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Are you attracted to all ethnicities equally, or are you like John Mayer?

winstar

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This is stuff and nonsense on so many levels.

First, if Chinese investors make their investment decisions based on hearsay about whether a country is racist then they aren't going to do very well. They will be poor investors who lose their clients money and they will fail.

Second, it's utter crap to begin with. Canada is one of the most immigrant friendly countries there are anywhere. That quote is in fact NOT what immigrants say about Canada. That may be what they say about Switzerland. So, you are full of shit on that one: What other country are they going to invest their money in that you think is less racist than Canada? What a joke.

Third, your notion that China's markets expanding mean that China is going to be able to act like the big boss and tell everyone what to do is retarded. Take a look at past nations that dominated the world: When Britain lost out to the Americans, how badly have they suffered? Survey says life is pretty good in Britain.

The reality is this: When China does eventually displace America as the worlds largest economy life is going to be pretty damn good in America. The American standard of living will continue to be higher than the Chinese standard of living, and Americans will go on living their lives pretty much exactly the same way they do today.

While the Chinese value money above all else, and could care less what other people think, they also don't take being disrespected very well. Now Chinese investors may not care about racial issues when it comes to making money, but it does come into play when they have alternatives. Where they have the option of trading with one country over another, and whether or not they are treated respectfully or not. China is much more of a collectivist culture than it is individualistic, and the overall country values communism rather than democracy. The culture has evolved into a hyper-capitalistic market. The government is positioning itself to be the world's economic superpower, while individual investors are pulling back from Western nations. Now if you think Chinese investors don't buy on hearsay, you are mistaken. Some of Toronto's top investors, both Chinese and White have told me this, and I'm not talking about some kid with a $50000 RRSP. But whatever, don't believe me. that's fine.

Now as for Britain losing to the US, that's a different story than what is playing out today. Britain and the US have historical and political ties that date back to the development of the country. Both countries are democratic and capitalist. Both are dominated by white people with similar value systems. Both are political and economic allies. It was merely the replacement of one Western power for the other.

What is happening now is that Western markets are weak, Asian markets are strong. There are opposing viewpoints both in culture and politically, and in this case, you have an Eastern, non-white, collectivist, communist/capitalist hybrid emerging, with the assumption that they are better than their Western counterpart. Not only do you have completely different cultures, but philosophies and political systems, so no, when China takes over, it won't be the same. China makes all the goods that Americans consume. The US cannot offer something else comparable in return. Commodities such as oil are going to Middle Eastern and African nations. And China is expanding their technological and agricultural industries independently of the West. In short, the West has nothing of value to offer them, but the reverse is not true. This arrangement will make North America progressively weaker and Asian markets stronger. As it is right now, India has the largest middle class population in the world. How they are treated and viewed matter. And if you think that the way they are treated in this country has no bearing on the economics of things you are sorrily mistaken. All it means is that instead of taking a submissive position, Asia will move forward in a dominant position, because they know North American sentiments about them all too well. And there is a difference between owning a commodity as opposed to being a consumer of it. China may decide to be a majority shareholder in a Canadian commodity such as oil, and they'll sell it back to Canadians at a higher price than if this country consumed it themselves. China's ownership of Western commodities does not give back to Canada. Canada is basically outsourcing it's commodity to China, and China will sell it back to Canadians at a higher price. Who's sucking whose cock now?

If you think America's standard of living will continue to be good, you have no connection with what is happening all throughout America right now. People are broke. China is positioning itself to be the big boss and already has done so, only most of North America is largely unaware of this, because the US media isn't reporting it.

By the way, winstar, my experience is that in Canada immigrants are not discriminated against because of their racial background, in general. They are discriminated against because they have accents and fail to connect culturally with the locals. Their children and their grandchildren, who speak without accent, who "get" Canadian culture, tend not to face the "racism" their parents imagine.

The reality is that if you have a thick accent and you are out of touch with the local culture then you naturally fail to make the social connections that are important in life. Such is not racism.

If you are an immigrant and you have had a tough time in your career or socially I strongly suggest you work on eliminating your accent.
Immigrants are discriminated against not because of their racial backgrounds, but because of their accents? Hmmm....I'm not even going to touch that one. Rather than discuss that, I'll leave this one as it is, and let others weigh in on that.
 

