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basketcase

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I don't have a hatred for any cultural group or 'race'....
Except you continually claim that Jews have no right to self-determination and keep trying to justify overtly race based violence from some Palestinian factions. You continually ignore sources on the issue that are Jewish while have no issue accepting obviously flawed sources as long as they demonize Israel. You also have been promoting anti-semitic ideas that even the democratic party has disavowed.


But I'm sure you'll put up with the fringe Jews who share your hatred for Jews being in the region.

And I'm still here calling for equal application of the law and equal human rights for all those living under Israeli rule.
Sorry but you can't do that while making excuses for human rights abuses, war crimes, and terrorism from Hamas and you can't claim to be supporting equality while claiming descendants of Palestinians have a right to live in Israel but Jews have no right to live in the West Bank.


But I'm sure you love
 

Frankfooter

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Except you continually claim that Jews have no right to self-determination
Not true.

In fact its you who argues that Israeli basic law, which gives only Jews the right to self-determination is fair and that Israeli Arabs and Palestinians should not have or do not deserve the right to self determination.
Its now the law in Israel.

You are supporting what is apartheid law, different based on race.
Your claims about self-determination only prove it.
 

basketcase

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Not true....
Except you have proven it repeatedly. Of course you aren't even willing to accept your own racism on this, continuing to argue against anything involving Israel while never criticizing the Palestinian leadership, especially Hamas.

In the past few months, Hamas took credit for hundreds of rockets which the rights organizations pretend to believe consider war crimes. Instead of criticizing them for their choices you simply want to blame Israel.

Hamas also took credit for several attacks on bus stops full of civilians which resulted in the death of a child. You don't even want to discuss the issue except to suggest that they were legitimate targets.

Of course you also lie endlessly no matter how many times you have been exposed. 20% of Israel's population prove that your apartheid claims are just pure racist dogma.
 

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Except you have proven it repeatedly.
On the contrary, basketcase.

You have repeatedly stated that only the Jewish population living under Israeli rule deserve the right of self-determination and that you have absolutely no problem with it be decided purely on race.
That's apartheid.

You continue to support and try to blame Palestinians for Israel's snipers killing teens and women protesters while using exploding bullets to cripple those they don't kill.
That's 100x worse than any crime you accuse Hamas of, yet you still claim Hamas is more violent.

Of course you endlessly try to blame Hamas for the 50 year old occupation no matter how many times you've been exposed.
50% of Israel's population prove that your apartheid claims are just pure racist dogma.
 

basketcase

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On the contrary, basketcase.....
Keep making up bullshit. Why is it that you have no issue with both the PA and Hamas demanding a Jew free Palestine while Israel has 20% of their citizens being Arabs?

But whatever excuses you need to make to avoid discussing your Hamas heroes admitting to war crimes and terrorism.
 

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Why is it that you have no issue with both the PA and Hamas demanding a Jew free Palestine while Israel has 20% of their citizens being Arabs?
That's getting close to hate speech, basketcase.

Just support the rule of law for both sides.
Support equal rights.
 

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Frankfooter

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you have no right to complain about hate speech when you constantly quote from Mondoweiss an anti-Semitic hate site


Hamas wants the destruction of Israel it's in their charter


http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
As far as I know, that's the old charter.
The new charter calls for no such thing.
It seems they are turning away from terrorism just as Netanyahu is banding with terrorists.

Get with the times.
 

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As far as I know, that's the old charter.
The new charter calls for no such thing.
It seems they are turning away from terrorism just as Netanyahu is banding with terrorists.

Get with the times.
the new charter use Zionist instead of Jews and the new charter does not Recognize Israel as a state congratulation you just admitted you support and defend Hamas
 

Frankfooter

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the new charter use Zionist instead of Jews and the new charter does not Recognize Israel as a state congratulation you just admitted you support and defend Hamas
Stating that you are wrong is not defending them, its just clarifying that you knowingly made false claims.
After all, you just stated that you knew better yet still made bullshit claims.

