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How much to pay an SP for a Hawaii vacation?

tboy

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Just approach the customs desk separately. Go to different agents if you can. They won't suspect you are together, due to the differences in age and appearance. Your story is that you're going scuba diving. Tell her to tell the customs agent she's going to a wedding or a family reunion. No biggie.
Only problem with that is whatever she tells them, make sure she has some details like: where the wedding is, who is getting married etc etc. I've gone through enough times to know that they'll ask.

The simplest is that she/you are going to Hawaii on vacation EOS. Keep it simple. Plus they WILL ask where you both are staying because they really don't like it when we're going across with no real address in mind.......
 

HG Hunter

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While we're talking about being careful, remember they know who paid for the plane tickets and they even know how they were paid for.

Here's a true story for you. A couple of years ago a young lady I know went on a beach holiday with her BF. She is a DDG caucasion who tans very nicely and he is a mulatto fitness instructor. Both good looking, fit and in their mid 20s. She was an MPA so they paid for the trip in cash. When they got back to the airport in Canada, while waiting for their luggage, they were asked to "Please come with us". They were investigated up and down and inside out because of their look and the fact they had paid for the trip in cash.
"They" know more than we care to think.
 

poker

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Some guy called Sheik is calling us "frigging cheap fucks" for stating our opinions. Should I PM you about this?

Not sure who your post was directed at but there's no way I'd pay the going rate for companionship on a trip to hawaii. Most SP's are in the position to offer better terms, but may be unwilling because they can get better fare in the city. I don't think it's a question of not being in the position to do so.

Maybe you frigging rich fucks have no concept of the value of money anymore?

Whoever started this post has the right to pay whatever he is willing and I won't attack him for it, so maybe your cheap fucks comment was directed at those who were attacking him and not those who aren't willing to fit the going bill. In which case, well I don't really care...it still sounds like you're calling us all cheap fucks :D
listen.... if you can't afford to take an SP on a Hawian vacation then don't. No shame in that. But don't be a cheap fuck and say I'll pay your room and board if you fuck me senseless for a week. WTF?


Cheers!
 

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Ok, I'll just say Ontario.
Holly shit I never thought “of make a case that she is going to be working in the US, without a permit. No wait, committing a crime in the US... And suddenly she isn't getting on the plane.” This is getting scary.

“and also answers the question of when you pay her.... Bare minimum: when she has cleared Immigration!”

Plan B: Clear YYZ US immigration separately on the outboard?

How about returning to YYZ Canadian custom?

I certainly don’t want to violate any laws, I’m getting cold feet now.
Ah, why do you even have to go through US customs together? You're just two people going to Hawaii for a vacation who happen to be staying in the same hotel. Just split up and go through customs seperately. Don't make this so complicated. As far as commiting a crime - seriously, no one will be soliciting here. You might beg a bit, but that's not soliciting.

Just be cool brother.
 

Chuckt

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Thanks again guys

Thanks again guys, specially to GDLLover, HG Hunter and alexmst. I learned that the important point is $ transaction should always be done in Canada. I just tell them she is a cocktail waitress (ha-ha), and she is dying for a vacation to get away from our winter. Since I look 40 yr old with a full set of hair, and she looks 25, can’t be that bad.

Appreciate all your advice. Merry Xmas.
 

Aardvark154

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Holly shit I never thought “of make a case that she is going to be working in the US, without a permit. No wait, committing a crime in the US... And suddenly she isn't getting on the plane.” This is getting scary.

“and also answers the question of when you pay her.... Bare minimum: when she has cleared Immigration!”

Plan B: Clear YYZ US immigration separately on the outboard?

How about returning to YYZ Canadian custom?

I certainly don’t want to violate any laws, I’m getting cold feet now.
No need to get too cold a pair of feet.

Yes YYZ is likely more convenient for you, but consider flying from BUF to Hawaii, I'm willing to bet that you would have to transfer aircraft even if you fly from YYZ. Plus you will probably save a fair amount of money.

Even if you can afford to take a limo or drive, I'd take the shuttle bus to BUF - who cares if the two of you are sitting on the same bus so long as you don't go through the same immigration line. On the way back share a limo (you met on the plane and are being kind).

As is said the best cover story is the one closest to the truth. In this case you are both going on vacation to Hawaii make sure she knows the name of the hotel and all that jazz - just don't volunteer all that stuff unless asked - normal tourists don't.
 

tboy

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No need to get too cold a pair of feet.

Yes YYZ is likely more convenient for you, but consider flying from BUF to Hawaii, I'm willing to bet that you would have to transfer aircraft even if you fly from YYZ. Plus you will probably save a fair amount of money.