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In response to the our olympic team and how many races other than caucasian are on it, well, typically winter sports aren't that popular with other races. For eg: I don't know many (if any) asians snowmobile, (yeah I know it isn't an olympic sport but you get my drift. Same as when I skied, I don't remember seeing many black people on the slopes. Just take a look at the teams from african or carribean countries, how many athletes do THEY put into the games? I think there's one ethiopian......and 1 from cayman islands. So if their home country can't put forth a team, why do you expect them to be on a team in their host country? (yes I realize many were born here and are as Canadian as I am but the mindset just hasn't set in yet about winter sports).
Sure a quick look at the medals have Korea is just behind Canada (but more gold) - if the two Korean speed skaters didn't wipe each other out, Korea would have more medals than Canada. China has two less. Sure they're both much bigger countries (population wise) but still.

Now I'm not saying that's there should be affirmative action, that's just plain stupid. I'm just saying something doesn't add up and it's not just the Winter Olympics it's Summer too. But my harshest criticism isn't the composition of Team Canada. It's VANOC, the Vancouver Organizing Committee (I'm not even going near CTV), the public face of Canada to the world. White, white and white unlike some venues in Vancouver. Canadians whose ancestry is Asian or African/Caribbean can't handle a press conference? Can't be spokespersons? What they no tink we no speak engrish good?

Having said that I'm not bitter or anything, I'm geared up in Team Canada wear, my kids have the red mits and I jump up and down and shout at my TV when we win a medal. That's because l'm Canadian. I'm just saying.

This has very little to do with racism. First, you need to look at Canada's population demographics. Then come back to me and tell me what percentage of Canadian athletes are supposed to be minorities. Second, do a little investigation on what types of countries minorities tend to emigrate from (hint: not always ones with snow). Third, examine cultural factors. Is the guy who has never touched a pair of skis in his life likely to be interested in skiing let alone become an olympian at that sport?
Countries that don't have snow. Types of countries minorities tend to emigrate from. Hmmmm - China is the top sources according the 2006 Census. Guess what? China has a shitload of snow, except your ignorant ass wouldn't know that. Heck, even India, #2 immigrant source has snow and they have a regiment trained in alpine warfare (courtesy of the Kashmir) and the mountain range (which includes Mount Everest) that straddles the India/Nepal border. So before telling me to investigate, get your head out of your ass with your preconceived ideas before you expose your ignorance.

Seriously, and as a short answer to your question, I think that the way to go is by doing just what you've been doing. Talk about it. Challenge the dominant interpretation. But don't believe or be arrogant enough to think that the change you wish for is going to happen instantly, and that people are going to "see the light" just because you present them with a different perspective.
Bingo. I'm Asian and I'm covertly racist, I admit it. But I work to overcome it and I will certainly call someone out on it (see above). Heck, sometimes I think Little Lurker is the least racist part of me. In hindsight, I now wonder some of the women from different ethnic groups that I socially interacted with (and if lucky) slept with, I did so only because of Little Lurker's equal opportunity attitude and that I would not otherwise invite them home if it was to hang out as "friends".
 

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But my harshest criticism isn't the composition of Team Canada. It's VANOC, the Vancouver Organizing Committee (I'm not even going near CTV), the public face of Canada to the world. White, white and white unlike some venues in Vancouver. Canadians whose ancestry is Asian or African/Caribbean can't handle a press conference? Can't be spokespersons? What they no tink we no speak engrish good?
The first nations are represented very well in these games. And they are of asian decent.

But overall yeah VANOC could have done a better job. But many countries don't get it right either. China is a huge country with many many different ethnic groups (Uighurs, Mongols, Tatars, Tibetians, etc) but it was all Han Chinese up front and centre in Beijing 2008.
 

winstar

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Now I'm not saying that's there should be affirmative action, that's just plain stupid. I'm just saying something doesn't add up and it's not just the Winter Olympics it's Summer too. But my harshest criticism isn't the composition of Team Canada. It's VANOC, the Vancouver Organizing Committee (I'm not even going near CTV), the public face of Canada to the world. White, white and white unlike some venues in Vancouver. Canadians whose ancestry is Asian or African/Caribbean can't handle a press conference? Can't be spokespersons? What they no tink we no speak engrish good?
Exactly right again lurkerjoe!

