Police arresting innocent bystanders for no reason

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Presumably the police have probable cause to arrest those that they are. Otherwise they are facing numerious lawsuits for false arrest.
In many cases there appears to have been no probable cause. I think they were using their power to disperse a riot. That included detaining everyone who was present whether or not the individual was seen or even suspected of having engaged in violent behavior.

I'm betting most of them weren't even charged: Just picked up, removed from the scene, and later released.

I would hope and assume that those standing around the area would have heard these words: Her Majesty the Queen charges and commands all persons being assembled immediately to disperse and peaceably to depart to their habitations or their lawful business, on pain of being guilty of an offence for which, on conviction, they may be sentenced to an imprisonment for life. God Save the Queen!

If those words weren't heard then yes I have some concerns about what happened too.
 

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When is China going to host the G20?
I would love to see these anarchist assholes take their bullshit to China.
They only pull this shit here because they know they will be treated with kid gloves and they are right yet people still whine about the brutal police.
 

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In many cases there appears to have been no probable cause. I think they were using their power to disperse a riot. That included detaining everyone who was present whether or not the individual was seen or even suspected of having engaged in violent behavior.

I'm betting most of them weren't even charged: Just picked up, removed from the scene, and later released.
I think you are right but they should have focused of the trouble makers when they were causing trouble on Saturday.
Even if they beat the shit out of some of them I think their approval rating would be 90+%.

Being too passive on Saturday and then lumping everybody together on Sunday was not a good strategy.
 

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There was really two reasons why the Police could arrest.

Given the pending violence, and the 'thrust or push' of the crowd (mob) the POLICE have the grounds to believe that there is a 'pending' BREACH OF THE PEACE. There is a section in the Criminal CODE that allows the Police to arrest for this (IT IS NOT AN OFFENCE, but merely a 'grounds' to arrest. Given the crowd, any and all could have been arrested under these grounds.

But also, given the crowds unwillingness to move on, they were blocking sidewalks etc. I'm sure they were told several times to move along, and when they did not.... they were impeding the rights of 'normal' citizens to enjoy Toronto sidewalks etc. This is considered "Mischief" under the Criminal Code and the Police not only have grounds to arrest this could amount to a Criminal Charge. Mischief occurs when you don;t allow others to enjoy the property they ahve a right to enjoy.

SO THERE ARE THE TWO GROUNDS TO ARREST! And it would include the most innocent and media types as well. They should have moved on.

So to point out..POLICE HAD PROBABLE CAUSE AND THE RIGHT TO ARREST on two separate Criminal Code authorities.

Then of course, there is the charges relating to "Resist Arrest" and 'Assault Police" all of which are legitimate post arrest charges.

The Police did not and should not make any apologies!! Its not like they wanted to all get geared up and go out to fight citizens. They were put there due to the circumstances of the events!!!

AND THANK GOD THEY WERE!!!
 

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When is China going to host the G20?
I can't wait to see that happen. I'd like to see these loser idiots who still live with their mommies at 37 take on real police brutality and a real loss of civilian rights. And China will not spend a billion dollars either, maybe several hundred thousand on bullets to rid the world of a useless blight the human genome.
 

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The problem is, the police and government had an obligation to prtoect the dignataries of the G20, so they had to walk a fine line between security needs and the rights of citizens. The need for security won out. Sunday night people had their charter rights infringed. Sunday saw the Charter of Rights and Freedoms suspended. IF you have to suspend the Charter to hold an international summit in Canada, then you cannot hold a summit in this country. The Charter cannot be suspended (OK on rare occasions such as the FLQ crisis)
What the police did Sunday night by detaining innocent people for no reason, was illegal and wrong.
They then tried to rely on using the excuse of the holligans from saturday to justify illegally detaining innocent peaceful people on Sunday. That doesnt fly with me. but i know some people on here are lumping the holligans in with these normal people, which isnt right.
as well the actions of Police used the Miami Model (google it for wiki definition) intimidation and threat of arrest for peacefully protesting.
No one ever cares about their rights until they need them.
 

