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Poll: Ford and Smitherman in a dead heat

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I am going onto a limb here, and perhaps someone with more political knowledge can answer. But traditionally, voters who are right and centre right are more inclined to vote rather than their left wing counterparts?
Age is usually an important factor. Older folks are more likely to vote than younger ones (Obama's election was something of an exception to this rule, I believe).

My understanding is more polls will be released this weekend. I think poll results are expected from Nanos Research and Angus Reid. I'm sure there'll be lots for us to dissect.
 

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I am going onto a limb here, and perhaps someone with more political knowledge can answer. But traditionally, voters who are right and centre right are more inclined to vote rather than their left wing counterparts?
As a general rule you are correct, there are acouple of exceptions, truly committed left wing voters will generally come off of their death bed to vote. The general population that classifies itself as left wing right wing ( just to simplify) are actually unlikly to vote in a municple election ( 30 odd % voting rates) Of those who vote the conservative voters tend to actually vote and they are in general older . The Obama campign was an anomaly because(IMO) he tapped into the social networking scene in a huge way and a lot of those people supported him, he spoke their language so to speak.

In the Toronto election I think there will be larger than normal turnout. There is a palpable anger floating around. It may be enough to get more people out to the booths, which voters it is , is up for debate. The debate is who can motivate their supports more? Smitherman or Ford? The subburbs are pissed at the moment the question is whether or not they are mad enough to vote.
 

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I was just reading an article about Rocco Rossi and his campaign apparantly his internal poling had Ford ahead by 20% . It is going to be interesting to see this weekends poling results
 

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I still think it'll come down to whether Pantalone, or enough of his lieutenants, throw in the towel. A majority of Torontonians do not want Ford, but with Pantalone splitting the vote that's just what they might get stuck with.
 

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I still think it'll come down to whether Pantalone, or enough of his lieutenants, throw in the towel. A majority of Torontonians do not want Ford, but with Pantalone splitting the vote that's just what they might get stuck with.




Not according to this latest poll ... the majority of Torontonians do not want lying slimy scumbag incompentent homsexual criminal drug addict Simitherman even if Pantalone drop out!
The poll also asked if Pantalone were to withdraw from the race, who voters would vote for.

Ford’s support went up to 49% but Smitherman gained dramatically, rising to48% support — putting the two in a statistical dead heat among decided voters.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontovotes2010/2010/10/15/15709101.html

George Smitherman has a way to go to beat Rob Ford even with Rocco Rossi out of the picture, the latest poll in the Toronto mayor’s race reveals.

Forum Research Inc. released a poll Friday showing Smitherman is closing the gap on the penny-pinching frontrunner but he’s still at least 6% behind.

Thursday’s telephone poll of 700 Toronto residents is the first conducted after Rossi dropped out of the race Wednesday.

Forum president Lorne Bozinoff said the firm conducted the poll independently and the 700 people surveyed identified themselves as voters who plan on voting in the Oct. 25 election.

Ford has 44% support among decided or leaning voters while Smitherman has 38%, up from 22% during Forum’s last poll in September.

Joe Pantalone remains in third with 16% among decided voters and 2% said they were voting for someone else.

Around 16% of those surveyed remain undecided.

That undecided vote was not included when calculating candidates’ poll percentages.

The poll also asked if Pantalone were to withdraw from the race, who voters would vote for.

Ford’s support went up to 49% but Smitherman gained dramatically, rising to 48% support — putting the two in a statistical dead heat among decided voters.

The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 4% and is considered accurate 19 times out of 20.

The fact both Ford and Smitherman would be tied is “unbelievable” considering they have been campaigning for almost year, he said.

Bozinoff said it is clear Pantalone is not going to be mayor but he could still make a difference in the city.

“He’s the kingmaker,” he said.

Ford campaign spokesman Adrienne Batra said polls go up and polls go down.

“The only poll that matters is the one on election day,” she said.

Smitherman was similarly unfazed.

“I think we’re going to continue to see some polls over the next few days,” he said. “All of them are going to confirm two things, that this is a head to head race between me and Rob Ford and that is a race with clear distinctions about values and vision for the future of our city.”

Smitherman said it wasn’t his place to tell candidates what to do but he reaffirmed that voters do have a choice.

“The message is clearer and clearer by the day that a vote for Councillor Pantalone is...a vote for Rob Ford at this point,” he said.

Pantalone campaign chairman John Laschinger said it’s not worth commenting on the actual results of the poll because he has too many questions about how it was generated.

He dismissed suggestions that Pantalone would drop out of the race and anoint one of the remaining candidates.

“Joe intends to be king,” Laschinger said.
 

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The latest pol has Ford out in front and outside the margins of error for the pol, but again the pol methodology is key in the question in theory everything is accounted for in the pol , and the average of the pols will generally give you a rough estimate of who is ahead. IE. most of the pols have Ford in the lead by varying amounts so I would be tempted to think he is actually ahead.