The coverage and representation with respect to Canada's athletes and coverage within Canada is noticeably racist. In fact from your first post about VANOC, I was going to mention CTV's coverage, but forgot to. CTV is the worst. Their coverage of the games and their programming in general is inherently racist. CBC is better, in that you have people like Ian Hanomansing who is visibly covering the event for the CBC. It's easy to say that all Canadian media is racist, but I have noticed that the CBC seems to be aware of this and is evolving, while CTV has a strong racist sentiment obvious throughout it productions and programming choices. They also own about 30% of all cable channels on regular cable (at least in the area of Toronto I reside in).
 
Way off topic. Where's mongrel4 u to chip in his 2 chicken wings?

Nevertheless, cry me a river lazy/incompetent blacks/latinos/even white canadians, westernized culture has gave you a huge
benefit over "nerdy/dorky " Asian foreigners that try and compensate with hard work, but barely get the equivalent respect...
The world is holding the oriental down more than the black man.... if anything. Asians work harder and lack certain western culture.
Blacks have that down(westernized,) just STFU and work harder, whites easily relate to you more already....you have game, even broke
blacks/latinos that are "smooth" cool, have an edge, still get more girls than Asians, and even some old bald white guy that have to go to thailand.
White women here, are outta their league....as far some white Canadians working hard in trades, here and there, but its because
most weren't CUT for corporate university jobs... maybe liberal arts or community college... and the rest are lazy drunken UNIONS.
As someone mentioned, France(lazy), or in HS the smooth blacks/latinos > whites > asian/indian, got all the girls, still similar in GTA.
Even asian women venture to their tropy WHITE man, but the inverse is rarely applied, women(other cultures) dont care about the successful chinaman (doesnt make up for lack of personality, dryness, being lame, and their ENDOWMENT) =)
even broke guys with game get MORE girls. Slavery and picking cotton is the past, the chinaman railroadsman have it worse, only APPEAR better,
(financial terms only)due to hard work.

FCUK all these tax hikes, unions, hst, new home ownership laws, ttc, teachers, profs, garbage strike, DMV, york TAs, college instructors, GO transit, etc
Go to HK or somewhere like Germany, they would laugh at our lazy entitled ways. But I LOVE CANADA =)

Lastly, lazy white drunken whites should compare to spadina chinamen, and even they work harder.
To be fair, perhaps its mostly resources, lot of RICH EUROPEAN(if you consider white), are quite high rollers.
Those type of businessmen, you compare to rich HK investors. Woodbridge, Oakville, Bridlepath, Rose Dale, etc
I rarely see rich asians in Ferrari's, I can use the penis extension while I secretly JERK OFF to white women.

Within the same league, white is unfortunately right....for now.
Asians appear MORE racist, but really is a defense mechanism, cause they avoid eye contact, and are INTIMIDATED
by the white/black man. If anything orientals get dissed more.
 

GotGusto

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Countries that don't have snow. Types of countries minorities tend to emigrate from. Hmmmm - China is the top sources according the 2006 Census. Guess what? China has a shitload of snow, except your ignorant ass wouldn't know that. Heck, even India, #2 immigrant source has snow and they have a regiment trained in alpine warfare (courtesy of the Kashmir) and the mountain range (which includes Mount Everest) that straddles the India/Nepal border. So before telling me to investigate, get your head out of your ass with your preconceived ideas before you expose your ignorance.
Terrific. Some parts of China gets snow, and some parts of India do too. I never said otherwise. Based on the population sizes of those nations I suppose they should be taking home 99% of the winter olympic medals.

Now to the second part of my reply that you selectively ignored. What percentage of Canada's population is composed of Chinese and Indians, or other? Exactly how much representation are they supposed to have in the winter olympics?

winstar claims that canada is 90% white, and it wouldn't surprise me if that percentage is higher for Canada's winter olympic athletes.

I think that you're choosing to wage ridiculous battles.
 

lurkerjoe

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Terrific. Some parts of China gets snow, and some parts of India do too. I never said otherwise. Based on the population sizes of those nations I suppose they should be taking home 99% of the winter olympic medals.

