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John Henry

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I spoke with a certain person at city hall complaining about some traffic intersections . I timed a few intersections ( big and small ) and found out that you have the same amount of time to go through a big or small intersections . To me that is bull . The person at city hall said that you will only get a ticket from a red light camera if you enter the intersection if the light is red . You will not get a ticket if the light turns red while in the intersection . Don't know how true that is but so far no tickets for me when it does happen .

Yes , I also have seen lights count down to 1 and the amber light doesn't come on right away . Weird . I like those count down lights because I can judge whether or not to slow down depending on those lights except for the weird ones that don't change right away .

Sometimes if it's not a busy intersection you kind a have to enter the intersection a bit to activate the lights . Other wise you could be sitting there for a long time .
 

oldjones

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Never heard of the special sensors for bikes, but I no longer have mine so I'm not up on those things. I sold my bike in the mid 90s. By sticking a rare earth magnet to the frame, you mean with duct tape or double sided adhesive, right? ;)
Uh-huh.

For some reason City Hall decided not to similarly mark intersections with car sensors that activate the traffic signals, but you can usually spot the rectangular outline where they buried the wires and patched with glossier asphalt.

Like you on your bike, I've occasionally driven cars too small, too light, too plastic or too aluminized to readily trip the sensor and had to wiggle a bit to get it to notice my ride and me.
 

GameBoy27

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I spoke with a certain person at city hall complaining about some traffic intersections. I timed a few intersections (big and small) and found out that you have the same amount of time to go through a big or small intersections. To me that is bull. The person at city hall said that you will only get a ticket from a red light camera if you enter the intersection if the light is red. You will not get a ticket if the light turns red while in the intersection. Don't know how true that is but so far no tickets for me when it does happen.
They are correct. You will only get a ticket if you enter the intersection once the light has turned red. It has nothing to do with how long it takes you to get through the intersection.

Sometimes if it's not a busy intersection you kind a have to enter the intersection a bit to activate the lights. Other wise you could be sitting there for a long time.
No, the inductive loop that senses presence of a vehicle is located before the stop line, not beyond in the intersection. If you look closely you can see the where they've installed the rectangular inductive loop in the road.

The one they install in left hand turn lanes to trigger the advanced arrow, is typically set back 2-3 car lengths. If there isn't a car sitting over the loop the advanced arrow won't activate. That's why if I'm the only vehicle in the left hand turn lane, I'll stop back from the intersection over the loop until just before the light changes to activate it. Yes, I'm one of those guys. ;)

P.S. I also fixed your punctuation. It was really bothering me. Was it on purpose or just the device/computer you were using?
 

GameBoy27

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Uh-huh.

For some reason City Hall decided not to similarly mark intersections with car sensors that activate the traffic signals, but you can usually spot the rectangular outline where they buried the wires and patched with glossier asphalt.

Like you on your bike, I've occasionally driven cars too small, too light, too plastic or too aluminized to readily trip the sensor and had to wiggle a bit to get it to notice my ride and me.
Yes, I'm quite familiar with those. They fill them with tar which is why they're glossy...
 

John Henry

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They are correct. You will only get a ticket if you enter the intersection once the light has turned red. It has nothing to do with how long it takes you to get through the intersection .

P.S. I also fixed your punctuation. It was really bothering me. Was it on purpose or just the device/computer you were using?
In other words if you're a few feet in front of the intersection when the light turns amber one has no worries about getting a ticket if you drive through . A ticket is given only if you enter the intersection if the light is RED . That means anyone that gets a ticket deserves to get one because they had plenty of time to stop .

Never have gotten a RED light ticket because I don't enter the intersection if the light is RED . One of the worst places for RED light runners is New York State . I see it all the time . If your up front at an intersection and you have a green light to go , you'd better make sure that it's clear before you enter . So many RED light runners it's unbelievable .

