Omar Khadre

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The government abandoned him LONG before the trial... please pay attention..
The government , both liberal and conservative by the way are conducting themselves exactly as they should. He and his family gave up on Canada for their religious views years ago, and personally I think they should stay out but unfortunatly legally they are entitled to abuse or hospitality
 

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The government , both liberal and conservative by the way are conducting themselves exactly as they should. He and his family gave up on Canada for their religious views years ago, and personally I think they should stay out but unfortunatly legally they are entitled to abuse or hospitality
You continue to post that Omar Khadr is not one of us, which he is. It makes me wonder who else among canadian citizens you consider not part of Canada. jews? blacks? muslim? catholics? Calvinists? asians? Why don't you tell us what is on your wharped mind.
 

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You continue to post that Omar Khadr is not one of us, which he is. It makes me wonder who else among canadian citizens you consider not part of Canada. jews? blacks? muslim? catholics? Calvinists? asians? Why don't you tell us what is on your wharped mind.
Check the posts , I have stated that he is Canadian by birth the fact that I don't like it is anothe matter entirly. His mother is Canadian by choice , she adopted Canada as her homeland of convenience, I would like to try and undoi that but it may not be possible, mores the pity
 

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Check the posts , I have stated that he is Canadian by birth the fact that I don't like it is anothe matter entirly. His mother is Canadian by choice , she adopted Canada as her homeland of convenience, I would like to try and undoi that but it may not be possible, mores the pity
So, you agree that he is one of us (canadian citizen). And as far as his mother is concerned, so it seems she is. I imagine she got a letter saying the same as the one I got, namely that I have the same priviliges and responsibilities as any other canadian citizen. I am sort of a bit sensitive when it comes to rating citizens, as quite a few Terb posters have expressed the view that a certain immigrant from denmark should be sent back to where he came from.
 
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I would hope that being Canadian is more than just a birth certificate, just like being a father is more than just being a sperm donor.
 

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I would hope that being Canadian is more than just a birth certificate, just like being a father is more than just being a sperm donor.
No argument here. But I also hope that the government of Canada will treat everone of its citizens equally.
 

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But I also hope that the government of Canada will treat everone of its citizens equally.
I also hope that every Canadian treats Canada with all the love, respect and loyalty it deserves.

Old Irish proverb: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."
 

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Wrong, Omar is just as much a canadfian citizen as you are.
No.

He forfieted his citizenship when he took up arms against this country.

In the good old days, he would have been hung drawn and quartered.
 

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So, you agree that he is one of us (canadian citizen). And as far as his mother is concerned, so it seems she is. I imagine she got a letter saying the same as the one I got, namely that I have the same priviliges and responsibilities as any other canadian citizen. I am sort of a bit sensitive when it comes to rating citizens, as quite a few Terb posters have expressed the view that a certain immigrant from denmark should be sent back to where he came from.
It is the responsibility part of the agreement that a lot of people seem to ignore. The country agrees to give you certain rights, you agree to abide by the laws that govern Canada. Among those laws are a few regading financing and fundrainsing for terrorist organizations, which the Kahdr family blatantly broke, In the mothers case I would think it makes a case to revoke her citizen ship, In Kadhr the youngers case participating in terrorist activities violates our laws, his actions at this point make the laws of the land of wherever he is applicable. He gets his trial and his sentance and then he is eligable to be transfered here for sentance completion if the treaties are applicable, or if he must serve out his sentance elsewhere her is where he deported to after that.

AS far as sending a Dane home for pissing me off ? does not enter the equation provided you follow the laws of the land. One of which is freedom of speech with a few exceptions is the law of the land. Personally your posts have seemed irritating at times but I am sure you have less flattering things to say about me.

Shit happens move on
 

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No.

He forfeited his citizenship when he took up arms against this country.

In the good old days, he would have been hung drawn and quartered.
Forfieting his citizenship is his chioce and entirly voluntary we can not just say you are no longer Canadian , as much as I would like to do so. Unfortunalty he is our problem when the Americans are done with him
 

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So I guess this ends the debate on whether or not the Little Darling threw the bomb that killed the US Soldier.

Omar did in fact kill the guy.
 

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Forfieting his citizenship is his chioce and entirly voluntary we can not just say you are no longer Canadian , as much as I would like to do so. Unfortunalty he is our problem when the Americans are done with him
We seemed to do it just fine with Conrad Black.
 

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Legally we 'could' take his mothers citizenship away - but Omar was born here so unless he 'chooses' to give it up there is nothing that can be done. Unfortunately in the past the Gov (lib's) has shown no political willpower to take back citizenship once granted. Don't know how the con's feel about it.
 

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Legally we 'could' take his mothers citizenship away - but Omar was born here so unless he 'chooses' to give it up there is nothing that can be done. Unfortunately in the past the Gov (lib's) has shown no political willpower to take back citizenship once granted. Don't know how the con's feel about it.
I don't think "we" could.

I believe there have been cases, where citizenships has been taken away, because applicants lied on their applications. I seem to remember a case of a concentration camp guard.

I do not think any law allows citizenship to be revoked for any other reason, ie. murder, treason or whatever. That is the other difference between landed immigrant status and citizenship (the first being able to vote in federal elections).
 

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I believe there have been cases, where citizenships has been taken away, because applicants lied on their applications. I seem to remember a case of a concentration camp guard.
It has, you remember correctly.

I do not think any law allows citizenship to be revoked for any other reason, ie. murder, treason or whatever. That is the other difference between landed immigrant status and citizenship (the first being able to vote in federal elections).
At least the way the law is now, certainly not in the case of someone who is a birthright Canadian (or for that matter U.S.) national.
 

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I don't think "we" could.

I believe there have been cases, where citizenships has been taken away, because applicants lied on their applications. I seem to remember a case of a concentration camp guard.

I do not think any law allows citizenship to be revoked for any other reason, ie. murder, treason or whatever. That is the other difference between landed immigrant status and citizenship (the first being able to vote in federal elections).
I believe the ONLY times that Canada has revoked citizenship is in the cases of Nazi war criminals. It is technically possible to revoke citizenship for untruthful answers on the citizenship or permanent residence application forms; in practice, this is never done.

OTOH, the Khadr's are probably high enough profile and enough disliked that this might be analagous to the Nazi cases.
 

james t kirk

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You were there?
He's going to plead guilty to terrorism and murder according to the Globe and Mail.

Oh wait, that's right, there was a mystery Terrorist inside the compound - who ran away and the Americans surrounding the place missed him who actually threw the grenade that killed the US soldier and now Little Omar is throwing himself on his own sword.

Wake up. You've been watching too many Hollywood movies. Usually, the most likely scenario - is the scenario.
 

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No.

He forfieted his citizenship when he took up arms against this country.

In the good old days, he would have been hung drawn and quartered.
Can you cite the law that says he forfieted his citizenship? I wouldn't be opposed to us writing such a law, but I haven't seen one. I also think it would take a sitting Canadian judge and a jury to rule on something like that. I wouldn't feel comfortable with an American judge stripping Canadians of their citizenship.
 

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I believe the ONLY times that Canada has revoked citizenship is in the cases of Nazi war criminals. It is technically possible to revoke citizenship for untruthful answers on the citizenship or permanent residence application forms; in practice, this is never done.

OTOH, the Khadr's are probably high enough profile and enough disliked that this might be analagous to the Nazi cases.
Seemingly that would only affect Maha Elsamnah Khadr and Abdurahman Khadr, Omar Khadr would not be affected having been born in Canada.
 
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