Now to the second part of my reply that you selectively ignored. What percentage of Canada's population is composed of Chinese and Indians, or other? Exactly how much representation are they supposed to have in the winter olympics?

winstar claims that canada is 90% white, and it wouldn't surprise me if that percentage is higher for Canada's winter olympic athletes.

I think that you're choosing to wage ridiculous battles.
You never said otherwise, so your (hint: not always ones with snow) means what? What are you hinting at? I didn't selectively ignore your comment. I addressed by saying this wasn't about affirmative action, read my post. It's not about ratios or a numbers game, I'm just saying that it seems odd to me that I haven't seen VANOC (or CTV) have ethnic minority representation on TV (I'm not talking about grunt volunteers or some low-level staffer). Now I admit I don't watch the Olypics 27/7 so I may be wrong but I'm saying its weird.

Also, iif you're going to use another poster's claims as evidence, I have great swampland in New Orleans for you to invest in. Trust me.
 

winstar

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winstar claims that canada is 90% white, and it wouldn't surprise me if that percentage is higher for Canada's winter olympic athletes.
Also, iif you're going to use another poster's claims as evidence, I have great swampland in New Orleans for you to invest in. Trust me.
Actually, that data is a little outdated (I was using Indian, Black and Chinese populations, which comprise about 10% of the Canadian population according to the 2006 Census.) To be more specific, and to my pleasant surprise the numbers are much higher (16% visible minority, 84% white), with South Asians -i.e. Indian, representing the largest group of persons of color (even greater than the Chinese population) in Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada

Which means there should be even more representation in the media than there is now.
 

GotGusto

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While the Chinese value money above all else, and could care less what other people think, they also don't take being disrespected very well. Now Chinese investors may not care about racial issues when it comes to making money, but it does come into play when they have alternatives. Where they have the option of trading with one country over another, and whether or not they are treated respectfully or not. China is much more of a collectivist culture than it is individualistic, and the overall country values communism rather than democracy. The culture has evolved into a hyper-capitalistic market. The government is positioning itself to be the world's economic superpower, while individual investors are pulling back from Western nations. Now if you think Chinese investors don't buy on hearsay, you are mistaken. Some of Toronto's top investors, both Chinese and White have told me this, and I'm not talking about some kid with a $50000 RRSP. But whatever, don't believe me. that's fine.
Individualistic cultures are superior to collectivist cultures, and capitalism is superior to communism. You should pray that the former systems prevail or are embraced by whicheverr nation eventually becomes the dominant nation worldwide.

In the world of business, all that matters is money. China is investing heavily in Africa right now. The Chinese couldn't care less about Africans (and vice versa), but they're investing because it means money and power.

Oil will continue to flow into the West. The West is fighting a couple of wars right now to ensure that. And when those sources run out there are alternative untapped oil sites closer to home.


And if you think that the way they are treated in this country has no bearing on the economics of things you are sorrily mistaken. All it means is that instead of taking a submissive position, Asia will move forward in a dominant position, because they know North American sentiments about them all too well.
I don't even know where to begin with this. What you've written has no bearing on macro economics. A submissive position? That's not what nations do, when they have the ability to do more. Nations always want to gain power and they always want to be #1. Regardless of how North America treats Asia, Asia will want to be #1. That's the nature of things.
 

GotGusto

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You never said otherwise, so your (hint: not always ones with snow) means what? What are you hinting at?
The fact that some parts of Asia and India have snow, doesn't mean that vast sections of each do not. For example, most of India does not (and according to wiki they are the largest minority population in Canada, not Chinese). And as I recall, we were talking about visible minorities, not just Asians and Indians.

I didn't selectively ignore your comment. I addressed by saying this wasn't about affirmative action, read my post. It's not about ratios or a numbers game, I'm just saying that it seems odd to me that I haven't seen VANOC (or CTV) have ethnic minority representation on TV (I'm not talking about grunt volunteers or some low-level staffer). Now I admit I don't watch the Olypics 27/7 so I may be wrong but I'm saying its weird.
So you're referring to the broadcasters and interviewers, not the athletes, or all the above?

Also, iif you're going to use another poster's claims as evidence, I have great swampland in New Orleans for you to invest in. Trust me.
I cited winstar's stats because I'm familiar enough with Canada's demographics to know that his stats aren't far off. OK, Canada is 84% white rather than 90%. See? 6% difference.
 