Even if you can afford to take a limo or drive, I'd take the shuttle bus to BUF - who cares if the two of you are sitting on the same bus so long as you don't go through the same immigration line. On the way back share a limo (you met on the plane and are being kind).

As is said the best cover story is the one closest to the truth. In this case you are both going on vacation to Hawaii make sure she knows the name of the hotel and all that jazz - just don't volunteer all that stuff unless asked - normal tourists don't.
Well, volunteering where you are staying doesn't hurt in the least because they WILL ask you anyways.

The only thing about flying out of buffalo is you have the Niagara/Lewiston border to deal with. I always found that adding one more leg than necessary on a journey is a pain.

If immigration suspects for a second that she's "working", you're fucked. She will be denied entry. If LE suspects she's a working girl while you're there? You're fucked. The states take a hard line on escorts who are US citizens, I think they'd throw the BOOK at a foreign one....

As for payment: can you imagine if they pull her aside for a search and find the envelope with a money order from you, paying her $5000.00? I can guarantee you they WILL be interested to find out why you're paying her.....
 

HG Hunter

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Thanks again guys, specially to GDLLover, HG Hunter and alexmst. I learned that the important point is $ transaction should always be done in Canada. I just tell them she is a cocktail waitress (ha-ha), and she is dying for a vacation to get away from our winter. Since I look 40 yr old with a full set of hair, and she looks 25, can’t be that bad.

Appreciate all your advice. Merry Xmas.
Tell them she's your secretary and she earned the trip as a bonus.:p
 

Aardvark154

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Well, volunteering where you are staying doesn't hurt in the least because they WILL ask you anyways.

The only thing about flying out of buffalo is you have the Niagara/Lewiston border to deal with. I always found that adding one more leg than necessary on a journey is a pain.

If immigration suspects for a second that she's "working", you're fucked. She will be denied entry. If LE suspects she's a working girl while you're there? You're fucked. The states take a hard line on escorts who are US citizens, I think they'd throw the BOOK at a foreign one....

As for payment: can you imagine if they pull her aside for a search and find the envelope with a money order from you, paying her $5000.00? I can guarantee you they WILL be interested to find out why you're paying her.....
As Alexmst already mentioned don't pay her while she's in the U.S.

At this time of year I'd cross at Niagara Falls or the Peace Bridge. However if they take the bus - the bus crosses wherever it does and I'm sure they build the wait times into their schedules.

The secretary idea is a good one. As I say normal people typically dont' "spill" they say things like I'm going to visit San Francisco not what hotel they are going to be staying at - however you need to know that sort of thing if asked - what are you going to do I'm really looking forward to the fish or the cable cars or what ever.
 

red

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This is a really stupid idea. You would be putting not only your own life in danger, but her life as well as anyone else you share the road with. It sounds about as smart as drunk driving. Best left as a fantasy in your head.

For the rest I have no comment, do whatever it is you want!
I bet your insurance rates are really low, but you don't seem to have any fun.
 

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I bet your insurance rates are really low, but you have no fun.
With respect to the long boring debate about what is too much to pay, I will add only this:

SP's don't get paid enough to have their lives put in danger like that: If she's giving you a BJ while you drive she is certainly out of her seat belt and when you have an accident she will be ejected from the car, most likely to her death.
 

Chuckt

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With respect to the long boring debate about what is too much to pay, I will add only this:

SP's don't get paid enough to have their lives put in danger like that: If she's giving you a BJ while you drive she is certainly out of her seat belt and when you have an accident she will be ejected from the car, most likely to her death.
Fuji I promise you the vehicle will be parked in some secluded beach before any hanky panky. Personal safety is paramount.

But I may take her surfing. There are sharks in the water there; I saw it with my own eyes. However they too are on vacation; they don’t bite, not unless you provoke them.

Road cycling is another sport I participate. And you talk about the danger, every summer at least one of the riders from our cycling club gets serious injure from crazy drivers. We get hit from behind. Drivers tried to run us off the road, throw stuff at us.

Sorry for digress.
 

stanley007

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Far too manmy gforls out there that would do it for a smaller fee because you are taking them on a nice vacation.

I just did. For 1000 over and above the 4 nights inb vegas. we were both happy.

There is no way anyone shoiuld be paying anyone 1200 a day to take them on vacation... if she tells you its still hard work and shes losing here every day she isnt bvack...tell her to stay. You will find someone to take.

amazing reading some of the stuff in this thread. I have to ask some of you....Nuts? or just really hard up?
 

rhuarc29

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listen.... if you can't afford to take an SP on a Hawian vacation then don't. No shame in that. But don't be a cheap fuck and say I'll pay your room and board if you fuck me senseless for a week. WTF?