Hamas should be investigated and charged for war crimes, as should Israel.
But its worth noting that while Hamas has moved away from terrorism Israel has moved towards terrorism.
I'd be very happy should both Israel and Hamas move away from terrorism, by the way.

You're defending apartheid here, which is worse than anything you accuse Hamas of.
 

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Stating that you are wrong is not defending them, its just clarifying that you knowingly made false claims.
After all, you just stated that you knew better yet still made bullshit claims.

Hamas should be investigated and charged for war crimes, as should Israel.
But its worth noting that while Hamas has moved away from terrorism Israel has moved towards terrorism.
I'd be very happy should both Israel and Hamas move away from terrorism, by the way.

You're defending apartheid here, which is worse than anything you accuse Hamas of.

racially attacked me for not supporting BLM

"Amazing how you support the down trodding of your own people".

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...Lemon-Laughs&p=6238846&viewfull=1#post6238846


racist anti-Semitic hypocrite accuse me of supporting apartheid
 

basketcase

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That's getting close to hate speech, basketcase.....
You're right. Hamas is constantly engaged in hate speech.

As for equal rights, only 22% of Palestinians support the idea (with support shrinking) and both of their leaderships reject the idea of Jews in their possible state. I notice you don't criticize either Palestinian government for outright rejection of your "ideals".

Also significantly, you seem to think your will should override what people on both sides want and both sides support two states much more than your farce. I can't tell if it is arrogance thinking you are smarter than everyone else, whether it is racism in that you think Arabs can't make decisions, or simply good old anti-semitism where you are against anything to do with Jews having rights.
 

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It seems they are turning away from terrorism just as Netanyahu is banding with terrorists.

Get with the times.
Funny that you are willing to call Jews terrorists when they promote ethnic cleansing and have a history well connected with terrorism but you won't criticize Hamas for continuing those same things.
 

Frankfooter

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Funny that you are willing to call Jews terrorists when they promote ethnic cleansing and have a history well connected with terrorism but you won't criticize Hamas for continuing those same things.
Were Hamas proposing ethnic cleansing still, I'd be criticizing them as well.
Right now its just the Israeli government that appears to be interested in ethnic cleansing.


Macron in France wants to make criticism of zionism to be a crime of 'anti-semitism'.
That leads to this:

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I call for a single, democratic state in which Jews, Palestinians and all others have full, equal rights and protections for language, religious practice and culture. According to this Israel lobby group's definition, endorsed by @EUinIsrael, that makes me an anti-Semite.

Your state of Israel now labels those calling for equal rights as 'anti-semites'.
Do you back this as well?
Do you back equal rights or not?
 

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This TorStar article nails Frankfooter to a T :biggrin1:
Notice how he always says he has Jewish Liberal friends. Or when he refers to zionism.

I've marked the relevant stuff in red: https://www.thestar.com/opinion/sta...25/anti-zionism-is-the-new-anti-semitism.html

Anti-Zionism is the new anti-Semitism

Members of anti-Semitic organizations and supporters of atrocities against Jews have often been keen to tell that their doctor, lawyer or accountant is a Jew and that “some of my best friends are Jewish.” The 26 member states of the European Union (EU) seem to be adopting a similar attitude in relation to the State of Israel, which has become the epitome of the Jew to be hated.

Anti-Zionism is the latest euphemism for anti-Semitism, which in Europe may at least in part be due to the relatively recent influx of Muslim immigrants and refugees. This has prompted Muslims, misguided by Iran and others, to support their Palestinian brothers and sisters by harassing, maiming and killing Jews in Paris, Brussels, Malmö and many other cities in Europe. And it has helped to revive Europe’s ignominious and tragic history of Jew-hatred.

Current practitioners of anti-Semitism excuse themselves by falsely separating between the Jewish religion and the Jewish people. They argue that they’ve nothing against Judaism. They’re “only” against those they conveniently call Zionists, i.e., Jews who have built and now maintain the State of Israel, and their supporters abroad.

This has even made anti-Semites deny the Holocaust in Europe, because the murder of six million Jews by the Nazis has become an added argument for the imperative of the Jewish people to return to its ancient homeland and build there a modern state.