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This doesn't seem to be the case at the moment now does it?
It absolutely is the case at the moment.

Talk to the Chinese man who is getting sent to the death penalty by the State for the crime of peddling porn, or the mother that has to kill her female child because only male children are allowed. Or the hundreds of millions of Chinese that can't even imagine changing their station in life because communism doesn't permit it.

A nation can be monetarily rich yet tremendously poor socially and politically. Communism is a brutal, backward system. It saddens and frightens me that this is debatable in 2010.

Ask me if I'd prefer to live in communist China or the democratic West. I bet I can guess your answer too.
 

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Where they have the option of trading with one country over another, and whether or not they are treated respectfully or not.
So answer the question I asked: What other country is it you think is less racist? Answer is that the Chinese will correctly identify Canada and the United States as being among the most open and accepting countries that exist anywhere.

Some of Toronto's top investors, both Chinese and White have told me this, and I'm not talking about some kid with a $50000 RRSP. But whatever, don't believe me. that's fine.
I do not believe you.

China makes all the goods that Americans consume. The US cannot offer something else comparable in return.
You are wrong. US exports to China have grown strongly over the past few years. Apparently the Chinese do want American goods and services.

This arrangement will make North America progressively weaker and Asian markets stronger.
This is also false. China and the United States will BOTH grow. China is going to grow faster because China grows by taking people who are desperately poor and turning them into lower middle class people. That does not mean, however, that American markets are going to weaken--they will in fact strengthen, just not at the same rate as Chinese markets.

If you think America's standard of living will continue to be good, you have no connection with what is happening all throughout America right now.
You are over-estimating what is happening throughout America right now. What is happening is similar to what happened to Japan in the 1980's. That led to ten or fifteen years of low or no growth in the economy there, and I believe that is what is going to happen in the United States. Do note, though, that the Japanese still enjoy one of the worlds highest standards of living.

People are broke. China is positioning itself to be the big boss and already has done so, only most of North America is largely unaware of this, because the US media isn't reporting it.
LOL. Now I just think you're a troll. You don't have any basis for that claim. China's economy is still smaller than the United States. That will change in the next twenty years, but it hasn't changed yet.

Even when it does it will be twenty years after that, at least, before China reaches military parity with the United States, and even then, that will simply make them equals.

Immigrants are discriminated against not because of their racial backgrounds, but because of their accents?
Correct. The proof of this is that the immigrants who are better at learning languages and wind up fluent with no debilitating accents get better jobs and live as well as anyone else in Canada. Yes, I hear some Chinese people and other immigrants who say that Canadians are racist and unfair to them, but in every case the person speaking was hard to understand because their English wasn't very good. I never hear this from the immigrants who are more savvy in learning languages and adapting to new cultures.

I notice the savvy language learners tend to have friends who are not Chinese as well, while the ones still stumbling over basic English words have only Chinese friends...
 

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Ask me if I'd prefer to live in communist China or the democratic West. I bet I can guess your answer too.
China isn't communist. It is run by the "communist" party, but they aren't really communist anymore. They are authoritarian capitalists, and have been ever since the 1978 coup.

I mean, in China everything costs money. Want to send your kid to school? Pay up. Need to see a doctor? Let me see your cash. Everything in China these days revolves around the almighty Yuan.
 

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winstar

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Why did your parents immigrate to Canada?

If you're so disgruntled with Canada I'm sure you can immigrate to China. Try free speech there. You enjoy Canadian rights yet are critical of the countries majority.

I would say you're running around with one large chip on your shoulder and my friend you are a racist. You put down the white population.

And to be repetitive learn something about economics. Canada is one of the safest investments in the world. China needs North America. Without us they will cease to exist.

Re read this thread and ask yourself one question. Is everyone on here wrong about their opposite opinions to you or are you smarter than they are?

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winstar

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So answer the question I asked: What other country is it you think is less racist? Answer is that the Chinese will correctly identify Canada and the United States as being among the most open and accepting countries that exist anywhere.



I do not believe you.



You are wrong. US exports to China have grown strongly over the past few years. Apparently the Chinese do want American goods and services.



This is also false. China and the United States will BOTH grow. China is going to grow faster because China grows by taking people who are desperately poor and turning them into lower middle class people. That does not mean, however, that American markets are going to weaken--they will in fact strengthen, just not at the same rate as Chinese markets.