Cheers!
Lol, room and board PLUS $500 a day isn't being a cheap fuck. And she wouldn't be a slave to be at your beck and call for the whole week. I think most SP's would be grateful for $3500 and a free week-long trip to Hawaii. And if they don't, they think way too much of themselves! Most people would kill for that opportunity, regardless of what's involved.

If you are willing and able to pay $7000 for a week in the company of even the most stunning lady you have way too much money. Don't criticize people who have less money than you who still want to have a good time.
 

MindJohn

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Thanks again guys, specially to GDLLover, HG Hunter and alexmst. I learned that the important point is $ transaction should always be done in Canada. I just tell them she is a cocktail waitress (ha-ha), and she is dying for a vacation to get away from our winter. Since I look 40 yr old with a full set of hair, and she looks 25, can’t be that bad.

Appreciate all your advice. Merry Xmas.
Well Chuckt, I think your 40yo look and all that hair makes you .224547793 of a meter further from the mythical "border" of 'pedophilia' than the clowns who have been judging you first made you out to be.

Beyond that, some raise very good points about the border crossings. By all means tell them the girl is one of your employees (and have some details rehearsed beforehand). Of course they raise very good points with regard to the funds as well.

I wonder if you could buy a cashier's check once you're over there, after making prior financial arrangements to do so. (she should then definitely mail it home, vs. bringing it through the border) I just don't know if it is fair to her to have her going through the motions for so many days motivated by the notion of a promised large cash payoff once she's back home in Canada.

Finally, so many of those responding are just hearing something which seems so fantasy-filled that they won't give fair consideration to the actual dynamics of your dilemma.



What would you expect to read/hear if you went to the teen area of "MySpace" and polled 19yo 'women' on what price they would accept to go to Hawaii for a week and have sex with a 56yo man every day? Some of those answers would make $1200 a day feel like the allowance you got when you were age 9.




Ultimately this boils down to this young woman needing to TRUST you far more than you would ever need to trust her. In terms of your mere safety, you've got airport security on your side, and can probably guess that she won't arrive in Hawaii with so much as a box cutter. In terms of the risk of her fleeing the scene and the vacation, you've got distance, isolation, and her fear of causing a scene in a "foreign" land on your side.

She on the other hand has to trust you almost entirely, and not only for the big things, but also for your organizational skills and attention to conveniences along with what's important for a woman as well as yourself. She will have to trust you to pay her fee, no matter what it is, in a way that lets her continue to be confident about your sincerity.

She will have to trust you to not hurt her, and all of that while in a setting that is far, far from her area of personal familiarity. (she isn't merely a street walker who, after a struggle with a client during a car date gone awry, just leaps out of the car and runs for her life in an area where she knows every alley and street light)

You are indeed taking her time, and if she wanted a soothing, relaxing, and complete "vacation" in Hawaii she'd be free to schedule one for herself and a girlfriend with the fee you would pay her.

I can appreciate the seeming "barter" between you, where you conveniently borrow her nubile young flesh and relative innocence for a truly enjoyable week, in exchange for something (cash) along the lines of what she might value just as much. So when contemplating the many various ways these guys are telling you to be cheap, add to the equation your own, independent sense of the 'value' she is giving you in exchange. (and "just as much" really is the key)

Of course "what you can afford" is a factor which would cause people to be more fair to the young woman than they are tending to be right now. This is not "them" making this trip, and it might not be the first, random 19yo lass they envision being at their side.

Your two prior meetings with the woman should give you a true sense of what her company would mean to you in Hawaii, and you'll treat her fairly in all ways upon coming to that conclusion.


(this thread still challenges the mind a great deal)
 

lurkerjoe

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In all seriousness, you might want to have a well-rehearsed story for US Immigration. I suspect that it will be entirely obvious, the nature of your "relationship". If they peg that, then they could make a case that she is going to be working in the US, without a permit. No wait, committing a crime in the US... And suddenly she isn't getting on the plane.

Maybe you should find an Asian girl, so at least you could say she is your niece or something...

We always talk about "Plan B" on here... this sounds like an occasion for a serious Plan B, and also answers the question of when you pay her.... Bare minimum: when she has cleared Immigration!
Why does the OP and the SP need to approach the US Customs and Border Protection at the same time? Just make sure that the lady has info on where your staying (like the hotel name and address), what she's doing (vacation!) and head to two different booths.

No story needed so there's no chance of getting caught lying.
 

poker

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Don't criticize people who have less money than you who still want to have a good time.
I'm not... I was having fun with Sheiks post.
 
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