In truth, to be a Jew is to be both a member of a people and an adherent of a religion. That’s why those who embrace Judaism also become part of the Jewish people. As the Biblical Ruth put it to her mother-in-law Naomi, “Your people shall be my people, and your God my God” (1:16)
 

Frankfooter

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This TorStar article nails Frankfooter to a T :biggrin1:
Notice how he always says he has Jewish Liberal friends. Or when he refers to zionism.

I've marked the relevant stuff in red: https://www.thestar.com/opinion/sta...25/anti-zionism-is-the-new-anti-semitism.html
As I just posted above, this came from Macron.

Its really a sign of desperation from Israel supporters. Trying to link zionism with anti-Semitism is trying to stifle debate about Israeli state policy. Won't be very successful in the long run.
After all, 1/3 of Canadian Jews now think that BDS is acceptable.
More than a third (37 percent) have a negative opinion of the Israeli government;

● Almost equal proportions oppose (45 percent) and support (42 percent) the US decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel;

● Almost a third (30 percent) think that the Palestinian call for a boycott of Israel is reasonable, and 34 percent also oppose Parliament condemning those who endorse a boycott of Israel; and

● Almost one in three (31 percent) oppose the military blockade of the Gaza Strip.
https://ijvcanada.org/2019/new-ekos-poll-jewish-canadians-sharply-divided-on-israel-palestine/
That's from IJV Canada, who you also branded as anti-Semites.

The views in France where this came from are pretty troubling as well. A recent poll said 52% think zionism is a racist ideology.
https://www.jns.org/poll-52-of-french-public-believe-zionism-is-a-racist-ideology/
That would mean Macron's law would brand half of his country as anti-Semites as well.

Note that there are some real anti-Semitic views noted in that poll. Anti-Semitism is a real problem, as is Islamaphobia. But all you are trying to do is stifle debate while pushing Islamaphobic views. Long term your ideals are going to do more to foster anti-Semitism than my calls for equal rights and equal application of the law. Because you are now branding Israel as a colonial and racist state, a state designed to colonize and dehumanize the native Palestinian population under what you have identified as apartheid rule.

Until Palestinians finally show they can behave themselves and perhaps are willing to come to some type of peace agreement I will continue to support apartheid.
Your lot cant be trusted, thats why they are kept apart with walls and fences.

As Neve Gordon notes in the forward to the IJV poll.
Historically, the fight against anti-Semitism has sought to advance the equal rights and emancipation
of Jews. Those who denounce the ‘new anti-Semitism’ seek to legitimate the discrimination against
and subjugation of Palestinians. In the first case, someone who wishes to oppress, dominate and
exterminate Jews is branded an anti-Semite; in the second, someone who wishes to take part in the
struggle for liberation from colonial rule is branded an anti-Semite. In this way, Judith Butler has
observed, ‘a passion for justice’ is ‘renamed as anti-Semitism’.

The Israeli government needs the ‘new anti-Semitism’ to justify its actions and to protect it from
international and domestic condemnation. Anti-Semitism is effectively weaponised, not only to stifle
speech – ‘It does not matter if the accusation is true,’ Butler writes; its purpose is ‘to cause pain, to
produce shame, and to reduce the accused to silence’ – but also to suppress a politics of liberation.
The non-violent BDS campaign against Israel’s colonial project and rights abuses is labelled antiSemitic not because the proponents of BDS hate Jews, but because it denounces the subjugation
of the Palestinian people. This highlights a further disturbing aspect of the ‘new anti-Semitism’.
Conventionally, to call someone ‘anti-Semitic’ is to expose and condemn their racism; in the new case,
the charge ‘anti-Semite’ is used to defend racism, and to sustain a regime that implements racist
policies.56
The problem is by attempting to stifle debate on Israeli policy the government of Israel is pushing to identify Israel and Jews as those who support a racist, colonial view.
That's dangerous and long term is likely to increase anti-Semitism.

After all, 91% of Canadians think criticism of Israeli policy is not anti-Semitic.

 
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