Was the parking cop overstepping his authority?

Hightop

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The fact that he never got a chance to put it on your windshield is irrelevant.
The ticket must touch your windshield or handed to you to be valid. If a person drives away before you are served with it then it is not a valid ticket. They may still try to process it but as it is your word against theirs
 

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He was being a dick! There was NO TRAFFIC whatsoever around...it wasn't rush hour and i wasn't holding up ANY traffic behind me....anyone who isn't a dick, would have realized i would be there for a minute or two and walk away...if i was holding up traffic then yeah, tell me to move...just another example of a "toy cop" overstepping his authority....couldn't pass the fitness test so he gets stuck writing parking tickets
 

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The ticket must touch your windshield or handed to you to be valid. If a person drives away before you are served with it then it is not a valid ticket. They may still try to process it but as it is your word against theirs
No, it doesn't. If, for whatever reason, the ticket does not make it into the hands of the accused, a Notice of Impending Conviction will be mailed out.

This is also mailed out if you choose to ignore the ticket after receiving it.
 

djk

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He was being a dick! There was NO TRAFFIC whatsoever around...it wasn't rush hour and i wasn't holding up ANY traffic behind me....anyone who isn't a dick, would have realized i would be there for a minute or two and walk away...if i was holding up traffic then yeah, tell me to move...just another example of a "toy cop" overstepping his authority....couldn't pass the fitness test so he gets stuck writing parking tickets
A by-law is a by-law is a by-law is a by-law. Change it.

I've had parking enforcement let me off the hook by saying -- "Sorry about that. I'm just waiting for a friend. Is it ok to wait a few minutes or should I go now?"

If he's an asshole and tells me to leave. Then I'm calling my friend (via bluetooth of course!) to tell them to call me back when they're outside while I drive around.

Waiting for them parked is not worth the fine or aggravation.
 

hunter001

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topoon said:
Was the parking cop overstepping his authority?
No. The cop was doing his job. I can see you have a need to be right but clearly you were/are wrong.



The designated no parking areas don't have exception like "If it is not busy, then...". You were just lucky he was a nice guy.
 

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How so? The signs are there to tell people where they can park. If you can't "stop" or "stand" in a no parking zone, then why put a No Parking sign up in the first place...just put a NO Standing sign up in its place... From what I've been told...you are allowed to "stand" and wait for someone in a "No Parking" zone, as long as you don't leave your car..ie PARK...otherwise there should just be NO "No parking" zones, and they should all be "No Stopping, or No Standing Zones"
What topoon said! That is the correct interpretation of the law.

New York and Ontario laws are the same for this one.

"This is the NY state law

"A NO PARKING sign means you may stop only temporarily to load or unload merchandise or passengers.

"A NO STANDING sign means you may stop only temporarily to load or unload passengers.

"A NO STOPPING sign means you may stop only in order to obey a traffic sign, signal or officer, or to avoid conflicts with other vehicles.

So if you were not physically loading something into the car or if some one was not physically getting into the car you were parking. Being stoped even if you are in the car other than to load something or let someone get in the car is parking."
 

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http://www.toronto.ca/transportation/parking/parking_faq.htm said:
What is the difference between parking, standing and stopping regulations?

The rules associated with each parking regulation are listed in order of least to most restrictive:

No Parking: No Parking - motorists are only permitted to load or unload passengers or merchandise.

No Standing: No Standing - motorists are only permitted to receive and discharge passengers. Typically used in the area of TTC bus stops.

No Stopping: No Stopping - motorists are generally not permitted to stop for any reason except to avoid a conflict with other traffic or in compliance with the directions of a constable or other police officer or of a traffic control
From http://www.toronto.ca/transportation/parking/parking_faq.htm
 

Thunderballs

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Man I hate those douchebags that park in a no stopping/standing zone to run into a store or get their morning latte on the run from Starbucks thereby cutting down a lane of traffic.
 

