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JohnLarue

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Frankfooter said:
Dinosaurs like you are stuck in old economic models
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Old economic models such as managing government debt responsibly ??
Old economic models such as property rights
Old econmic models which enable innovation in the prsuit of economic profit


and don't understand that the world is moving to keeping as much fossil fuels in the ground for the good of the planet.
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No. That is what you want & that is quite different from what is actually happening
World consumption of oil is 100 MM bbls a day & is growing
This is factual and is irrefutable

For a 'businessman' you don't understand that even the insurance industry recognizes that changing our fuel sources and fighting climate change is way cheaper then living with extreme weather damages caused by climate change.
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That does not change the FACT that oil consumption continues to grow
This is a fact which has repeatedly pointed out to you, yet you just ignore it

Your ideas are old and do not make business sense.
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Lying to others by saying we shall be fossil fuel free in a couple of decades makes zero sense when it is a mathematical impossibility.

100 million barrells of oil per day
If you collected all the lithium in the world you might have enough batteries to offset a small percentage of that amount

Do you really think that cargo ships & trains will run on solar or wind power?
If every car was replaced with electric vehicles you would need to re-start up coal fired generating plants & you would still be short electricity to charge them.

Your understanding of energy is just as bad as your understanding of economics
Both are at a grade five level
 
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Frankfooter

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JohnLarue said:
No. That is what you want & that is quite different from what is actually happening
World consumption of oil is 100 MM bbls a day & is growing
This is factual and is irrefutable
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Its going to take time to transition, but its happening.
Solar has become the world’s favourite new type of electricity generation, according to global data showing that more solar photovoltaic (PV) capacity is being installed than any other generation technology.
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https://www.bp.com/en/global/corpor...-review-of-world-energy/renewable-energy.html

You're so lost in your old school chicago economics that you're missing out on the chance to make money on new generation.

By the way, please stop lying.
Lying to others by saying we shall be fossil fuel free in a couple of decades makes zero sense when it is a mathematical impossibility.
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I never said that, I would challenge you but I've already seen that you're not honest enough to admit when you're caught lying.
So just cut it out, if you can't argue honestly its only because you know you're wrong.
 
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JohnLarue

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Frankfooter said:
Its going to take time to transition, but its happening.

https://www.bp.com/en/global/corpor...-review-of-world-energy/renewable-energy.html
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You said two decades
Check globally, more investment now goes into green energy.
We'll be on fossil fuels for a decade or so, but we're definitely moving off of them.
Globally.
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You're so lost in your old school chicago economics that you're missing out on the chance to make money on new generation.
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you have no idea how I make my money or what I invest in, so how can you say that?
Oh Yes of coarse.... what you say never has a basis in factual information

By the way, please stop lying.

I never said that, I would challenge you but I've already seen that you're not honest enough to admit when you're caught lying.
So just cut it out, if you can't argue honestly its only because you know you're wrong.
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but you did say that
Check globally, more investment now goes into green energy.
We'll be on fossil fuels for a decade or so, but we're definitely moving off of them.
Globally.
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What part of your statement
"We will be on fossil fuels for a decade or so, but we are defiantly moving off them"
are you confused about ?

How does that differ from "we shall be fossil fuel free in a couple of decades" ?

As per usual you do not have the first loose clue about a subject, yet you feel qualified to tell all that your inaccurate opinions are are the way it is
 
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Frankfooter said:
Its going to take time to transition, but its happening.

Solar has become the world’s favourite new type of electricity generation, according to global data showing that more solar photovoltaic (PV) capacity is being installed than any other generation technology.
https://www.bp.com/en/global/corpor...-review-of-world-energy/renewable-energy.html
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What has been accomplished is impressive, however again. it is a rounding error relative to the 100 MM barrels of oil consumed per day globally
The amount of coal the Chinese are burning is staggering.

Lying to others by saying we shall be fossil fuel free in a couple of decades makes zero sense when it is a mathematical impossibility.
 
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You are dreaming in technicolor if you think Trudeau 1.0 was anything other than an abject failure as a steward of the economy. His economic malfeasance took 30 years and 4 the thePrime ministers to undo. And now his idiot progeny is in the midst of undoing what Chrétien started. As far as PET goes, he was an arrogant piece of shit, who cared more to rub elbows with dictators and despots than to tend to economic matters. I forgot his National Energy Program was such a success, as was his inflation policy of 6&5, all while he ramped up spending with nothing to show for it. Sounds a lot like his son.
 
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Frankfooter

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JohnLarue said:
What has been accomplished is impressive, however again. it is a rounding error relative to the 100 MM barrels of oil consumed per day globally.
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19% of energy consumed now is renewable.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.FEC.RNEW.ZS

Your calculator is probably as old as you, maybe you need to change its tubes.
19% is hard a 'rounding error'.

Typical error of the old and out of touch.
 
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bver_hunter said:
But again no proof that she said "not implementing carbon tax would cost 30-40 thousand government jobs". Obviously false:
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Check Wynne's Twitter feed. She said it in a tweet on March 11.

Kathleen Wynne said:
The Conservatives’ plan to kill carbon pricing and rush to balance the budget will put as many as 40,000 public sector jobs at risk. That means higher class sizes, longer waits for healthcare and fewer community supports.
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https://twitter.com/Kathleen_Wynne

http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/h-wynne-spills-the-beans-on-carbon-pricing
 
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Here is a breakdown of gas prices across Canada.

https://retail.petro-canada.ca/en/fuelsavings/gas-taxes-canada.aspx

I'm against a carbon tax without a program to reduce waste and manage water quality. As a taxpayer, show me the program. So far nothing has happened, Trudeau is on par with Chretien on this - at least Harper was honest.

So far we haven't had to pay for our wasteful ways, the PRC has been taking a large chunk of our garbage. That will soon change.
 
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