Thje big question in this one is will the suburbs come out and vote? The last time they did was for Mel Lastman , with the anger that is evident in regards to the situation now I think they will.
 

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When polls are this close the only sensible conclusion is to that the race is as yet undecided. Inside the margin, outside the margin, a lot can change between now and election day.
 

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What a choice we have.

On the one hand, an idiot who is largely responsible for jacking up our electiricity rates, wasting a billion dollars., apparently behaving boorishly with his underlings while minister (I really really hate bullies). A man so slippery that even this late in the campaign nobody really has a handle on any vision he might have for the city. I don't trust that cocksucker as far as I could throw him; it's just a vibe smitherman gives off that creeps me out.

On the other hand, we've got a rude, uncouth, stupid, useless loudmouth that brings to my mind that same penny pinching niggardly presbyterian attitude that has produced our atrocious public spaces, ugly mediocre architecture, and mickey mouse 'transit system' that made a german tourist I met recently laugh in derision while being jostled at Union station. Ford might get something done if he prioritizes, but by and large he'll just shed more light than heat while he bumbles around being the unreconstructed douchebag he was born to be. At least it'll be fun to watch. I'll enjoy it.
 

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What a choice we have.

On the one hand, an idiot who is largely responsible for jacking up our electiricity rates, wasting a billion dollars., apparently behaving boorishly with his underlings while minister (I really really hate bullies). A man so slippery that even this late in the campaign nobody really has a handle on any vision he might have for the city. I don't trust that cocksucker as far as I could throw him; it's just a vibe smitherman gives off that creeps me out.

On the other hand, we've got a rude, uncouth, stupid, useless loudmouth that brings to my mind that same penny pinching niggardly presbyterian attitude that has produced our atrocious public spaces, ugly mediocre architecture, and mickey mouse 'transit system' that made a german tourist I met recently laugh in derision while being jostled at Union station. Ford might get something done if he prioritizes, but by and large he'll just shed more light than heat while he bumbles around being the unreconstructed douchebag he was born to be. At least it'll be fun to watch. I'll enjoy it.
It would have been nice to have had a solid credible candidate either on the left or on the right. I suspect that perhaps we don't pay the mayor and the city councilors enough and that's why the jobs only attracts buffoons like Ford.

I'd be in favour of doubling the salaries of council and the mayor--but only for those who win the next election after that decision is made, so that the high salaries are earned by the better people who apply for the job, and not the current crop of field mice.

Ford says he wants to cut council in half--OK, but only if we double the salaries and budgets of the remaining councilors so that the jobs attracts some high profile people.
 

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It would have been nice to have had a solid credible candidate either on the left or on the right. I suspect that perhaps we don't pay the mayor and the city councilors enough and that's why the jobs only attracts buffoons like Ford.

I'd be in favour of doubling the salaries of council and the mayor--but only for those who win the next election after that decision is made, so that the high salaries are earned by the better people who apply for the job, and not the current crop of field mice.

Ford says he wants to cut council in half--OK, but only if we double the salaries and budgets of the remaining councilors so that the jobs attracts some high profile people.
That's a good idea. And reform a bit how much authority the mayor can exercise, perhaps by allowing him more votes on specific types of votes (like money bills and such). It seems a little strange that a man who wins a city wide mandate shouldn't in turn be able to more effectlvely bring into force policies that would address the more global issues that the city faces.
 

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When polls are this close the only sensible conclusion is to that the race is as yet undecided. Inside the margin, outside the margin, a lot can change between now and election day.
The pols might be close but so far just about all of them have Ford ahead, it si not a seesaw thing with one up one week and it switching back and forth. I am tempted to say Ford is leading , but agasin the only pol that matters is in twoi weeks
 

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It would have been nice to have had a solid credible candidate either on the left or on the right. I suspect that perhaps we don't pay the mayor and the city councilors enough and that's why the jobs only attracts buffoons like Ford.

I'd be in favour of doubling the salaries of council and the mayor--but only for those who win the next election after that decision is made, so that the high salaries are earned by the better people who apply for the job, and not the current crop of field mice.

Ford says he wants to cut council in half--OK, but only if we double the salaries and budgets of the remaining councilors so that the jobs attracts some high profile people.
Ford is the CEO of a label printing company who is extremely profitable and he also do volunteer work at high School football. Therefore, Ford is loaded does not need the money
He cared more about the city and respecting taxpayer.

Speaking of buffoons it would be the homosexual cocksucker butt fucker/ and or butt receiver slimy criminal drug addict incompentent Smitherman responbile for countless of C. difficile deaths in Ontario which he would attracted to this Mayor job since he needs the money otherwise he would be unemployed.


Smitherman got a free ride from Toronto star which never attempt to dig up dirt on Smitherman, bet you he has lots of skeleton in his closet when he were doing drugs. I bet you the public would be totally shock if someone from the press actually do their job and dig up the dirt on Smitherman.

