Why we are in Afghanistan
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yeah, i never understood the link between the taliban and terrorists, other than the taliban renting out space, like a convention hall
sure, the taliban are scum, but is karzai any better?, and imo, the afghanis are the ones who should be deciding their own govt
so ... going after terrorists, that are most likely long gone ... and helping the afghani people (yeah, right) don't seem too plausible to me
sure, the taliban are scum, but is karzai any better?, and imo, the afghanis are the ones who should be deciding their own govt
so ... going after terrorists, that are most likely long gone ... and helping the afghani people (yeah, right) don't seem too plausible to me
Nottyboi, didn't you play this same tune in a thread earlier this week?
The few days that have passed haven't suddenly made it true.
The few days that have passed haven't suddenly made it true.
Has not made in untrue has it? I think this article provides some pretty interesting information that backs up my belief that Afghanistan is just a war to grab resources.Nottyboi, didn't you play this same tune in a thread earlier this week?
The few days that have passed haven't suddenly made it true.
If Afghanistan winds up being "exploited" for its resources via the construction of many new projects, creating lots of jobs, and generating wealth for the country, giving people hope for their future, and providing decent dignified lives in exchange for respectable work, well that would be horrible wouldn't it?
The US has been invilved in 244 foreign conflicts since Thomas Jefferson. If you think this War is about anything other than exploiting Afghanistans rsources...you either don't know your geo political history ( And I suspect the Pentagon doesn't ), or you've drank too much of the kool-aid.
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How many times has that ever happened in this entire history of the USA? Do you still believe in the tooth fairy Fuji? How about Santa Claus....dressed as he is in a Coca Cola outfit lolIf Afghanistan winds up being "exploited" for its resources via the construction of many new projects, creating lots of jobs, and generating wealth for the country, giving people hope for their future, and providing decent dignified lives in exchange for respectable work, well that would be horrible wouldn't it?
Let's look at Iraq. Everyone knows that at some level it was about oil, but exactly WHAT about oil?
Was it ever the American plan to come in and rip off the Iraqis of their oil, take it for free, or pay less for it than it's worth? No.
The American interest is in a stable world oil supply. They are willing to pay the full fair market rate for oil, but they want the supply of oil to be steady and reliable. They want to secure the middle east so that the business of extracting oil can continue undisrupted by political interference. They don't mind paying what it's worth, they don't even mind if someone else buys it, so long as it's sold in the open world market at the market rate.
That has the potential to be a win for everyone: The Americans get their stable supply of oil, but they pay the fair market value for it. The people of the Middle East get jobs and income and an opportunity to make a pile of money selling their oil at the fair price.
Now that's the POTENTIAL of the situation, and the American GOAL. Obviously they didn't completely succeed in putting down the "political interference", which has manifested itself in a particularly bloody and gruesome ongoing civil war in Iraq.
I think it's fair to ask whether the cost of that war has been too high, and it seems to me that it has been very much too high a cost in lives and destruction. That wasn't the plan or the goal though, that in my view is the result of a not very competent implementation of a reasonably sound strategy.
George W. Bush should not be blamed for deciding to invade Iraq, he should be blamed for having fucked up the execution of it through some poor administrative decisions early on and other basic errors.
Was it ever the American plan to come in and rip off the Iraqis of their oil, take it for free, or pay less for it than it's worth? No.
The American interest is in a stable world oil supply. They are willing to pay the full fair market rate for oil, but they want the supply of oil to be steady and reliable. They want to secure the middle east so that the business of extracting oil can continue undisrupted by political interference. They don't mind paying what it's worth, they don't even mind if someone else buys it, so long as it's sold in the open world market at the market rate.
That has the potential to be a win for everyone: The Americans get their stable supply of oil, but they pay the fair market value for it. The people of the Middle East get jobs and income and an opportunity to make a pile of money selling their oil at the fair price.
Now that's the POTENTIAL of the situation, and the American GOAL. Obviously they didn't completely succeed in putting down the "political interference", which has manifested itself in a particularly bloody and gruesome ongoing civil war in Iraq.
I think it's fair to ask whether the cost of that war has been too high, and it seems to me that it has been very much too high a cost in lives and destruction. That wasn't the plan or the goal though, that in my view is the result of a not very competent implementation of a reasonably sound strategy.
George W. Bush should not be blamed for deciding to invade Iraq, he should be blamed for having fucked up the execution of it through some poor administrative decisions early on and other basic errors.
That is a rather charitable term for armed robbery on an international scale....I think it's what ordinarily happens.
What you call "exploiting their resources" others would call "trade" and "development".
Who has been robbed of what?That is a rather charitable term for armed robbery on an international scale....
thousands have been robbed of their lives many will be pushed off their land, there will be vast corruption etc... exactly what we have seen before, time and time again.Who has been robbed of what?
Sorry don't see it. What have the robbers come away with? Where's the loot?thousands have been robbed of their lives many will be pushed off their land, there will be vast corruption etc... exactly what we have seen before, time and time again.
What do you think you put in your tank everyday? Do you think EXXON is a charitable organization. What about all the $$ Haliburton makes from tendered contracts. What about all the tax payers money being used to secure profitable opportunities for private companies? What about all the resentment that results in planes flying into buildings. Why do we have more right to tell those people how to live then they have to tell us? You cal already see all the strains on societal norms from immigration. What makes our way better the theirs?Sorry don't see it. What have the robbers come away with? Where's the loot?
Gas for which we pay the full market price. See my point? The US isn't trying to get free or cheap product out of Iraq, it's trying to secure and stablize the market. That has the POTENTIAL to be a win-win: Both buyer and seller benefit from a stable market.What do you think you put in your tank everyday?
The fact that it went differently is due to incompetent implementation.
Wow are you really that stupid or are you just yanking my chain? How do you think oil companies secure drilling rights? Do you think the oil market is completely free? Who is the buyer and who is the seller? Are the people getting their lives ruined on the gulf coast the "sellers" What about all the displaced people and victims of pollution in these third world countries? Do you think they are better off? Also one more question, was that sleazy executive in Avatar based on your character?Gas for which we pay the full market price. See my point? The US isn't trying to get free or cheap product out of Iraq, it's trying to secure and stablize the market. That has the POTENTIAL to be a win-win: Both buyer and seller benefit from a stable market.
The fact that it went differently is due to incompetent implementation.
Please Nottyboi how about showing us some examples of how much better other States have been over the milenia than the evil U.S.? France? Germany? Japan? the Soviet Union?How many times has that ever happened in this entire history of the USA? Do you still believe in the tooth fairy Fuji? How about Santa Claus....dressed as he is in a Coca Cola outfit lol
Have you ever seen The Mouse that Roared?
Presumably you are aware that U.S. Oil Corporations do NOT have large interests in Iraq.What do you think you put in your tank everyday? Do you think EXXON is a charitable organization.
