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Ironhead

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Why Religion Fails
That is easy. There is no god of any kind.
It is the circle of life on this planet. We are born, we live our lives,we die, thee end. No secret, no eternal life. That is for people who are afraid of death. After-all it is final. When we die, we are dead forever and forever is a long, long time. That scares people so they created this myth of religion and that we will live forever in some kingdom with some being. Somebody long ago even bestowed their believe structure on us.
 

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belief in a higher power or "God" is different than subscribing to a Religion.

I believe in God but I see religion as an archaic set of rules that were used to control an uneducated population before society organized themselves enough to create law and order.

I know the difference between right and wrong and I don't believe that my moral code was developed by getting forced to go to Mass every week when I was young.
 

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belief in a higher power or "God" is different than subscribing to a Religion.

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And further to that, since Religion and it's Dogma's are man made , then any failure of that religion has nothing to do with that Religion's deity, but with it's very human followers.

And this argument about there can be no God because of bad things that happen , well the whole concept of a "good" thing or a "bad" thing being applied here is also man made.

Either way , I don't believe God lets good things happen, or let's bad things Happen, he just lets things happen.
 

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Totally agree with you Jennifer!

Why does God always seem to get the blame for what man does?
Religious legalism was prevalent in the time of Jesus.
He defended a prostitute from being stoned to death by the so called 'religious' leaders of his day.
 

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He defended a prostitute from being stoned to death by the so called 'religious' leaders of his day.
He also drowned 2000 innocent pigs and doesn't look like he ever compensated
the owner of the herd. No more a nice guy than the typical religious leaders.
 

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Couldn't care less what loonie leftie like Chris Hitchens is talking nowadays.

He is a dead man walking and going to be judged by the creator soon. Pretty predictable for somebody who is a serial, unrepentant abuser on alcohol and cigarettes for decades.

One thing for sure, ka-ching, ka-ching for DEO and BATS/PM. :rolleyes:
 

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That privilege argument is kind of sad. In fact, really sad.

It shows a complete lack of understanding of western constitutional democracies. There is a constitutional right to freedom of religion, just like freedom of speech. The author is just a bitter chap who shows a complete ignorance of the relationship between religion and government in a modern democracy.

The difference between spirituality and religiousity is interesting though. They can be measured separately in the same individual, and some studies suggest that the most dangerous fanatics score high in religiousity and low in spirituality.
 

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Couldn't care less what loonie leftie like Chris Hitchens is talking nowadays.

He is a dead man walking and going to be judged by the creator soon. Pretty predictable for somebody who is a serial, unrepentant abuser on alcohol and cigarettes for decades.

One thing for sure, ka-ching, ka-ching for DEO and BATS/PM. :rolleyes:
Wow, I didn't think we had the homocidally fanatical fundamentalists on this board?
Are you worried about being judged by the creator for both inciting murder and coveting thy neighbour?
 

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Wow, I didn't think we had the homocidally fanatical fundamentalists on this board?
LMAO, this nonsense is coming out of the mouth by somebody here who earn the reputation of sympathizing, even supporting homicidal, fanatical fundamentalists like the Hizbullah and Hamas, anybody who could inflict mortal blows to the Jews.

Looks like he and Gryfin have a keen competition here when it comes to in-house, undisputed hate monger. :rolleyes:

Chris Hitchens is bad but George Galloway is worse.

Are you worried about being judged by the creator for both inciting murder and coveting thy neighbour?
Inciting murder?? Nothing even close to your unflinching support to the current Iranian regime and "freedom fighters" like the Hamas.

Perhaps your definition of "murder" is anything that are not compatible to Socially responsible investing or something.

WRT coveting, not so sure what your definition of "neighbor" mean.
 

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If a God or Gods exist, I think I will challenge the premise that they care about us human living on this planet Earth.

I remember reading this example out of this classic Chinese text from this philosopher who has been made deity like figure in Daoism. (Certainly he didn't start the religion, just others had decided to take advantage of his ideas to start a reglion of a sort.) He wrote a story/example that really get you to question if God would care about us. Anyway, the story goes something like this.

There is a really really massive big bird living in the north pole, it is so big that a little jump can take it to the south pole. Imagine this bird start to take off and fly off. In this bird's eyes it would see you as individual people moving, then it would start to blurr out where an entire town just become a patch, then it will become a dot, then it will see the continent as a patch, then (probably had to be in outer space by now) see Earth as from as far as the moon or Mars. If this bird's time scale as compare to us is like 1 season of our time is maybe equivalent to 1 second to it. So, in it's eyes, all it see is the Earth change it's colour from season to season, the cloud cover goes and comes, just a beautiful looking 'ball'. Really, all it see is energy and matter shifting and changing from one end of the spectrum to the other. If there is some kind of super being exist that have super power to create, destroy or change anything in this 'existence' or 'world' or 'universe'. This super being can change all things with a snap of a finger or a blink of an eye. And this super being have a time scale like this bird does. Why would it care of the little specks on Earth that is us?

It is like why would we care about the individual ants on the ground? Cause to the ants, we are like a 'super being' with awesome power beyond their imagination....we can kill any of them at will...we can create natural disaster for them at will (flood them)......we can dug out their home and transport it to another place at will.....we can bring them food at a instant.....Are we not like God to the ants? Do you care about the lives of these individual ants or the entire colony? For most of us (unless you study ants for a living or as an hobby), you wouldn't give a damn!