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G20 activists rally to denounce police tactics

G20 protesters are gathering across from the Toronto Police Service Headquarters, to denounce what they say is excessive use of force and mistreatment of those arrested.

Police have bolstered security around the building, and one man has already been arrested.

A crowd has gathered on the south side of College Street, and more police are arriving on TTC buses.

"Over the past two days, police have rounded up and arrested hundreds of people," the Toronto Community Mobilization Network said Monday in a news release.

"They have been denied access to lawyers, telephones, food and water, and held in deplorable conditions in makeshift steel cages.

"We need to get our people out. We need to take our city back from the armed fortress that it has been turned into."

More than 900 people have been arrested since June 18 as a result of the mayhem and vandalism that occurred on the weekend. More than 600 of those arrests occurred in the past two days.

CTV Toronto's Paul Bliss said as of Monday morning, many people were waiting outside the temporary detention centre on Eastern Avenue for their loved ones to be released.

Special courts have been set up to process prisoners, but the high volume has made for slow going.

Bliss said many people coming out of the detention centre said they didn't know it was a crime to wear black downtown.

On Saturday, a peaceful protest organized by the labour movement moved out from Queen's Park.

An organized group of vandals using so-called Black Bloc tactics emerged from the crowd -- and mayhem ensued.

For about 90 minutes, the vandals damaged banks and coffee shops. No damage total is available yet.

In response, the police conducted raids and arrests at the University of Toronto, picking up people who had travelled here from Quebec. That province has an active militant anarchist scene.

On Sunday, police were actively stopping and questioning young people on downtown streets. They continued making arrests.

There were police-demonstrator clashes outside the detention centre, leading to more arrests and officers firing tear gas pellets.

Late in the afternoon, a large group of people was spotted walking westward on Queen Street West. They stopped at Spadina Avenue and took over the intersection.

Hundreds of police in riot gear boxed them in on Spadina Avenue. Police claim they had information that a group of Black Bloc vandals might have been donning masks, picking up weapons and preparing to engage in more vandalism.

Police then made an estimated 100 arrests before the crowd, soaked by heavy rains, was allowed to disperse.

Mayor David Miller and Chief Bill Blair have both defended the conduct of police on the weekend.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...anti-police-rally-100628/20100628?hub=Toronto
 

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I haven't read all the pages of this, but I get the impression that some people think they were abused by the police. Sorry, people, but there is no comparison with actual real-life (or death) human rights abuses. Give thanks for all the soldiers and others who have given their lives so you can whine...

• June 2009: Tehran. Hundreds of thousands gather peacefully to protest a questionable election. The government responds with brutality. Dozens are killed, hundreds injured, thousands arrested.
• July: China. Troops fire on Uighur protesters; 200 killed, 1,700 injured.
• August: Russia. Two aid workers killed in Chechnya, government complicity suspected.
• September: Yemen. Government warplanes bomb a refugee camp, killing 80. This council’s response? Silence.
• October: Iraq. A terrorist attacks a mosque, killing the imam and 14 others.
• November: The Philippines. Massacre of 57 opposition activists.
• December : Iran. Renewed protests meet with bullets, beatings, arrests; 10 killed.
• January: Pakistan. In 42 attacks, 182 civilians killed. Council’s response? Silence.
• February: Afghanistan. A Taliban attack kills 18, injuring 32, including doctors.
• March: Nigeria. Five hundred Christians slaughtered in religious killings.
• April: Kyrgyzstan. Troops fire on demonstrators; 84 killed.
• May: Libya executes 18 foreigners, without due process.
http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/columnists/peter_worthington/2010/06/25/14516151.html
 

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Great now our citizens want to have a communist government that abuses human rights.
Remember people, this thread was talking about the illegal detainment and arrest of 200 innocent people for doing nothing. Not the idiots who caused trouble on saturday. please dont get the 2 mixed up. Police had the support of virtually every right minded person to arrest those idiots, this situatiion and queen and spadina is different.
 