Thanks for fixing my punctuation even though I don't know where I screwed up .
 

basketcase

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Yes , I also have seen lights count down to 1 and the amber light doesn't come on right away . Weird . I like those count down lights because I can judge whether or not to slow down depending on those lights except for the weird ones that don't change right away ...
I believe it has something to do with the light sensing streetcars and giving them time to get through.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I guess you missed this from the article you posted. "According to the city, red-light cameras are effective at reducing serious collisions. Data collected between 2008 and 2014 show injuries at intersections where the devices were installed decreased by 23 per cent, and fatal collisions fell by 40 per cent."

I believe they installed these for safety reasons. It appears they have been successful in reducing collisions, injuries and deaths. Which is a good thing
That may be part of it, but the revenue they collect is also a huge part of it.
Why else would they cut the amber light by .3 seconds??
If they were so concerned about accidents wouldnt they lengthen the amber light by half a second??
Or lengthen the opposing green light by .5 seconds

According to the article they issued 90,000 tickets last year: https://outline.com/DcfxYK
90,000 times $330 = almost 30 million dollars. Thats a lot of cake!
 

TeeJay

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I spoke with a certain person at city hall complaining about some traffic intersections . I timed a few intersections ( big and small ) and found out that you have the same amount of time to go through a big or small intersections . To me that is bull . The person at city hall said that you will only get a ticket from a red light camera if you enter the intersection if the light is red . You will not get a ticket if the light turns red while in the intersection . Don't know how true that is but so far no tickets for me when it does happen .

Yes , I also have seen lights count down to 1 and the amber light doesn't come on right away . Weird . I like those count down lights because I can judge whether or not to slow down depending on those lights except for the weird ones that don't change right away .

Sometimes if it's not a busy intersection you kind a have to enter the intersection a bit to activate the lights . Other wise you could be sitting there for a long time .
The red light ticket contains a picture of your car outside intersection (while light is red) then a second picture of your car inside intersection while light is red
So its obvious when you run light and person at city hall was correct you wont get a ticket for running a yellow (unless a police officer judges your entrance to be unsafe)

The sensors do not require you to enter intersection at all
(to the contrary stopping in an incorrect position can result in sensor not seeing your car at all)
 

basketcase

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That may be part of it, but the revenue they collect is also a huge part of it.
Why else would they cut the amber light by .3 seconds?? ...
If you actually read the articles on it, that section of Richmond had it's speed limit reduced and therefore the safe stopping time was reduced. As far as the articles on it said, it was not a blanket change to the whole city.

And I'd much rather have law breakers pay the bills rather than see property taxes go up.
 

GameBoy27

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If you actually read the articles on it, that section of Richmond had it's speed limit reduced and therefore the safe stopping time was reduced. As far as the articles on it said, it was not a blanket change to the whole city.

And I'd much rather have law breakers pay the bills rather than see property taxes go up.
I agree. Don't want a ticket, stop for red lights. This isn't the same as getting a ticket for travelling a few km/h over the limit, on a clear stretch of highway, on a clear sunny day. You're running a red light, very dangerous!
 

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I applied for several jobs many months ago. Not a single response. My resume is atrociously barren, so it's expected. Maybe I should pad it with lies. Then I get a call today around 3pm from UPS. Everything is going great, the phone guy just wants to ask a few questions before bringing me in for hiring.

Can I work early in the morning? Sure. Can I lift packages of 100lbs? Sure. Am I currently employed or in school? No. Do I have any vacations planned in the next 12 months? No.

We get thru 90% of the questions when he asks if I have any traffic violations in the past year. Yeah, a red light violation. This eliminated my prospects for this job for the near future. I would have been a world renowned UPS driver had it not been for a small mistake in my recent past.

Lesson: don't be a scofflaw. It'll destroy your life.
 

spankey

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I applied for several jobs many months ago. Not a single response. My resume is atrociously barren, so it's expected. Maybe I should pad it with lies. Then I get a call today around 3pm from UPS. Everything is going great, the phone guy just wants to ask a few questions before bringing me in for hiring.

Can I work early in the morning? Sure. Can I lift packages of 100lbs? Sure. Am I currently employed or in school? No. Do I have any vacations planned in the next 12 months? No.

