Revoke Smoking Ban In Toronto?
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Ever found it funny how if you smoke, you get NO support from the government or health plans for smoking cessation programs?
But if you're addicted to crack, meth, heroin, coke, speed, hash, dope, they not only throw money at you, but put you in rehad centers, give you food and clothing, and pay for individual and group therapy........
(btw, it is a scientific fact that nicotine is more addictive than any of those drugs)
Ever found it funny how if you smoke, you get NO support from the government or health plans for smoking cessation programs?
But if you're addicted to crack, meth, heroin, coke, speed, hash, dope, they not only throw money at you, but put you in rehad centers, give you food and clothing, and pay for individual and group therapy........
(btw, it is a scientific fact that nicotine is more addictive than any of those drugs)
nope. I think you're referring to other cardio pulmonary issues caused by smoking but cholesteral isn't one of them......
what he said ^^^^^ in spades........
What I find really funny is that the anit-smokers/pro ban cannot give me ONE solid reason against having a place that allows smoking. Sorry, you can't use the excuse that "second hand smoke is bad" because anyone there KNOWS that.......
I'm against fucking fat chicks but you don't see me trying to stop anyone from doing it.......
doc never mentioned that when we were talking about cholesteral........good to know......
What I find really funny is that the anit-smokers/pro ban cannot give me ONE solid reason against having a place that allows smoking. Sorry, you can't use the excuse that "second hand smoke is bad" because anyone there KNOWS that.......
I'm against fucking fat chicks but you don't see me trying to stop anyone from doing it.......
I haven't did it yet but I have thought of getting a smoking allowed hotel room just so the SP can have her smoke, lol
But I do dislike the smell of tobbacco, pot I like thou, lol
see? I hate the smell of skunk weed.......now some really good hash? Or a nice euro blend of tabacco? or a good $5.00 cigar?
Toronto should have public places to smoke indoors because the weather is so poor many days. Heck it should be like for health reasons ha ha. True smoking anything can not be healthy for you but freezing your butt off having a smoke outside must be even more harmful to your health.
You know NY City has a city wide smoking ban but its well known that in certain areas the law like looks the other way--some high end clubs too.
Smokers tend to go to those clubs and the non smokers go else where. But its not the law, just how it worked out. Even the mayor has been know to be with his rich cigar smoking buddies--but he lied and said it wasn't true.
Smokers tend to go to those clubs and the non smokers go else where. But its not the law, just how it worked out. Even the mayor has been know to be with his rich cigar smoking buddies--but he lied and said it wasn't true.
I don't miss that now, so why would I ever miss it in the future? (I guess I am not sufficiently on your "radar" for you to know- I DON'T EAT fast food EVER or any processed foods for that matter.... The only time I ever eat a hamburger is when I personally make it, or it is otherwise "homemade".)But you'll miss it
Personally I would like too see the cessation of the habit altogether.
In the end the user is going too suffer and that is something that is hard too watch and go through.
I know you are going too say that it is your right too die anyway you want but I'd rather see you live the best way you can.
I appreciate your concern but I do....(live the best life that I can).
I don't have many bad habits....other than sp's and cigs that is. I don't eat fried foods (rarely if I do), don't drink coffee, don't eat red meat, don't drink, don't do drugs, don't stay up too late, hell even my DOC says to me: I realize that you dont' have many if any bad habits but one day we REALLY have to start thinking about you quitting. Then she proceeded to give me a lung capacity test and I cam out above average. She got the results and said...SHIT....thought I could throw this in your face as a reason to quit lol.....
First, I am a non smoker. I love being able to go to places that are smoke free. Including bars and resteraunts. I agree with tboy about public places like hospitals, universites etc being smoke free. As everyone should have a right to enjoy these places. I don't think anyone will argue with that.
In theory, I think tboy has been hitting the nail right on the head. In a PRIVATE establishment, such as a bar, it would be nice if the owner had the choice to make it a smoke free place or to allow smoking. However, the issue i see with this is no bar owner, in his right mind, would ban smoking. 100% of bars would allow it. So where is a freedom of choice there for people who want to go to grab a drink at a popular venue without second hand smoke? Where would waitresses be able to get jobs where they aren't exposed?
