Bret "The Hitman" Hart
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I heard that he's been going back and forth for while about coming back. Rumours are that he's going to be used against TNA for the January 4th live show as the guest host for RAW.
He's also shown interest in wanting to help out the Hart Dynasty a bit. I figure he'll host RAW then move over to Smackdown to help out the family. Either way, I'm glad to see him back. Hopefully, it helps fill the void I think he feels from not leaving the way he wanted.
H. Hogan is appearing on TNA January 4th so the WWE is just uping the ante with Bret H. on RAW on the same night.
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He's probably getting paid verrrrrry well.......look at the shows the wwe puts on, all over the world....
And many times people feel better when they reconcile, especially when they were close, as were Brett and Vince. I suspect that factored into the equation for both men.
I'll probably get trashed for saying this, but I never had any sympathy for Bret Hart over the whole Montreal screw-job thing.
I actually think Vince was right.
Bret was leaving the organization and it's normally part of the wrestling tradition that the departing wrestler loses the title to the person who's staying. Bret should have agreed to lose to Shawn Michaels, in my view.
I actually think Vince was right.
Bret was leaving the organization and it's normally part of the wrestling tradition that the departing wrestler loses the title to the person who's staying. Bret should have agreed to lose to Shawn Michaels, in my view.
Bret *Did* Agree To Lose ...
So he told Vince the Montreal PPV match could end in what they called a "schmaz", where Michaels' friends run in to interfere, Bret's friends run in to help, all hell breaks loose, and the ref double-disqualifies them. Vince *agreed* that the match would end that way to Bret's face. The next night, on Raw, was supposed to be Bret's last-ever appearance in the WWF before he went over to WCW. Even though it was being held in Ottawa Bret told Vince that on that Raw he would gladly "drop the belt in the middle of the ring to whoever you want any way you want, and you can replay it a million times for all the world to see". That's the best I can remember the quote, but it was very close to that.
In other words, Bret *did* agree to lose the belt, to whomever Vince wanted him to, whatever way Vince wanted him to lose, right in the middle of the ring, conclusively. Just not in Montreal, but rather one day later on Raw. It was Vince who decided that Bret's idea just wasn't good enough, and hatched the scheme to have Bret "lose" in Montreal to Michaels. It's clear he did it simply to humiliate Hart. This is why Vince McMahon has been reviled by Canadian (and many other) wrestling fans ever since then - he proved himself, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to be a complete asshole.
So with all due respect to you, moviefan, Vince wasn't right. He was dead wrong.
I watched "Wrestling With Shadows", the Brett Hart documentary, and that entire scenario was explained in detail. At the time, Hart had written into his contract that he had "reasonable creative control" over his storylines. Since Bret was playing the "Great Canadian Hero" thing at the time, he simply didn't want to lose the belt in Canada - it would just be unseemly. Or at least not at a PPV anyway ...
So he told Vince the Montreal PPV match could end in what they called a "schmaz", where Michaels' friends run in to interfere, Bret's friends run in to help, all hell breaks loose, and the ref double-disqualifies them. Vince *agreed* that the match would end that way to Bret's face. The next night, on Raw, was supposed to be Bret's last-ever appearance in the WWF before he went over to WCW. Even though it was being held in Ottawa Bret told Vince that on that Raw he would gladly "drop the belt in the middle of the ring to whoever you want any way you want, and you can replay it a million times for all the world to see". That's the best I can remember the quote, but it was very close to that.
In other words, Bret *did* agree to lose the belt, to whomever Vince wanted him to, whatever way Vince wanted him to lose, right in the middle of the ring, conclusively. Just not in Montreal, but rather one day later on Raw. It was Vince who decided that Bret's idea just wasn't good enough, and hatched the scheme to have Bret "lose" in Montreal to Michaels. It's clear he did it simply to humiliate Hart. This is why Vince McMahon has been reviled by Canadian (and many other) wrestling fans ever since then - he proved himself, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to be a complete asshole.
So with all due respect to you, moviefan, Vince wasn't right. He was dead wrong.
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He did agree. Brett said he could get pinned.... just asked that it not be in Canada. And Vince agreed and gave his word. (So the movie told me.)
I don't even know why I care about WWE's version of Master Piece Theatre... I just do!
I agree with Vince's decision. Actually it was Hunter to proposed it, so he and Shawn are to blame. But bret did screw bret, he should have jobbed cuz he's leaving. Vince told him many times he wanted him to drop the belt in Montreal, and even told him to do it Detroit at a house show, one day prior to the PPV. However, bret kept declining.
Vince was an asshole for not telling him, but he had no choice as he couldn't take a chance of Eric going on WCW telling the audience that we've signed your current WWE Champion. It would be too humilating for the company.
Vince was an asshole for not telling him, but he had no choice as he couldn't take a chance of Eric going on WCW telling the audience that we've signed your current WWE Champion. It would be too humilating for the company.
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Not much was on last night and a was flipping through a few different channels and saw the commentators were promoting that Vince McMahon was gonna address the rumors regarding Bret Hart's return to the WWE. I was shocked and googled Bret Hart on my Iphone and the news was true. Watched the segment and I will be tuning in next Monday. I would love to see him work with the Hart Dynasty and give them a little rub.
Also noticed that Jericho was protesting to be reinstated, not sure what is going on with this story line, maybe Bret will reinstate Jericho too, as he trained in the Hart dungeon.
Also noticed that Jericho was protesting to be reinstated, not sure what is going on with this story line, maybe Bret will reinstate Jericho too, as he trained in the Hart dungeon.
I'll admit, I saw that documentary years ago. If it's true that Bret was prepared to lose under certain conditions, I had forgotten that part.
Still, I don't sympathize with Bret. If the company he was leaving wanted him to drop the belt in Montreal, what's the big deal? The audiences -- even the kids -- know the matches are fixed and the outcomes predetermined. It wouldn't have mattered.
My recollection of that documentary was that Bret was full of himself. For one thing, this idea he had that he was always a role model shows a somewhat selective memory. Guess he didn't remember hitting his opponents on the head with Jimmy Hart's megaphone during his Hart Foundation days.
Furthermore, it was obvious that part of his issue was he didn't want to lose to Shawn Michaels, who he clearly doesn't like. So what? He should have sucked it up and left on good terms by supporting the promotion that made him a millionaire.
I still say Vince was right (although his tactics were under-handed).
