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Rocco Rossi - "If I'm elected I will Kill Transit City and eliminate Bike Lanes"

james t kirk

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Rocco Rossi - "If I'm elected I will Kill Transit City and eliminate Bike Lanes"

Mayoral candidate would also scrap bicycle lanes on major roads

Rocco Rossi said Thursday 'common sense and safety tell me bike lanes and arterial roads don't mix.' (Ontario Heart & Stroke Foundation) Rocco Rossi says that if he is elected mayor of Toronto this fall, he will review the light rail component of the city's ambitious Transit City plan.

Speaking to reporters after addressing Toronto's Empire Club on Thursday, the former national Liberal Party director said all light rail projects should be put on hold until he can review their budgets.

Transit City, a plan that has current Mayor David Miller's enthusiastic backing, relies heavily on expanding and adding 120 kilometres of new light rail lines as a means of upgrading the public transit service.

Rossi said only the 14-kilometre Sheppard Avenue East light rail line should proceed, as the city has already broken ground.

"But I think everywhere else we've got options," including a planned light rail line on Eglinton Avenue.

Rossi said he doesn't want a repeat of the "fiasco" that was the construction of a dedicated streetcar line on St. Clair Avenue West.

Work that began on the line in the fall of 2005 was plagued by ballooning costs, delays and protests from community groups and businesses, who complained construction was robbing the neighbourhood of its character.

Fixing city's finances the '1st priority'
Before speaking to reporters, Rossi outlined elements of his platform in his address to the Empire Club. While he did not specifically criticize Miller, he made it clear he did not agree with how the city has been run in recent years.

Getting the city's finances back in order would be his "first priority." Rossi railed against the city's five-cent tax on plastic bags, saying it is a symbol of how council is "completely out of touch with fiscal responsibility."

He lamented that the summer's garbage strike was an example of how the city was beholden to unions. He said he favours opening up city services such as garbage collection to outsourcing and competitive bidding.

"I've certainly talked to enough lawyers who suggest that there is room to introduce much more managed competition," he told reporters after his speech. "The unions will be welcome to bid on the work and they should have an advantage."

As mayor, Rossi would also ensure bicycle lanes would no longer appear on main roads "because common sense and safety tell me that bike lanes and arterial roads do not mix."

He instead favours adding bike lanes on side streets parallel to arterial roads, telling reporters a council-approved plan to add bike lanes on Jarvis Street "has to be stopped."

In his speech, Rossi also pledged to:

Sell Toronto Hydro and other assets "the city can do without" in order to pay down the city's debt, which currently stands at $2.4 billion.
Replace the councillors that sit on the TTC board with individuals from the private sector.
Funnel money the city collects from developers applying for zoning exemptions to a fund aimed at improving the city's poorer neighbourhoods.

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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/01/21/rossi-transit-city761.html#socialcomments
 

james t kirk

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Thanks for the Crazy Honesty Rocco.

You just lost my vote no matter what. (You dumb fuck.)

Building an LRT in Toronto was the only thing that David Miller's regime ever came up with in 7 years that made any sense.

What next Rocco - Dusting off the plans for the Spadina Expressway?
 

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tboy

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Actually James, he didn't say he'd scrap them, he said he wanted to review the budget which considering the city is broke, is a good thing I'd say.

Do we really want to go into debt by billions of dollars and be so broke we can't fix roads or have rec centres for kids? I certainly don't want another sheppard subway.....
 

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Jarvis street is it really worth 10 million to put bike lanes in kill the thing now crazy idea
 

james t kirk

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Actually James, he didn't say he'd scrap them, he said he wanted to review the budget which considering the city is broke, is a good thing I'd say.

Do we really want to go into debt by billions of dollars and be so broke we can't fix roads or have rec centres for kids? I certainly don't want another sheppard subway.....
I'm all for balancing the budget.

