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How can you love and fear God?
If I did, I suspect it would be a lot like the way I loved and feared my father.

You are desperate man. Can't you come up with anything better?

But it is amusing to see someone who cannot argue a point on his own simply resort to Youtube clips.
 

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If I did, I suspect it would be a lot like the way I loved and feared my father.

You are desperate man. Can't you come up with anything better.

tell that to the preachers that appear on the CTS network on channel 9 preaching lies and hatred towards non-believers and asking thier deluded followers to give them money

a parent-child relationship is nothing like the one described in the video.
 

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Only one thing I fear...death. Just thinking someday soon I'll be fighting for my last breaths is terrifying. I'm not religious and shit but man i'd be calling all the gods in this world when that time comes.
 

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Only one thing I fear...death. Just thinking someday soon I'll be fighting for my last breaths is terrifying. I'm not religious and shit but man i'd be calling all the gods in this world when that time comes.
I'm sure Hitchens and Dawkins will have great comfort to offer you when you face that time.
 

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Religion never fails. If everyone followed their own beliefs and practice them everyday then their will always be peace on Earth. We Don't ! All religions preach about peace and forgiveness.
 

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Religion never fails. If everyone followed their own beliefs and practice them everyday then their will always be peace on Earth. We Don't ! All religions preach about peace and forgiveness.
Don't tell Canada man that. He has a hate on for religion.

That and the ability to search Youtube for all the answers.
 

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Don't tell Canada man that. He has a hate on for religion.

That and the ability to search Youtube for all the answers.
this is an example of religious priviledge
 

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http://new.exchristian.net/2010/04/danger-of-religious-privilege.html

The current flap over the National Day of Prayer court case has brought to light a concern which deserves a great deal more newsprint than it gets. It should be obvious now that religion is granted a privileged and protected place in our society and that the danger of this situation is grossly underestimated.

Religion is so privileged in this country that our currency sports the motto, “In God We Trust,” and our Pledge of Allegiance contains the words, “One nation under God.” In fact, it often seems that it doesn’t matter to folks which god we worship, so long as it’s one of them.

Media censorship of anti-religious opinion is another example of the privileged position of religion. I witnessed this myself only recently when I submitted a letter-to-the-editor to a newspaper and saw it published in an emasculated form. I had quoted real people who had been psychologically damaged by the teachings of hell, in order to make a point. Those quotes, all of them, were edited out of the published letter. Apparently the medicine was too strong. It might disturb someone’s comfort. If I had quoted political opinion or statements representing one school of economics or another, I think it very unlikely that those quotes would have been removed. Only religion gets this kind of privileged, hands-off treatment.

What is the danger of religious privilege? Consider this. There are large, active Christian sects today which teach that prayer is the proper treatment for illness, not medicine. There is another sect which commands its members to refuse blood transfusions under any and all circumstances. These teachings have been responsible for many deaths, including the deaths of children. There is considerable scientific evidence which counters these teachings (which are attributed to the Bible), yet you will see little discussion of these matters in public forums because it is considered somehow impolite to question people’s religious beliefs in public. People sometimes die from these teachings, but religion is privileged. Some states even have laws absolving parents from legal responsibility for the deaths of their children caused by these beliefs.

What is the danger of religious privilege? The Ryan Report (May 20, 2009) on child abuse by Catholic institutions in Ireland is another first-class example. According to the Ryan Report, because of the power and prestige of the Catholic Church in Ireland, whenever child abuse was reported to Catholic authorities, it was covered up, from the public and the law. In fact, in many cases, when people brought abuses to the attention of police, the police considered it a church matter and passed the allegations on to church authorities as opposed to investigating themselves. The national Department of Education was also condemned in the report for abdicating its responsibilities to the children involved, which it did in deference to the church.

These cover-ups, which have happened repeatedly in our country as well, occurred because the churches are seen as more important than people. Clearly, when the religious dogma is considered sacrosanct, morality gets twisted to serve the dogma. The individual abused child becomes “collateral damage,” a regrettable, but secondary concern. The reputation and survival of the religion always come first.

The clear and present danger here is that if we cannot pull religion down off its pedestal of privilege and challenge the churches publicly to prove the worth and “truth” of their dogmas, then we the people will continue to suffer the consequences – especially the children, who are nearly always powerless to reject, or even question, the religion of their parents.
 

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http://new.exchristian.net/2010/04/danger-of-religious-privilege.html

The current flap over the National Day of Prayer court case has brought to light a concern which deserves a great deal more newsprint than it gets. It should be obvious now that religion is granted a privileged and protected place in our society and that the danger of this situation is grossly underestimated.

Religion is so privileged in this country that our currency sports the motto, “In God We Trust,” and our Pledge of Allegiance contains the words, “One nation under God.” In fact, it often seems that it doesn’t matter to folks which god we worship, so long as it’s one of them.