You are over-estimating what is happening throughout America right now. What is happening is similar to what happened to Japan in the 1980's. That led to ten or fifteen years of low or no growth in the economy there, and I believe that is what is going to happen in the United States. Do note, though, that the Japanese still enjoy one of the worlds highest standards of living.



LOL. Now I just think you're a troll. You don't have any basis for that claim. China's economy is still smaller than the United States. That will change in the next twenty years, but it hasn't changed yet.

Even when it does it will be twenty years after that, at least, before China reaches military parity with the United States, and even then, that will simply make them equals.



Correct. The proof of this is that the immigrants who are better at learning languages and wind up fluent with no debilitating accents get better jobs and live as well as anyone else in Canada. Yes, I hear some Chinese people and other immigrants who say that Canadians are racist and unfair to them, but in every case the person speaking was hard to understand because their English wasn't very good. I never hear this from the immigrants who are more savvy in learning languages and adapting to new cultures.

I notice the savvy language learners tend to have friends who are not Chinese as well, while the ones still stumbling over basic English words have only Chinese friends...
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
 

winstar

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Why did your parents immigrate to Canada?

If you're so disgruntled with Canada I'm sure you can immigrate to China. Try free speech there. You enjoy Canadian rights yet are critical of the countries majority.

I would say you're running around with one large chip on your shoulder and my friend you are a racist. You put down the white population.

And to be repetitive learn something about economics. Canada is one of the safest investments in the world. China needs North America. Without us they will cease to exist.

Re read this thread and ask yourself one question. Is everyone on here wrong about their opposite opinions to you or are you smarter than they are?

...:)
No, I can be critical of my own country if I see a problem. Why would I move to China? I put down the white population because there are major problems with their behavior with respect to people of color. I don't know where you learned economics, but China does not need North America. The fact that you would suggest this is evidence to me how little you know about the reality of the situation at hand.

Let me say this: China has markets in South America, Africa, Europe, Australia, and Asia. If North America were to collapse, China would do just fine.

You can have an opinion that is opposite to mine. But so far few have been informed or worthwhile.
 

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No, I can be critical of my own country if I see a problem. 2)Why would I move to China? I put down the white population because there are major problems with their behavior with respect to people of color. I don't know where you learned economics, but 2) China does not need North America. The fact that you would suggest this is evidence to me how little you know about the reality of the situation at hand.

Let me say this: China has markets in South America, Africa, Europe, Australia, and Asia. If North America were to collapse, China would do just fine.

You can have an opinion that is opposite to mine. 3)But so far few have been informed or worthwhile.
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1) You seem to be so in love with China I thought you might like to live there and, of course, your negative attitude toward fellow Canadians.

2) North America represents approximately 50% of Chinas exports. You bet they need us to continue to grow and expand.

3) Only to the narrow minded. I'll repeat. You have a chip on your shoulder. I'd loose it before it comes back to haunt you in the real world.

Your point of view is by far still in the minority.

But carry on.


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I put down the white population because there are major problems with their behavior with respect to people of color.
People of colour are, in my experience, far more racist towards one another than white people are. If you want to see people who are blatantly and proudly racist bring a black friend to a Chinese event.

I don't know where you learned economics, but China does not need North America.
What exactly do you mean by "need", if trade between China and North America ended there would be a long depression in China. The alternate markets you discussed are not large enough to pick up the slack if the China/NA trading ended. Moreover, it is not just that China sells things abroad, much of what is manufactured in China is manufactured on behalf of American companies, and in addition to that, imported American goods and services are critical to many sectors of the Chinese economy--not to mention Chinese people like to buy them.

Many of the goods imported into China are absolutely critical to the proper functioning of the state and the economy there, and the Chinese do not have the sophistication to replace them. The so called "Great Firewall of China" for example is an American product. The Chinese don't have the skill to build that on their own, they imported both the hardware and the know-how from America. That fancy bullet train in Shanghai was imported from Germany. The Chinese commercial airlines all fly American and European built planes. And so on.

BTW, isn't KFC the most popular restaurant in China these days?

However maybe you think those things are all "wants" rather than "needs", and you're right: The Chinese could continue feeding themselves without trading with white people, although it might be a challenge, it could be done.
 
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