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Yes all those atrocities suck big time. Thankfully we live in Canada adn we have people stick up for their rights. this is why i speak out, because i like the country i live in, ilike being able to give my opinion.
yes the scale of abuse is different but people still need to be held accountable for their actions, lest we find ourselves going down the sliperry road of have rights taken away.
 

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I would hope and assume that those standing around the area would have heard these words:

Her Majesty the Queen charges and commands all persons being assembled immediately to disperse and peaceably to depart to their habitations or their lawful business, on pain of being guilty of an offence for which, on conviction, they may be sentenced to an imprisonment for life. God Save the Queen!

If those words weren't heard then yes I have some concerns about what happened too.
Ah, I love the Riot Act :)
 

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I haven't read all the pages of this, but I get the impression that some people think they were abused by the police. Sorry, people, but there is no comparison with actual real-life (or death) human rights abuses. Give thanks for all the soldiers and others who have given their lives so you can whine...
[OddSox here quotes the Sun's list of horrible governments as if that made ours better. TERBs software won't put a Q into a Q]
http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/columnists/peter_worthington/2010/06/25/14516151.html
And anyone who says people should just STFU, or worse that they should be arrested for exercising their rights of free speech and assembly and not complain and seek redress, squanders the brave sacrifice of those people and turns what they died for into a lie.

Given that there were about 5,000 of a police force of some 20,000 on the streets at any one time it would be amazing if there weren't some instances of abuse. Given the provocation and the dangers it's quite likely there were more than a few instances of overzealous and frustrated officers forgetting they serve and protect marchers and demonstrators too,

But the Chief made it admirably clear that he and the police leadership had not forgotten, and it was remarkable thru the weekend how well led, and disciplined, and how calm and restrained the police were, for all that mistakes were likely made. Because things are not as bad as either the radical left or rigidly right believe, we can expect that the truth of these matters will come out in the push and shove of free debate, over the days to come.
 

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Not the way it looks right now on CP 24. I am guessing you are giving us the benefit of your opinion without viewing what is actually occurring.
Since I am well out of town - you would be correct.

And when not on the clock, I do tend to give the police the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise, the life of a Constable can be quite thankless.

However, even as I said if it turns out that these arrests were not justified. . . .
 

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I have 0 sympathy for anyone arrested over the last week.

Zero.

You should not have been there. There was no need to part of a riot and a riot was what it was.

The Feds should have rented Downsview and said to EVERYONE, "you want to protest, fine, here is your free speech zone, we'll build you a stage, supply some Johnny on the Spots, and here's some free water" "Protest all you want"

"But come downtown and you're guilty of inciting a riot and we'll bust your ass."

How much you wanna bet that NOT ONE of those arrested woudl have taken the Downsview route. They wanted to be where the fun was and they got busted. Suck it up. You knew that that was a risk. No-one took the rubber hoses to you.
 

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However, even as I said if it turns out that these arrests were not justified. . . .
When the paddy wagon comes they arrest all the girls and then it gets sorted out at the detention centre. For the life of me why would anyone want to take over an intersection?
 

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My favourite thing (if you can call it that) from this past weekend is the number of people who spew about 'their rights' and haven't the first clue as to what those rights are.
 

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My favourite thing (if you can call it that) from this past weekend is the number of people who spew about 'their rights' and haven't the first clue as to what those rights are.
I think Canadians know their rights pretty well. and BTW you dont have to be or should you have to be an intellect to know and assert your rights and most of all, stand up for them.
whats the point to try and come on here and assert your intellectual superiority when we are talking about basic canadian rights, like the charter.
 

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When the paddy wagon comes they arrest all the girls and then it gets sorted out at the detention centre. For the life of me why would anyone want to take over an intersection?
I tend to agree with you. And I hope that the I's were dotted and the T's crossed.
 
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