Media censorship of anti-religious opinion is another example of the privileged position of religion. I witnessed this myself only recently when I submitted a letter-to-the-editor to a newspaper and saw it published in an emasculated form. I had quoted real people who had been psychologically damaged by the teachings of hell, in order to make a point. Those quotes, all of them, were edited out of the published letter. Apparently the medicine was too strong. It might disturb someone’s comfort. If I had quoted political opinion or statements representing one school of economics or another, I think it very unlikely that those quotes would have been removed. Only religion gets this kind of privileged, hands-off treatment.

What is the danger of religious privilege? Consider this. There are large, active Christian sects today which teach that prayer is the proper treatment for illness, not medicine. There is another sect which commands its members to refuse blood transfusions under any and all circumstances. These teachings have been responsible for many deaths, including the deaths of children. There is considerable scientific evidence which counters these teachings (which are attributed to the Bible), yet you will see little discussion of these matters in public forums because it is considered somehow impolite to question people’s religious beliefs in public. People sometimes die from these teachings, but religion is privileged. Some states even have laws absolving parents from legal responsibility for the deaths of their children caused by these beliefs.

What is the danger of religious privilege? The Ryan Report (May 20, 2009) on child abuse by Catholic institutions in Ireland is another first-class example. According to the Ryan Report, because of the power and prestige of the Catholic Church in Ireland, whenever child abuse was reported to Catholic authorities, it was covered up, from the public and the law. In fact, in many cases, when people brought abuses to the attention of police, the police considered it a church matter and passed the allegations on to church authorities as opposed to investigating themselves. The national Department of Education was also condemned in the report for abdicating its responsibilities to the children involved, which it did in deference to the church.

These cover-ups, which have happened repeatedly in our country as well, occurred because the churches are seen as more important than people. Clearly, when the religious dogma is considered sacrosanct, morality gets twisted to serve the dogma. The individual abused child becomes “collateral damage,” a regrettable, but secondary concern. The reputation and survival of the religion always come first.

The clear and present danger here is that if we cannot pull religion down off its pedestal of privilege and challenge the churches publicly to prove the worth and “truth” of their dogmas, then we the people will continue to suffer the consequences – especially the children, who are nearly always powerless to reject, or even question, the religion of their parents.
Don't tell me, let me guess. He is a post consumerist survivor as well?
 

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Why must agnostics be obliged to teach faith?

FINTAN O'TOOLE

IMAGINE A country in which entry to a major profession is subject to a test of one’s private beliefs. A Soviet satellite in the old eastern bloc? Iran? Saudi Arabia? How about Ireland?

Welcome to the Republic.

Last week’s Irish Times poll brought the welcome news that 61 per cent of people no longer support the control of our primary education system by the Catholic Church. One thing that has been left out of the debate, however, is the stark reality that no one can train to be a primary teacher in Ireland unless he or she is either a believing Christian or is prepared to pretend to be so.

In December, a graduate wrote to the registrar of St Patrick’s College, Dublin, asking about applying for the State-funded postgraduate course in primary teaching. The qualification is from a public institution, Dublin City University. She wrote: “I am . . . of no particular faith and am concerned about the religious requirements for entry into a Catholic college. I am unsure if the college accepts applications from non-Catholics and would be very grateful for clarification on this issue. If this is the case, I would also be grateful for clarification on whether it is obligatory for non-faith students to complete the diploma in religious education and teach religion as part of their teaching practice.”

She received a very nice letter assuring her that non-Catholics could indeed apply, but stressing that “students on the course are required to take all the programme modules and these include modules on religious education in primary schools”.

The solution, you might think, would be to apply to another teacher-training course. The fact is, though, that every single course in Ireland is run by a Christian college, and obliges every single student to both learn and teach Christian doctrine.

There are seven teacher training colleges, all of them funded by the State. St Patrick’s defines itself as a “community of learning in which Catholic religious values and equity are promoted”. It adds that “the college recognises its duty in preparing teachers to teach the Catholic faith in Catholic schools”. Mary Immaculate College in Limerick declares itself on its website to be “Ireland’s largest Catholic college”. Froebel College in Dublin defines itself as a “Catholic College, under the trusteeship of the Congregation of Dominican Sisters”.

St Angela’s in Sligo declares itself “a Catholic college”. The Marino Institute in Dublin is run by the Christian Brothers and declares itself committed to the tradition of that order’s founder, Edmund Rice. And the Church of Ireland College of Education is explicitly dedicated to providing “a supply of teachers for primary schools under the management of the Church of Ireland and other Protestant denominations”.

These colleges are not private institutions – each is connected to a public university. Yet, in all of them, students have no choice but to learn (and pass exams in) Christian doctrine. (Some, like St Patrick’s, offer optional courses for those who wish to teach in Educate Together schools, but these are in addition to, rather than instead of, the compulsory Catholic courses.)

The religious education part of the course is specifically designed to enable the teaching of the “textbooks currently in use in Irish Catholic schools”. Students are required to “explore some of the theoretical foundations of contemporary faith formation processes” – in other words, to learn how to indoctrinate children in the Catholic faith.

