Police arresting innocent bystanders for no reason

Rockslinger

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Are you talking about the woman walking home from work or the 2 guys walking home from watching world cup and were arbitrarily detained and arrested for 5 hours?
I assume they were released on the spot when it was safe to do so. Black Blocers don't exactly have "BB" stamped on their foreheads.
 

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I assume they were released on the spot when it was safe to do so. Black Blocers don't exactly have "BB" stamped on their foreheads.
No, the bad guys were sorted out and sent away immediately. The people walking home, waiting for a bus, etc were the ones herded up into a box and held for hours in the rain. Police payback for being in the city I suppose.

From watching the live video, it looked like many of the people being held for hours were office girls coming home from work, wearing heals and skirts. Being threatened by the police and crying… It was NOT the tattooed and pierced group wearing hoodies that was herded up and held in the rain.

Would be like if the cops block the road and arrest someone in a car, and then tell everyone else that is on the road to stand in a field for 3 hours, with the threat of physical violence and charges if they don’t.
 

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Thanks Dave & Rockslinger! Too many voices screaming police brutality and wrongful arrest from the media and a myriad of protesters. I saw the weapons seized by the police from some - is that what free speech and the right to protest is about - showing up with weapons?
Did you read the Globe and Mail this morning -- at least some of the weapons were BS - taken from someone passing through Union Station on his way to an event where the padded arrows were to be used.

Also pocket knives were listed as weapons.

BTW could you PM me I have several used cars and a bridge for sale
 

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And at least some of the protesters were there to burn police cars and smash windows. These guys were organized and came with an agenda.

And they should have been dealt with. Not the BS that actually happened. Arresting people who were doing nothing illegal and the BSing us about it all
 

Rockslinger

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And at least some of the protesters were there to burn police cars and smash windows. These guys were organized and came with an agenda.
There should be a report on the actions of the "protestors" and their complicity in the violence (enablers). It is hard to believe that the Black Bloc could have wreck their havoc without aiding and abetting by the protest organizers. These protestors are master liars.
 

Rockslinger

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Arresting people who were doing nothing illegal and the BSing us about it all
Is damaging property and blocking intersections where you live legal? Is aiding and abetting people in the damaging of property where you live legal? Then we should send these protestors to your city.
 

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Did you read the Globe and Mail this morning -- at least some of the weapons were BS - taken from someone passing through Union Station on his way to an event where the padded arrows were to be used.

Also pocket knives were listed as weapons.

BTW could you PM me I have several used cars and a bridge for sale
Are pocket knives not weapons?? A police officer will confiscate that if you have one and no good reason for carrying it and is well within his right to arrest you for carrying it.
 

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Is damaging property and blocking intersections where you live legal? Is aiding and abetting people in the damaging of property where you live legal? Then we should send these protestors to your city.
And you know his how?

We know that people going home from work were arrested your lies are not going to change that fact
 

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Are pocket knives not weapons?? A police officer will confiscate that if you have one and no good reason for carrying it and is well within his right to arrest you for carrying it.
No that's a bullshit list. If they were real weapons they should been identified as such.

You don't need a reason to carry a legal pocket knife. If a police officer confiscates it illegally its theft.

The police did not identify any of the pocket knives as illegal weapons but did thier usual bullshit list ---LOOK AT THE WEAPONS now people are saying what weapons you are denying the police lied again.
 

Rockslinger

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We know that people going home from work were arrested your lies are not going to change that fact
If you are referring to that mess at Spadina and Queen, there was an illegal blockage of the intersection. The police issued 3 lawful orders for the lawbreakers to leave before moving in. The "innocent bystanders" were released when it was safe to do so. No different than people detained at an accident scene and then allowed to proceed when safe to do so.

Stop believing all the BS that the protestors and their sympathizers are spewing.
 

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No that's a bullshit list. If they were real weapons they should been identified as such.

You don't need a reason to carry a legal pocket knife. If a police officer confiscates it illegally its theft.

The police did not identify any of the pocket knives as illegal weapons but did thier usual bullshit list ---LOOK AT THE WEAPONS now people are saying what weapons you are denying the police lied again.
Any moron who went downtown with a pocket knife during these protests is just that, a moron. They should have been arrested for stupidity. Again, no sympathy here.
 

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And they should have been dealt with. Not the BS that actually happened. Arresting people who were doing nothing illegal and the BSing us about it all
And your claim that they were not doing anything illegal is based on what?

The police had reasonable grounds to believe that they were part of an unlawful assembly that would have disturbed the peace tumultuously. The police ordered the unlawful assembly to disperse. It did not disperse, and everyone participating in it was therefore guilty of an offense under section 66 of the criminal code of Canada. They were arrested accordingly.

Note that once an assembly is an unlawful assembly it must disperse and even those behaving peacefully are guilty of an offense if they refuse to disperse.
 

Rockslinger

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The police had reasonable grounds to believe that they were part of an assembly that would have disturbed the peace tumultuously, and it therefore it was an unlawful assembly. The police ordered the unlawful assembly to disperse. It did not disperse, and everyone participating in it was therefore guilty of an offense under section 63 of the criminal code of Canada. They were arrested accordingly.
Using another example. It is no different than if the police ask a crowd at an accident scene to disperse or move further back. But, our Guelph is a tough guy and he will probably wave the Charter in the face of the cops and yell "this is a free country" and refuse to move.
 

Rockslinger

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The people walking home, waiting for a bus, etc were the ones herded up into a box and held for hours in the rain. Police payback for being in the city I suppose.
I don't have all the details but the Chief was asked why these folks couldn't have been released sooner. He said that there was another incident close by and it was unsafe to do so any sooner. Can you imagine the outcry if these people were released sooner and some kind of harm came to them?

Again, I think the accident analogy is a good one. I have sat stuck in traffic many times while the police were clearing an accident scene and only allowed to proceed when advised it was safe to do so.
 

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Since when? You can carry a pocket knife on you with a blade less then 3"? that can't be flung open.

"No that's a bullshit list. If they were real weapons they should been identified as such.
You don't need a reason to carry a legal pocket knife. If a police officer confiscates it illegally its theft."

You are both wrong.....from personal experience and having watched it happen to someone.

If you say you carry the knife for self defence or imply that you are going to use it in a manner to inflict injury on someone when asked by the police why you have it they will confiscate it. And can charge you with "weapons dangerous"

If you say you carry it because you like to clean your nails with it or like to whittle while you are bored they may let you go or still may confiscate it depending on the situation you are in. For example, I had a 1 or 2 inch Swiss Army knife, 2 blades and file, on my keychain and tried to go into the court house in Mississauga and had it confiscated.
 

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Any moron who went downtown with a pocket knife during these protests is just that, a moron. They should have been arrested for stupidity. Again, no sympathy here.
No wants your sympathy - I just want you to stop the bs
 

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Using another example. It is no different than if the police ask a crowd at an accident scene to disperse or move further back. But, our Guelph is a tough guy and he will probably wave the Charter in the face of the cops and yell "this is a free country" and refuse to move.
Only a bullshit artist like you would site this as an example.
 

Rockslinger

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For example, I had a 1 or 2 inch Swiss Army knife, 2 blades and file, on my keychain and tried to go into the court house in Mississauga and had it confiscated.
It is always illegal to carry a knife into a courthouse or a police station and it was illegal to carry a knife in the G-20 area on June 26 and 27. Of course, the "Charter Groupies" will argue that it is their constitutional right to carry a knife into a court house and scream "police state" if anybody tries to stop them.
 
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