over the counter? or bulk sales? If you're selling them bulk, wet, and shipping them, I am 99.9% sure you're breaking the law due to the health and fire hazards a filled battery poses.....
Mechanic Rip Off.
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And if you were in the parts business you would know that you dont' ship, or store, batteries with acid (or anything) in them. Unless of course it is a sealed gel cell type battery. So, while a new battery can get pretty fricken cold, there should be nothing to freeze in them.....
Now if you're talking over the counter sales, then if the batteries you were selling froze, then YOU weren't putting the correct acid concentration in them and weren't ensuring they were properly charged before giving them to the customer. You see, I've sold thousands of batteries too and know the drill. If I sent a battery out dead? I'd have been fired or at the very least, docked pay. You see, every battery we sold had to be filled, and checked with a load tester/charger before giving it out to the mechanic or customer. If it didn't past the specific gravity test and the load test, we got another off the shelf and filled it.
Rub et al can check on this but I believe it is illegal to ship an automotive battery with acid in it.
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Over the counter and delivery to service garages
I think the rules have changed. It used to be when you bought a battery, you would have to wait while the store wouldover the counter? or bulk sales? If you're selling them bulk, wet, and shipping them, I am 99.9% sure you're breaking the law due to the health and fire hazards a filled battery poses.....
fill it with electrolyte. The last (5?) years, whenever I have bought a battery, they are taken right from the shelf. (and I
bought a couple from a distributer in Hamilton, out of the warehouse.)
Well, I bet they were filled that day or within a couple of days. We'd do that too with really popular batteries during busy times (ie: dead of winter). We'd only keep a couple or three of the most popular types filled. Now I am going from memory, but I think it was because batteries only have a specific life once filled and if you activate them too soon, it affects the warranty. Since batteries are pro-rated it could end up costing the company money.I think the rules have changed. It used to be when you bought a battery, you would have to wait while the store would
fill it with electrolyte. The last (5?) years, whenever I have bought a battery, they are taken right from the shelf. (and I
bought a couple from a distributer in Hamilton, out of the warehouse.)
As for Biff: local delivery is a LOT different than cross country/province tractor trailer loads. One battery in the back of a van isn't going to do much, 10,000 batteries in the back of a tractor trailer could destroy an entire roadway if it spilled or wrecked.Can you imagine the fire/heat that would result of 10,000 batteries shorting out all at once? I could see it melting through a bridge NO problem.....
I've hauled a few loads up from the Exide plant in Bristol,TN that were filled. As long as the corrosive placards were on all four sides of the trailer, everything was good.over the counter? or bulk sales? If you're selling them bulk, wet, and shipping them, I am 99.9% sure you're breaking the law due to the health and fire hazards a filled battery poses.....
and your load was classified as a Class 8 Corrosive hazardous materials load? and or the batteries were labelling spill proof? (as in sealed).I've hauled a few loads up from the Exide plant in Bristol,TN that were filled. As long as the corrosive placards were on all four sides of the trailer, everything was good.
Just out of curiosity, how did you know they were filled? Was that info listed on the mainifest? cuz I've yet to see one that says "filled lead acid batteries". All I've ever seen just said "lead acid battery" and the model/part number....
Even on the commerical invoice I believe it just has a listing for lead acid batteries, not whether they are filled or not.
Correct on the first question.and your load was classified as a Class 8 Corrosive hazardous materials load? and or the batteries were labelling spill proof? (as in sealed).
sealed units. Gel cells are spill proof too. Hence why they are great for boats and trophy trucks etc because they are rarely level.I've never heard of a spillproof battery.
BTW: maintenance free batteries aren't sealed. The tops do come off for maintenance (kind of defeats the purpose but anyways lol)
As for Exide: i've unloaded/ received a lot of trailers from Exide and never had one filled.....
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TBOY, you are so far out to lunch, you're pathetic. Get your facts sorted out before you spew here.....
point out one thing I was wrong about in this thread? (and don't bother with the few degrees difference in freezing point of Sulfuric acid....)"Things tboy is wrong about" thread needs some serious updates.
sniff sniff, did someone fart in here?TBOY, you are so far out to lunch, you're pathetic. Get your facts sorted out before you spew here.....
From the Alberta Ministry of Transportation, http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/Content/docType272/Production/batteries.pdf, it states how you can transport legally a filled storage battery, which is classed as Class 8, UN2794 and Packing Group III. I would guess that anywhere else in Canada, the regulations woudl be very similar.over the counter? or bulk sales? If you're selling them bulk, wet, and shipping them, I am 99.9% sure you're breaking the law due to the health and fire hazards a filled battery poses.....
From FedEX, http://fedex.com/us/packaging/guides/BatteryShipments_fxcom.pdf
Also, http://www.batterybroker.on.ca/Files/ShippingGuide.pdf
Federally, examples in Canada of legal certification, http://www.tc.gc.ca/tdg/permits/htm/7655-eng.htm and http://www.tc.gc.ca/tdg/permits/htm/10110-eng.htm
As an example of non-spillable battery transportation from Schedule 3, Section 29, Subsection 2 of TDG;
(2) A person whohandles, offers for transport or transports BATTERIES, WET, NON-SPILLABLE, UN2800, that are not intended for disposal is not required to comply with these Regulations if,
(a) at a temperature of 55°C, electrolyte will not flow from a ruptured or cracked battery case and there is no free liquid to flow; and
(b) when the battery is prepared for transport, the battery's terminals are protected from short circuits.