So why would God care about your praying or wishes or your suffering or your happiness?

I think the concept of a God is just 'superiority' complex of the human mind. In this regard, we can compare it to the world of astronomy. We are like stuck before Galileo's time when it is the Earth that is at the center of universe.....everything revolve around it. Applying this analogy to the God concept, we are still thinking 'human kind' is the center of this universe and everything will revolve around us, that's why God have to focus his/her attention on us and take care of us or do our bidding?! Wishful thinking?!! Maybe?! Big maybe?!?! You can decide.

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When you read about his story there are several aspects that defy rational explanation. Either his parents are lying through their teeth, or the boy knows things for which there is not a logical explanation. Such as very intimate and detailed information about his great grandfather who died 30 years before he was born that he had never been told, and about his stillborn sister, of whom he had never been told etc. . . .
 

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We don't need freedom of religion

If we properly respect more basic rights there is no need to grant special status to spiritual practices


By Mark Mercer, Citizen Special

There's really no need to count freedom of religion separately among the civil liberties.

A culture and legal system that respects freedom of expression, freedom of association and assembly, and freedom of conscience, and that doesn't interfere with what people are doing so long as they are not harming others, will necessarily be a culture and legal system in which people are free to worship as they want.

Strangely, though, even as freedom of expression and the other basic civil liberties -- "basic" in that they can't be derived from others -- are under attack from various quarters, people are invoking freedom of religion in defending exemptions from law, and the courts are listening.

Courts have ruled that Orthodox Jews living in a multi-dwelling building may erect on a common balcony a sukkah, a small hut used during the holiday Sukkot. Other residents, though, must abide by the rule they themselves have set against erecting structures in common areas.

Courts have ruled that Sikh boys may wear small daggers, kirpans, to school. Other schoolchildren may not wear small daggers.

Muslim women may be veiled while testifying in court, at least so long as their religious belief is sincere enough, though neither men nor non-Muslims may.

Not always, certainly, do the courts or other authorities exempt religious people from the rules. They rarely exempt Catholic organizations from employment legislation, for instance.

The chance of gaining an exemption is best when the practice is part of a minority religion. The Supreme Court has ruled that Hutterites in Alberta who wish to drive on public roads must, like all other Albertans, have their photo on their driver's licence, even though the Hutterites say this requirement contravenes something in their religion.

The president of one of Canada's main civil liberties groups has criticized that decision as inconsistent with past decisions, including the first two I mentioned above, as well as with the guarantee of religious freedom in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

What an unfortunate position for a civil libertarian to take.

One would have thought that a liberty is for all of us, not just for those who claim special status. The correct civil libertarian position is to insist both that the laws apply to all of us equally and that the laws have no business telling us what to do unless serious harm is in the offing.

From a civil liberties perspective, the thing to do is to ask whether schoolchildren carrying sheathed knives in their clothing pose a serious risk of harm to their classmates or others. If they don't, then rules against their carrying knives are illegitimate, and any schoolchild who wants to carry one may, whether for religious reasons or not.

If building regulations against structures in common areas are illegitimate when it comes to sukkahs, then they are illegitimate when it comes to whatever a resident wants to construct there.

If requiring photos on licences serves no good purpose, then no one need have a picture on his or her licence.

If wearing a veil doesn't impede justice, then anyone may wear one.

The point is, we all have our own reasons for wanting to do what we want to do. Taking reasons of religion somehow to be special, to be weightier than other reasons, violates our equality as citizens.

Why is there, both officially and in everyday life, this deference to religion and religious sensibilities? Deference to religion is bound up, of course, with commitment to multiculturalist accommodation, especially when it comes to minority or exotic religions.

As Justice Louise Charron wrote, the argument against Sikh boys wearing kirpans is "disrespectful to believers in the Sikh religion and does not take into account Canadian values based on multiculturalism. ... If some students consider it unfair that Gurbaj Singh may wear his kirpan to school while they are not allowed to have knives in their possession, it is incumbent on the schools to discharge their obligation to instill [sic] in their students this value that is ... at the very foundation of our democracy."

What needs to be made clear is just how wrong-headed and, indeed, ugly these sentiments are to one who cares about equality and civil liberties.

Let's leave aside the fact that it's no business of the government whether we are disrespectful to each other's religions, as well as Justice Charron's call for schools to indoctrinate children. First, we have the looming spectre of government agents quizzing us about our beliefs in order to slot us correctly.

Second, religious leaders rarely have any sort of democratic legitimacy, and yet their views are the views the government will seek out as most authentic and defining of the community.

Third, and most importantly, while civil libertarians are concerned about us as individuals, about creating the spaces in which we as individuals (often, of course, as members of groups) can envision and pursue our good, deference to religion is an attitude that takes us first to be members of groups, and it doesn't much care about our political and social equality as individuals.

The stance of civil liberties groups amounts to a betrayal of the tradition of liberal equality and civil liberties. A person one would hope would stand against illiberal forms of multiculturalism appears, instead, to be a willing agent of them.

Mark Mercer is a professor in the department of philosophy at St. Mary's University.
© Copyright (c) The Ottawa Citizen


Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/need+freedom+religion/4002627/story.html#ixzz18f63G5qE
 
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