I would ban the sale of tobacco at retail outlets across Canada.
I wouldn't criminalize the act of smoking itself or possession of any quantity of tobacco. I would just force people to drive to Indian reservations to get their fix or make them drive across the border and purchase 50 cartons to last them for the next year.
Petty institutional harrassment like that would reduce tobacco consumption by 80% in this country.
Smoking is such a pointless, stupid, weird activity for people to engage in.
I wouldn't criminalize the act of smoking itself or possession of any quantity of tobacco. I would just force people to drive to Indian reservations to get their fix or make them drive across the border and purchase 50 cartons to last them for the next year.
Petty institutional harrassment like that would reduce tobacco consumption by 80% in this country.
Smoking is such a pointless, stupid, weird activity for people to engage in.
Prone too hyperbole much up there in outerspace?
That is not the logical extension of my reasoning at all.
there simply are no benefits at all too smoking and therefore I question as too why we even allow it.
Lets be honest if it was invented today it would be illegal.
hitlers lack of vices have nothing too do with it.
I'm at this Sales seminar once by this gent Zig Ziggler and he comes out with the statement that he will not enter into any type of partnership with anyone who smokes.
His reasoning is that their judgement cannot be trusted.
Too me thats pretty far out there.
Listen I would propose increasing the purchase age every year till we get to a point that a person will have to be fifty to buy a pack of cigarettes.
Slowly the problem would be fazed (sp?) out
The bars are a conundrum for sure.If you allow them too do what they want then every bar will be a smoking bar.
Then the non smokers with be forced too breath in the second hand smoke.
Your argue ment will be if you don't like it then don't go which is reasonable.
If there was a referendum on the subject maybe that could help decide the issue.
that's because we're bigger drinkers, better tippers, and generally more fun to be around.
There's nothing wrong with someone smoking. That's their right, no one has any business meddling with it. Including telling them whiat can or cannot be in the smoke. But that's another story.
However this thread is not about someon's right to smoke. It's about revoking the ban on smoking in bars and other public places. That ban is the only thing that keeps smokers from forcing their unwanted smoke on others. It's about the non-smokers' right to be free from smoke. It's about the smokers' responsibility to keep their effluent to themselves. It's about how we get along together in public places.
No one can complain if you want to pee in your own pool. But you are not allowed to pee in a public pool. You can smoke in your own place, just not in a publiuc one. Exactly the same principle.
So far I'm unaware of anyone proposing to open an establishment specifically for smoking, a real cigar bar, where the point of going was to smoke, not just a liquor bar with a humidor. If they did, I'd be in favour of amending the public place definition to allow it. But the suggestions I'm reading here and have heard elsewhere are as much a matter of free choice for smokers and protection for the majority as putting "Warning, Contains Toxic or Diseased Materials" on sausages would protect free choice for pus eaters and be fair warning for the rest of us.
However this thread is not about someon's right to smoke. It's about revoking the ban on smoking in bars and other public places. That ban is the only thing that keeps smokers from forcing their unwanted smoke on others. It's about the non-smokers' right to be free from smoke. It's about the smokers' responsibility to keep their effluent to themselves. It's about how we get along together in public places.
No one can complain if you want to pee in your own pool. But you are not allowed to pee in a public pool. You can smoke in your own place, just not in a publiuc one. Exactly the same principle.
So far I'm unaware of anyone proposing to open an establishment specifically for smoking, a real cigar bar, where the point of going was to smoke, not just a liquor bar with a humidor. If they did, I'd be in favour of amending the public place definition to allow it. But the suggestions I'm reading here and have heard elsewhere are as much a matter of free choice for smokers and protection for the majority as putting "Warning, Contains Toxic or Diseased Materials" on sausages would protect free choice for pus eaters and be fair warning for the rest of us.
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