I do not favour any increase in salary for the councillor or Mayor they made good money.

Doubling their salary is a dumb idea!!!!
 

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Ford is the CEO of a label printing company who is extremely profitable and he also do volunteer work at high School football. Therefore, Ford is loaded does not need the money
So what? He's still a buffoon. If the mayor's job paid better the race likely would have attracted someone on the right worth voting for. The job doesn't come with a serious salary, so nobody takes it seriously. Even I would be taking a pay cut if I quit my job to become mayor--it's a pathetically under-paid job.

Head of an organization the size of City of Toronto should be paid at LEAST $500k/year, assuming you actually want to attract some real talent to the job.
 

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So what? He's still a buffoon. If the mayor's job paid better the race likely would have attracted someone on the right worth voting for. The job doesn't come with a serious salary, so nobody takes it seriously. Even I would be taking a pay cut if I quit my job to become mayor--it's a pathetically under-paid job.

Head of an organization the size of City of Toronto should be paid at LEAST $500k/year, assuming you actually want to attract some real talent to the job.

You are so full of it....you are talking totally nonsense.

Here a list of salaries which top civil servant get paid!

Prime Minister of Canada: $315,462 (and $2,122 Car Allowance)
Member of the House of Commons: $157,731
Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada: $343,000
Puisne Justices of the Supreme Court of Canada: $317,900


So your telling me a civil job like Mayor of Toronto should get paid more then the Prime of Canada or Supreme Court of Canada!

Your posting used to be intelligent ...not anymore! When it come to Ford your hatred increase with Ford and with each of your dumb posting against Ford show how your idiot posting is!


They should arrest the homosexual buffoon cocksucker butt fucker/ and or butt receiver slimy criminal drug addict incompentent Smitherman responible for countless of C. difficile deaths in Ontario and the theft / kickbacks of millions dollars of untender contract to his buddy at courtyard groups.

Fuji, Are you related to Smitherman?

PS. I am voting today in the advance poll for Ford so in order to cancel your vote which I know you will vote anti Ford which mostly for Smitherman the slimy bufoon homosexual criminal cocksucker.
 
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OK. I had to look up this c.difficile red herring. still strange. are you talking about c.difficile and the use of antibiotics? or what?
 

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I still think it'll come down to whether Pantalone, or enough of his lieutenants, throw in the towel. A majority of Torontonians do not want Ford, but with Pantalone splitting the vote that's just what they might get stuck with.
Seems to me a majority of Torontonians don't want Mr. Smithers as well lol.
 

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So your telling me a civil job like Mayor of Toronto should get paid more then the Prime of Canada or Supreme Court of Canada!
I think the PM is also grossly underpaid.

p.s., I find your bigotry against homosexuals to be a little offputting, such bigotry is often a sign of limited intellect, which would explain your support for Ford too--I guess it's all related
 

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I think the PM is also grossly underpaid.

p.s., I find your bigotry against homosexuals to be a little offputting, such bigotry is often a sign of limited intellect, which would explain your support for Ford too--I guess it's all related
Where in the post it show that it is bigotry!!! I guess it show you are the one who have extremely low IQ.
Fact are he is a homosexual.
Fact are homosexual suck cock!
Fact are homosexual enjoyed anal sex receiving(butt fucking or giving)!

Fact are he is incompentent responsbile for $1,000,000,000 eHealth scam.
Fact are he allowed kickback /or thief untendered contract for his buddy at Courtyard Group.

Fact are he is indirectly or C. difficile deaths in the hospital. He failed in his Health Minsister Job and was criticized for ignoring calls for an independent investigation into C. difficile deaths in hospitals, and he was unable improve the lives of nursing home residents who were often forced to sit in soiled diapers for hours on end.

Fact are he is a drug addict / criminal behaviour( indirectly responsbile for death / directly responible for theft/ kickback).
Fact he is part of the Tax and spend mentality at Queen park (McGuinty Gov't)

Buffoon and slimy part is based on his job perfomance above which you also used the wording "buffoon" when you called Ford. Nothing in my post is racist or "bigot".


Therefore according to your fucking wierd fuckup logic if I support Ford I have a limited intellect...so therefore I throw this back to you since you support Smitherman you must be a homosexual criminal drug addict and a thief.

Whereas if Smitherman was straight!

I would called Smitherman a

Pussy licker
Pussy fucker!
Maybe asshole/ butt fucker with the ladies.

And I still called him a slimeball criminal, buffoon, douchebag, incompentent, crooked politican dimwitt dipshit incompentent Smitherman responible for countless of C. difficile deaths in Ontario and the theft / kickbacks of millions dollars of untender contract to his buddy at courtyard groups
 
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Why do you feel it's necessary to emphasize that he's homosexual and reference "butt fucking" and "cock sucking" in every post about Smitherman?

You and I both know the reason why you do that is that you are a foggy minded bigot.
 
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