But they can balance the budget in other ways - Like reducing the number of staff and the immense buraucracy which David Miller built up. But that would really take balls. Cancelling something we don't even have - well, that's the easy way out now isn't it.

We can't keep closing out eyes to the traffic chaos in this city and hope it goes away. 30 years of doing nothing has finally caught up with us.

This city needs another Nathan Phillips.
 

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amazing how when somebody says " Hey lets use some common sense" , he

A) Immediatly loses votes
B) Gets labeled a NEOCON
C) Has scoen thrown on his campaign team.

All the article actually said was he wanted to review transit city given that the program has not even been totally costed out ( if that phrase has any actual meaning where the TTC is concerned) and that the Sheppard ave section would go ahead. He even pointed out that there was no budget for the operation of the new lines which has to be found somewhere.

He said that bike lanes on Jarvis street might just be a poor idea given the traffic volume and lack of additional routes into the city, the fact that Sherbourne ( 1 block east) has a bike lane that is under used and Church St 1 block west is a traffic nightmare and a bike lane there would actually make more sense and improve traffic flow, were subjects that he said needed discussion.

He is also of the opinion that the city needs to get its financial house in order oh horror of horrors the man is a menace and should be locked up for his own safety.

Thank Christ I live North Of Steels
 

james t kirk

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"I've certainly talked to enough lawyers who suggest that there is room to introduce much more managed competition,"

This quote makes me laugh the most.

Sorry to the lawyers out there in Terbland.
 

james t kirk

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amazing how when somebody says " Hey lets use some common sense" , he

A) Immediatly loses votes
B) Gets labeled a NEOCON
C) Has scoen thrown on his campaign team.

All the article actually said was he wanted to review transit city given that the program has not even been totally costed out ( if that phrase has any actual meaning where the TTC is concerned) and that the Sheppard ave section would go ahead. He even pointed out that there was no budget for the operation of the new lines which has to be found somewhere.

He said that bike lanes on Jarvis street might just be a poor idea given the traffic volume and lack of additional routes into the city, the fact that Sherbourne ( 1 block east) has a bike lane that is under used and Church St 1 block west is a traffic nightmare and a bike lane there would actually make more sense and improve traffic flow, were subjects that he said needed discussion.

He is also of the opinion that the city needs to get its financial house in order oh horror of horrors the man is a menace and should be locked up for his own safety.

Thank Christ I live North Of Steels
Well, I live south of Steeles, well south. What works in the burbs does not work in the inner city. Burbs like Missisauga have been relying on Development Fees for decades to balance the budget and that is coming to an end. Space is running out because you've built horizontally and designed around the automobile. Per capita costs of infrastructure are huge in the burbs and I know in Mississauga in the last couple of years they have had to raise property taxes rather significantly in order to meet their budget. The burbs are building a very expensive way of life. Some would argue an unsustainable way of life centred around the automobile. (But that's food for another thread.)

If you don't know that the words "review" in politico-speak mean "kill" then let me be the first to enlighten you. Rossi has basically tipped his hand. He'll review it all right. For about 2 seonds.
 

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He should look at the success of conservative mayor Michael Bloomberg in NYC, he's pouring in bikelanes like crazy and it works.
Conservatives should love bicycles, they cost less in infrastructure, they're cheaper to maintain, they'll lower health costs and make roads safer for people. Get rid of the outdated notion that bikes are only for hippies or crazy couriers, all types of voters ride.
 

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But they can balance the budget in other ways - Like reducing the number of staff and the immense buraucracy which David Miller built up. But that would really take balls. Cancelling something we don't even have - well, that's the easy way out now isn't it.
We can't keep closing out eyes to the traffic chaos in this city and hope it goes away. 30 years of doing nothing has finally caught up with us.
Well that’s a good start but it would take some time to enact. Unless you feel that paying out large union severances would be worth not saving any money. The only way would be to slowly start to phase out jobs, so that it’s cost effective.

Funny how no one is mentioning the fact that he is all for privatizing things like Garbage and other municipal maintenance services.