I have not yet found a reference for unsealed battery shipment in the Federal Act, because I don't have the time to do so. However, from what I have cited, it is highly probable that there are provisions to legally and safely ship these batteries in Canada.
So, please tell me where is states that it is illegal to ship filled storage batteries in Canada.
As per that link (just a note to indicate that those are the rules and regs indicated for "Members of the Canadian Association of Geophysical Contractors" unless you are part of that association, I can't say for sure if those rules and regs apply to EVEYONE.
But a couple of things to point out:
The highly specific packing and containment criteria that must be met. If those criteria are NOT met, then yes, I am correct, it is illegal to transport wet lead acid batteries. TYVM for posting that link. Every shipment I ever received was NOT packed in those container(s) and that is probably why I was told by the OEM that it was illegal to ship wet batteries. The shipments I received were all simply palletized cardboard packaged dry lead acid batteries.
Now you could argue that I was WRONG about the legalities surrounding the shipment of wet lead acid batteries but I would put forth this caveat: I didn't say it was 100% illegal and with the criteria spec'd not just anyone can load up a trailer and be on their way. I don't know enough about shipping hazardous products but I bet unless a carrier is certified to carry hazardous goods, it would be illegal for them to do so.
And just reading through that link again, I would also say it is illegal to carry wet lead acid batteries without a permit. Just like it is illegal to transport radioactive or human tissue waste without a permit.
So yes, I wasn't exactly right, but I wasn't totally wrong either....
So, try again cowboy.....
But a couple of things to point out:
The highly specific packing and containment criteria that must be met. If those criteria are NOT met, then yes, I am correct, it is illegal to transport wet lead acid batteries. TYVM for posting that link. Every shipment I ever received was NOT packed in those container(s) and that is probably why I was told by the OEM that it was illegal to ship wet batteries. The shipments I received were all simply palletized cardboard packaged dry lead acid batteries.
Now you could argue that I was WRONG about the legalities surrounding the shipment of wet lead acid batteries but I would put forth this caveat: I didn't say it was 100% illegal and with the criteria spec'd not just anyone can load up a trailer and be on their way. I don't know enough about shipping hazardous products but I bet unless a carrier is certified to carry hazardous goods, it would be illegal for them to do so.
And just reading through that link again, I would also say it is illegal to carry wet lead acid batteries without a permit. Just like it is illegal to transport radioactive or human tissue waste without a permit.
So yes, I wasn't exactly right, but I wasn't totally wrong either....
So, try again cowboy.....
So... the OP said there was a warranty in place, or something like that. Why was the car not repaired and paid for with by the warranty? Was this a used car recently bought from a dealership?
HEY don't be trying to get this thread back onto the original topic lol what's wrong wit' chu? lol.......(just kidding and I was wondering about that myself)So... the OP said there was a warranty in place, or something like that. Why was the car not repaired and paid for with by the warranty? Was this a used car recently bought from a dealership?
Car up date , M/B = Mercedes Benz , Tboy , you coming from a family of mechanics and someone who seems to be a instant authority on everything I thought you would pick up on that , but any way , I get , you get a 3 month or 5 k warranty on cars repairs ,its the law , the mechanic says on initial estimate , it is the timing chain ,he told me the problem , he told me the price to fix it, the problem here is ,not the symbol missing , not battery that froze , the fact that my car is not fixed , he quoted me that price to fix my car ,I did not tell him what to do, he told me what the problem was,anyone can put parts on a car and hope that fixes it, took care a certified M/B tech , that is a Mercedes Benz tech , sorry for short form , he seems to think it bearing on harmonic balance , so that's the update , and Tboy does Partsource accept Canadian Tire money I have a bunch ,hope you have the time to count it all .
Oh, RickC, you did a terminal sin. A M/B must only be taken to a M/BCar up date , M/B = Mercedes Benz , Tboy , you coming from a family of mechanics and someone who seems to be a instant authority on everything I thought you would pick up on that , but any way , I get , you get a 3 month or 5 k warranty on cars repairs ,its the law , the mechanic says on initial estimate , it is the timing chain ,he told me the problem , he told me the price to fix it, the problem here is ,not the symbol missing , not battery that froze , the fact that my car is not fixed , he quoted me that price to fix my car ,I did not tell him what to do, he told me what the problem was,anyone can put parts on a car and hope that fixes it, took care a certified M/B tech , that is a Mercedes Benz tech , sorry for short form , he seems to think it bearing on harmonic balance , so that's the update , and Tboy does Partsource accept Canadian Tire money I have a bunch ,hope you have the time to count it all .
dealership for oil changes and repairs. It need german mechanics in
white lab coats to attend to it. I know, I have two M/B's. LOL.
Last time I took one of them in for an oil change, I made the mistake of asking for
a "service B", which is really an oil change. Cost = $460.