We get thru 90% of the questions when he asks if I have any traffic violations in the past year. Yeah, a red light violation. This eliminated my prospects for this job for the near future. I would have been a world renowned UPS driver had it not been for a small mistake in my recent past.

Lesson: don't be a scofflaw. It'll destroy your life.
I assumed those tickets didn’t stain your driving record, being they couldn’t prove who was driving. If you hadn’t disclosed this to the employer I assume they’d be none the wiser.
 

shack

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That may be part of it, but the revenue they collect is also a huge part of it.
Why else would they cut the amber light by .3 seconds??
If they were so concerned about accidents wouldnt they lengthen the amber light by half a second??
Or lengthen the opposing green light by .5 seconds

According to the article they issued 90,000 tickets last year: https://outline.com/DcfxYK
90,000 times $330 = almost 30 million dollars. Thats a lot of cake!
It's a win/win situation. They make money and discourage unsafe driving. I don't see a problem with that.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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It's a win/win situation. They make money and discourage unsafe driving. I don't see a problem with that
If they are that concerned with reducing accidents, why not extend the green light on opposing traffic by 2 or 3 seconds??
 

shack

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If they are that concerned with reducing accidents, why not extend the green light on opposing traffic by 2 or 3 seconds??
Because whatever the lag is people will abuse it because it would be public knowledge that the lag is longer.

Obviously, the only reason you object is because you enter intersections after the light has turned and you aren't honourable enough to own up to the indiscretion. It pretty well fits your profile.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Because whatever the lag is people will abuse it because it would be public knowledge that the lag is longer
Do you have any studies to back this theory up, or did you just pull it out of your ass??

Obviously, the only reason you object is because you enter intersections after the light has turned and you aren't honourable enough to own up to the indiscretion. It pretty well fits your profile
And what profile would that be, honeybun??
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Just so you guys know, study after study proves that red light cameras do not decrease accidents. If anything you get more rear-end accidents from people stopping quickly because they dont wanna get a ticket.

Have a look:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/subu...-camera-safety-met-20141219-story.html#page=1

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article216364010.html

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/red-light-cameras-may-not-make-streets-safer/

https://phys.org/news/2018-07-red-light-cameras-dont-traffic-accidents.html

https://www.motorists.org/issues/red-light-cameras/increase-accidents/

https://winnipegsun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-red-light-cameras-not-making-streets-safer

And ask yourself, if its not all about money then why would the City raise the tickets from $300 to $330??
What difference is that extra $30 gonna make in terms of "safety"??
 

rhuarc29

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Just so you guys know, study after study proves that red light cameras do not decrease accidents. If anything you get more rear-end accidents from people stopping quickly because they dont wanna get a ticket.

Have a look:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/subu...-camera-safety-met-20141219-story.html#page=1

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article216364010.html

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/red-light-cameras-may-not-make-streets-safer/

https://phys.org/news/2018-07-red-light-cameras-dont-traffic-accidents.html

https://www.motorists.org/issues/red-light-cameras/increase-accidents/

https://winnipegsun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-red-light-cameras-not-making-streets-safer

And ask yourself, if its not all about money then why would the City raise the tickets from $300 to $330??
What difference is that extra $30 gonna make in terms of "safety"??
Well, consider this. If the goal of the fine is deterrence, then fines should gradually go up with inflation, otherwise they lose their effectiveness.
But in the same vein, should they also not be tied to an individual's income? Otherwise, a minor fine is no deterrence at all to someone who makes a lot of money.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Well, consider this. If the goal of the fine is deterrence, then fines should gradually go up with inflation, otherwise they lose their effectiveness.
But in the same vein, should they also not be tied to an individual's income? Otherwise, a minor fine is no deterrence at all to someone who makes a lot of money
They do that in one of the Scandinavian countries (Sweden I think). You get a speeding ticket and you pay a percentage according to your income.
So if you're that Ikea guy you're probably looking at a million dollars for going 20 clicks over....LOL


EDIT: its Finland actually https://www.nydailynews.com/news/wo...ces-130-000-speeding-ticket-article-1.1486072
 
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