Harley

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Your 4 way flashers acted as a becon for him. Next time, don't use your flashers, and you may not attract him.
 

tboy

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I wasn't beligerent at all, I just told him i wasn't moving because i wasn't breaking any laws...and yes i was argumentative...what's wrong with standing up for your rights? Booted and towed? Do they even have boots in Toronto? And you can't tow a vehicle when someones inside it
not to defend meter maids because they are the scum of the earth but sometimes the signs are really confusing and you were probably in one of those areas. If he couldn't give you a ticket, he couldn't. If he could give you a ticket, you were parked/stopped illegally. EOS.

I know it sucks here in the city but that's the way it is......
 

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Look we all hate the parking cops and gettng tickets. But really Topoon, is this your first time in the big city??

If you see a cop coming up to write u a ticket...LEAVE.
 

thompo69

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No, it doesn't. If, for whatever reason, the ticket does not make it into the hands of the accused, a Notice of Impending Conviction will be mailed out.

This is also mailed out if you choose to ignore the ticket after receiving it.
Parking tickets are handled under Part II of the Provincial Offences Act. Per s.15(4) of the Act, the parking infraction notice must be served on the owner:

(a) by affixing it to the vehicle in a conspicuous place at the time of the alleged infraction; or
(b) by delivering it personally to the person having care and control of the vehicle at the time of the alleged infraction.

Now, if this does not happen it is still possible to proceed under Part III, but this requires laying an information before a Justice of the Peace who may then choose to issue a summons (not a Notice of Impending Conviction) to the defendant. Given the the extra hoops for proceeding in such a way, I would think it extremely unlikely that anything but the most serious of parking tickets would be pursued in such a way.
 

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Parking tickets are handled under Part II of the Provincial Offences Act. Per s.15(4) of the Act, the parking infraction notice must be served on the owner:

(a) by affixing it to the vehicle in a conspicuous place at the time of the alleged infraction; or
(b) by delivering it personally to the person having care and control of the vehicle at the time of the alleged infraction.

Now, if this does not happen it is still possible to proceed under Part III, but this requires laying an information before a Justice of the Peace who may then choose to issue a summons (not a Notice of Impending Conviction) to the defendant. Given the the extra hoops for proceeding in such a way, I would think it extremely unlikely that anything but the most serious of parking tickets would be pursued in such a way.
Thanks for that info. Looks like I'm incorrect.

That being said, I think the province is operating on the ignorance of many as I've had friends issued such notices of conviction and they were never given a ticket.
 

Anynym

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You may be legally in the wrong, but that shouldn't necessarily prevent you from presenting your case before a Justice of the Peace.

You can argue that by being present in the driver's seat, engine running, and ready and willing and able to move for traffic that you were not "parked" according to the intent of the law but rather were "standing".

You might find a sympathetic ear, or you might not.

But I would recommend continuing as you have, treating the law with the respect it is properly accorded in our society. If you win, great. If not, so be it.
 

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He was being a dick! There was NO TRAFFIC whatsoever around...it wasn't rush hour and i wasn't holding up ANY traffic behind me....anyone who isn't a dick, would have realized i would be there for a minute or two and walk away...if i was holding up traffic then yeah, tell me to move...just another example of a "toy cop" overstepping his authority....couldn't pass the fitness test so he gets stuck writing parking tickets
Wow, you really sound like a dick. How ironic.
 

needinit

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You were "parked", if someone was in the process of getting in or out (at that very moment) then you're standing ...like a cabbie dropping off or picking up a passenger...you waiting with flashers on with no one getting in or out while the officer is there is "parking".

http://www.toronto.ca/transportation/parking/parking_faq.htm
I agree - you were parked. I often beep at Taxis that do this - especially if they are rigth in front of me, put the hazards on and stop. If no one immediately gets out or steps forward to get intot he taxi I start beeping away (when they are in a no parking area that is).

I do the same for regular folks that do this as well and once called to a cop that was nearby to get a guy doing what you did to move. The cop told hiom he was parking and to move off which he did!
 

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