He never said he’d cancel anything. Quite the opposite, he’d said that he like to slow down the rush to enact the other Transit City projects until we can be assured that they’d be financially possible. I mean we are still dealing with the St Clair fiasco where TTC mismanagement has had the project almost double in costs for no good reasons.

As for traffic chaos, you’re telling me that by replacing traffic lanes with 5 years of construction has benefited anyone?

Let’s stop being so damn reactionary and take a look at what he’s saying first.
 

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Well, I live south of Steeles, well south. What works in the burbs does not work in the inner city. Burbs like Missisauga have been relying on Development Fees for decades to balance the budget and that is coming to an end. Space is running out because you've built horizontally and designed around the automobile. Per capita costs of infrastructure are huge in the burbs and I know in Mississauga in the last couple of years they have had to raise property taxes rather significantly in order to meet their budget. The burbs are building a very expensive way of life. Some would argue an unsustainable way of life centred around the automobile. (But that's food for another thread.)

If you don't know that the words "review" in politico-speak mean "kill" then let me be the first to enlighten you. Rossi has basically tipped his hand. He'll review it all right. For about 2 seonds.
Have you met with the man to discuss his plans or are you just putting your words in his mouth?

Transit city needs review its an interesting ambitious program but its unfunded.

As far as using development fees to live on , I can only point out the difference in taxes between Toronto and all teh surrounding areas. Taxes are at least 50% lower in Toronto, the city has an unfunded liability that teh council sees as a persoanl hobby horse bank account. The roads are in terrible shape and the budgeting process always starts with " Well it looks like a double digit tax increase but we will see what we can do".

The city has been living beyond its means for decades. It needs a really good slap in the reality hard.

As far a bicycles vs cars no argument bicycle lanes are a good plan , but and its a BIG BUT taking out an arterial lane so that the anti car forces can claim a victory is amoung other things stupid. There is a bike lane on Sherbourne that gets used less than 100 times per day. Church is an automobile nightmare because of the stores put a bike lane there it will not have any apprecialbe effect on traffic and if you run it from the splanade to casa loma you now have a real usable bike path. Not an excuse to block traffic
 

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Most people who want bike lanes gone or put on side streets don't ride. Try it, put done the SUV and go for a ride in TO then you might change your tune. I want streets in my city not a highway and if it takes traffic an extra 10 or 15 mins to get some where so what.
 

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As far a bicycles vs cars no argument bicycle lanes are a good plan , but and its a BIG BUT taking out an arterial lane so that the anti car forces can claim a victory is amoung other things stupid. There is a bike lane on Sherbourne that gets used less than 100 times per day. Church is an automobile nightmare because of the stores put a bike lane there it will not have any apprecialbe effect on traffic and if you run it from the splanade to casa loma you now have a real usable bike path. Not an excuse to block traffic
Okay, give us Church St. as well.
The 5th lane on Jarvis was coming out anyway to widen sidewalks and put in trees.

A bikelane wasn't part of the plan initially, but we fought for them.
 

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Well, I live south of Steeles, well south. What works in the burbs does not work in the inner city. Burbs like Missisauga have been relying on Development Fees for decades to balance the budget and that is coming to an end. Space is running out because you've built horizontally and designed around the automobile. Per capita costs of infrastructure are huge in the burbs and I know in Mississauga in the last couple of years they have had to raise property taxes rather significantly in order to meet their budget. The burbs are building a very expensive way of life. Some would argue an unsustainable way of life centred around the automobile. (But that's food for another thread.)

If you don't know that the words "review" in politico-speak mean "kill" then let me be the first to enlighten you. Rossi has basically tipped his hand. He'll review it all right. For about 2 seonds.
James!
Why are you even bothering. Many on this board don't care...let alone comprehend sustainability!
Show 'em a porn video...fucking on a bus! That'll get their attention.

http://www.youporn.com/watch/159683/public-bus-fucking/
 
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