Oh illicit drugs are harmless.

[oldjones]

So, let me be clear. Are you saying that had he not been partying with a friend the night before and was not high on drugs at the time, he would still have exibited exactly the same poor judgement?

Don't be silly. How could I know that? Are you saying that every person high on drugs with access to a gun shoots infants? It's a terrible story, and definitely proves the right to bear arms is one of the worst things ever foisted on a gullible public. If drugs were the cause, you'd also have to explain away all the child killers who somehow managed to do their awful deed without them.

And no I am not saying every shotgun owner is a babykiller.

 

[diehard]

Fucking scum.

 

[simon482]

i will say it again. if you are not a responsible owner of a gun things like this are able to happen. like i said my guns were all locked up with trigger locks and the keys to my guns were kept in a safe so you couldn't just get drunk and go get the key.

i agree guns should be registered BUT insane people can get shit as well illegally. my mom told me something once that stuck with me. "laws only work on honest people"

 

[S.C. Joe]

They could use tougher gun laws there, couldn't they?

Yep they should could.

 

[Aardvark154]

Are you saying that every person high on drugs with access to a gun shoots infants?

I am saying that a person who is under the influence of drugs or alcohol is much more likely to do so than someone who is stone cold sober.

Even if there had been a trigger lock on the shotgun, it seems highly likely that he would have removed it (this after all was not a stranger's house).

 

[danmand]

Even if there had been a trigger lock on the shotgun, it seems highly likely that he would have removed it (this after all was not a stranger's house).

You think a mother and grandmother would remove the trigger lock on a shotgun, for a raving mad son under the influence?

No, even if the mother, as is required in Canada, kept the unloaded shotgun and ammo under lock, or the shotgun with a trigger lock seperate from the ammo, this tragedy likely would not have happened.


I have been around guns all my life, but I took the time 2 years ago to go to class and take the test, and I can honestly say that it was worthwhile and that I benefited from it.

 

[themexi]

You think a mother and grandmother would remove the trigger lock on a shotgun, for a raving mad son under the influence?

No, even if the mother, as is required in Canada, kept the unloaded shotgun and ammo under lock, or the shotgun with a trigger lock seperate from the ammo, this tragedy likely would not have happened.


I have been around guns all my life, but I took the time 2 years ago to go to class and take the test, and I can honestly say that it was worthwhile and that I benefited from it.

Ok.....

Quoting LAWS still..... REALLY?????????????????????

Does ANY reasonable person think that words on paper would stop someone like that from owning a gun if they really wanted to????


Does anyoe think that words on paper would magically conjure up a trigger lock & install it on the gun??????

Give your heads a shake.... LAWS dont do SJHT to stop or eve slow down this type of evil stupidity...

THE DRUGS WERE ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF DO YOU THINK GUN LAWS WILL ACCOMPLISH??????

 

[HEYHEY]

Ok.....

Quoting LAWS still..... REALLY?????????????????????

Does ANY reasonable person think that words on paper would stop someone like that from owning a gun if they really wanted to????


Does anyoe think that words on paper would magically conjure up a trigger lock & install it on the gun??????

Give your heads a shake.... LAWS dont do SJHT to stop or eve slow down this type of evil stupidity...

THE DRUGS WERE ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF DO YOU THINK GUN LAWS WILL ACCOMPLISH??????

hahahah

well put.

you cant fix stupid, in their eyes a magic "law" will take care of everything

 

[GotGusto]

Anybody that wants to get between me and my 40 ounce has a prayer.

Cheers brothers!

 

[oldjones]

It's not stupid to think the drugs had an effect on the guy's behaviour. Nor is it stupid to think access to a gun had something to do with what he did. What is stupid is to imagine either one caused his crime. It's even more stupid to imagine that a criminal law—about guns or drugs—would have prevented it.

That doesn't mean nothing should be done to regulate and control dangerous drugs or deadly weapons, but when we use the criminal law, we fool ourselves into imagining we're done. That's what's dangerous, because we have done nothing useful to protect ourselves, our community or innocent victims. That's stupid.

 

[afterhours]

I am saying that a person who is under the influence of drugs or alcohol is much more likely to do so than someone who is stone cold sober.

When i am making decisions whether drugs are worth using or not I am infinitely more concerned with who is more likely to live a boring miserable life - somebody who does drugs/ sex/ rocknroll or somebody who does not.

 

[themexi]

That doesn't mean nothing should be done to regulate and control dangerous drugs or deadly weapons, but when we use the criminal law, we fool ourselves into imagining we're done. That's what's dangerous, because we have done nothing useful to protect ourselves, our community or innocent victims. That's stupid.

It's the false sense of security that concerns me as well... That & that said false sense of security is essentially forced upon those who know better by the nature of it being law....

 

[Aardvark154]

When i am making decisions whether drugs are worth using or not I am infinitely more concerned with who is more likely to live a boring miserable life - somebody who does drugs/ sex/ rocknroll or somebody who does not.

Adam Theall's life from here on out, will I dare say, probably be able to be described as "boring and miserable."

 

[danmand]

Adam Theall's life from here on out, will I dare say, probably be able to be described as "boring and miserable."

Not as boring as his son's.

 

[Aardvark154]

Not as boring as his son's.

Needless to say that gets into a theological discussion, which would shed little light on the question of whether "drugs/ sex/ rocknroll" makes in the long term for a "boring" or "exciting" life.

 

[afterhours]

meanwhile....

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill by Congressman Mark Leno today that further decriminalizes personal possession of marijuana, downgrading it from a misdemeanor, like tagging, to an infraction, like a traffic ticket. Some 60,000 Californians are arrested yearly for misdemeanor pot possession, giving them a criminal record and forcing them to appear in court and pay a fine. Enforcing the state's pot laws, which has done nothing to tamp down on monthly usage by four million Californians, costs the state about $1 billion a year, the Cato Institute has found.
“Sacramento finished what it started 35 years ago — lowering the penalties for personal marijuana possession to those of a traffic ticket,” stated Stephen Gutwillig, California director of the Drug Policy Alliance. “The voters, however, are already poised to take the next step, adopting Prop. 19 to eliminate all penalties for personal possession and begin to bring this state’s unregulated $14 billion underground marijuana market under the rule of law once and for all.”

I hope this recent announcement proves that referring to drugs in a derogatory manner and calling them "illicit" should be left for the simpletons.

 

[Aardvark154]

I hope this recent announcement proves that referring to drugs in a derogatory manner and calling them "illicit" should be left for the simpletons.

Seemingly you should either be arguing that Adam Theall was using something a bit stronger than Marijuana, or that California is getting it all wrong.

 

[afterhours]

Seemingly you should either be arguing that Adam Theall was using something a bit stronger than Marijuana, or that California is getting it all wrong.

even if it was something a bit stronger
you realize that alcohol kills in a day more people than say LSD kills in a year, right?

 

[Aardvark154]

even if it was something a bit stronger
you realize that alcohol kills in a day more people than say LSD kills in a year, right?

Which has a very much more to do with that vastly more people drink, than it does with LSD somehow being less of a risk.

 

[afterhours]

Which has a very much more to do with that vastly more people drink, than it does with LSD somehow being less of a risk.

Clearly you have never taken LSD or even inquired into how it works

Besides, what is the point of complaining about illicit drugs when legal drugs are just as harmful, and are being promoted and profited from by those same people who keep illicit drugs off the shelves.