sure. Would she want her late husband to be deemed a hero of his time? well of course...are there some influential people who might've suggest to her what would be great? i'm sure there are A LOT! There are a lot of big name personalities on that ceremony and that's what makes it somewhat over the top as well. Isn't Media attention great (even when it's negative?).
Now if let's say it was a simple funeral, close family, relatives & friends, no media and people just started to flock and honor the late officer, then came the Media to cover a dramatic turn of events, I'd be touched.
The reason for the immense size might have something to do with the fact that Toronto has the largest police force in Canada. The Mississauga funerals size last year might have something to do with it being # 3 behind Montreal.
For Wigglee;
The really large police funerals started back in the early 60's with Constable Fredrick Nash's death, not long after the amalgamation of approximately 12 smaller forces in the Toronto area and approximately 20 years 'after' the formation of the police union. not too much of a connection there.
Even if you think this funeral service was "over the top", so what?
Do you also whine when another family spends way more on their family plot at the cemetery?
Do you also whine when another family spends way more on their family plot at the cemetery?
So the fact that similar sized funeral took place in the spring of last year in the GTA 'before' the G20 might has escaped you.We have a winner!
This funeral was way way way over the top, in terms of making damn sure the public knew there was one. When was the last police funeral held at a convention centre? Sure, politicians and senior cops show up, and cops from other services, but this one was way over produced.
