Police arresting innocent bystanders for no reason
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The police also arrested people outside the G-20 area for weapons dangerous. For example, 70 Black Blocers were arrested at a UofT house and a couple was arrested in the Forest Hills area (the man is due to appear in court to-day charged with possessing explosives).
What bs? The bullshit is people trying to defend people who were too stupid to use common sense and have caused this mess through THEIR own actions. Stop laying the blame on people who were trying to keep the peace and place it where it belongs. These people either went downtown to take part in the violence or vandalism or to gawk at it. Either way fuck em.
That UofT House was part of the Graduate Student Union. They are living off my taxes. The "Black Bloc" should not have been there. The GSU should have to answer to the UofT board. But you know students... hey man, it's ok....
No i am not, the Charter supersedes the criminal code. The Charter is the main supreme law of the land.
There are obviously arguments on both sides of this, lets have a public inquiry to sort it out and see in fact if rights were abused or not. Lets go through this in a logical and rationale manner. If it is determined that police over stepped their boundaries and abused rights, then they must be held accountable. its that simple.
The Charter provides a right to "peaceful assembly", note the word peaceful. There is no Charter right to riotous assembly. There is no Charter violation in the police dispersing an assembly where there is probable cause to believe it is not a peaceful assembly, nor any Charter violation in arresting those who criminally refuse to disperse from such an unlawful assembly.
The key point here is that the police had legitimate probable cause to believe that members of that assembly were planning violence, hence they had a right to, a duty to, and were correct to disperse the crowd, and correct to arrest those who refused to disperse.
Just how are graduate students supposed to determine weeks ahead when arrangements are made, or on the night she shows up, that cute little Ellie-Mae who booked a mat on the floor is actually gonna heave a bar stool at a window tomorrow? Whether or not they "live off your taxes", which is arguable.
The police failed to do it, and for dead sure they do live off your taxes.
As far as I am concerned, these alleged facts have yet to be properly aired and determined.
The criminal code means shit compared to the Charter. Fuck the criminal code, Charter of Rights and Freedoms any day!!
You don't have a charter right to protest violently nor do you have a charter right to participate in a protest that includes violence, or plans violence, even if you yourself aren't violent.
The black bloc tactics are reprehensible and anyone participating in any protest which included the use of those tactics properly belongs in jail.
That includes those who did not themselves engage in the black bloc tactics, but were complicit in that they were part of the crowd in which the black bloc protesters hid: People who could have, but failed to, turn the violent protesters over to the police are complicit in the crime in my view.
I do not see u as an idiot so obviously it must be myself who has drastically misunderstood ur point and/or argument. I say this because only an ignorant, uneducated, narrow minded person would consider everyone inside a store where an illegal act of shoplifting occurred as complicit in that very crime. Again i apologize for my misunderstanding and look forward to ur clarification.....
Has anyone actually read up on the limitations of our rights to peaceful assembly? Rights to assembly can be striped away for a variety of reasons, some of which I wouldn't agree with. For example, if the governing body finds that you are disrupting public order, you can be arrested. That means that just about any protest I've ever seen can be judged unlawful by the governing body. How many protests have we seen that have held up traffic? Disrupting public order. The G20 summit was even worse since it may be deemed a national security concern. No more peaceful assembly.
No, Fuji. You do not understand the law of accessories. The compicit party must do more than just be apathetic to the crime. They must actively encourage or assist it. The citizen is under no obligation to actively arrest wrongdoers and assist the police.
Reading some law would help you sometimes.
I agree with you 100%, but i didnt think that was the discussion here. Everyone that is reasonable condemns the violence that occured.
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