When it comes to teaching practice, the curriculum in St Patrick’s stipulates that “it is expected that all students would prepare religion lessons”. (These aspects of the course are separate from the more specific Certificate in Religious Studies, which is required for those wanting to teach in Catholic schools but is otherwise optional.)

Leave aside the utter inappropriateness of a republic funding the “faith formation processes” of any religion. Just think instead of the hypocrisy that’s involved here. The church is quite prepared to have Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, atheist or agnostic students learning how to teach the Catholic faith, so long as they keep their heads down and their mouths shut. In the 19th century, Catholics were forced to pay tithes to support a church they did not believe in. Now, non-Christian would-be teachers must pay an intellectual tithe of silence and submission.

And where is the Republican Party in all of this? Cringing in the corner, of course.

Batt O’Keeffe, asked for a statement on the provision of teacher training for non-Christians, told the Dáil recently that “responses received from some colleges in relation to the question of provision being made for student teachers who belong to a denomination which is not Christian have indicated that this has not arisen to date”.

The logic is impeccable: you have to pretend to be a Christian to train as a teacher – therefore all trainee teachers are assumed to be Christians.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/0202/1224263575172.html
 

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taken from an Athiest facebook page


Why Can't You Leave Religion Alone?

by The Thinking Atheist on Monday, January 17, 2011 at 1:34pm

The protests come every day from the religious, and they go something like this:

* "Why spend your time disproving God?"

* "Why not just let people believe what they want to believe?"

* "Why can't you leave religion alone?"

As one YouTube commenter said recently, "No one can explain to me why it is so important to convince theists to abandon their beliefs."



The answer is simple. Pages like this one exist because religion exists.



Religion permeates our culture, shows up on our doorsteps with literature, scriptures and threats of eternal damnation, influences our science books, contaminates our political systems, indoctrinates our children and postulates that its doctrine must be followed, lest we be destroyed in body, in soul, or both.



Non-believers are simply responding to the avalanche of religious messages that bears down upon us daily.



Religion gets carte blanche to be as vocal as it wants, to knock on our doors and accost us in our homes, in our places of work, in our personal and professional lives. Believers are charged with a life mission to preach, teach, disciple, shout it from the mountaintops and to "go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature." Religion...is everywhere.



Ask yourself. When's the last time an atheist rang your doorbell with the Good News of Humanism? How often do you find Richard Dawkins books in the dresser drawers of your hotel rooms? When was the last atheist temple erected in your neighborhood? Have you ever attended an atheist revival? Has atheism demanded 10% of your household income? How many dedicated atheist television channels come through your satellite dish? How many atheist verses were you instructed to memorize as a child? When's the last time someone thanked a FARMER (or even the cook) at the dinner table instead of God?



On a more radical front, what's the name of the last atheist who sawed the head off of an "infidel?" Or sentenced a shrouded woman to death for displeasing an oppressive husband? Or strapped explosives to his belt in order to kill hundreds in a public square? Or publicly hung a gay person for his choice of lifestyle?



It's everywhere. Religion is a pounding drum that has gone mostly unanswered for a long, long time. And religion is not satisfied with merely existing quietly in the homes and hearts of the faithful. Its very nature compels the believer to proselytize, preach, promote, convince, convert and prevail. If you play on the team of the religious, your game plan is to stay, always, on offense.



Throughout our history, those who raise a simple hand of protest against these advances have been portrayed as the real problem. Religion has attempted to marginalize and defeat legitimate questions and concerns by indignantly portraying any resistors as misguided, immoral, rudderless, angry, miserable, lost and alone.



And when skepticism challenges wildly improbable (or impossible) stories found in the bible, the Qur'an and other holy books, the religious wail, "Why can't you just leave us alone?"



The irony is thick.



And religion impedes curiosity and inhibits learning, as the much-maligned Creation Museum proves. It stymies critical thinking. It stretches us to believe the unbelievable. And it poisons the foundational teachings we are using to train up the generations of tomorrow.



Pages like mine exist as a response... a counter-argument to ensure that the cacophony of superstition does not go unchallenged. And if your belief system is so undeniable, so factual, so provable, so real and so true, certainly it can withstand the opposing viewpoints presented here and elsewhere. Certainly, it can survive the acid tests.



Just remember. Religion began the argument. It amplifies itself before the world. And it threatens all mankind with punishment upon its rejection.



We are atheists. We are moral. We are reasonable. We are thoughtful, intelligent, compassionate, happy, fulfilled and well-informed.



And as long as religion insists on fixing human beings who are not broken, we will respond with the evidence that we are not the problem.
 

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Athiest to Theists - It's your fault stop this
Theists to Athiests - No it's your fault
Athiests to Theists - No, its all your fault, everything is from the beggining and I will not stop until I win
Theists to Athiests - No, it's because of you, everything from the beggining is your fault and I will not stop until I win

Blah blah blah, this is what you, a so called "thinking athiest" is involved in Canada man , question is, can you figure a way out ? ? ?
 
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