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    Thumbs up The State of the Union

    address will take place on Tuesday.

    The economy is firing on all 12 cylinders.

    Highest employment in history.

    Dow near 30,000

    No major or even minor wars.

    ISIS destroyed.

    Illegal migrants down from a flood to a trickle.

    2 new SCOTUS judges.

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    And one impeached POTUS who 50% want removed from office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darts View Post
    address will take place on Tuesday.
    As far as we know. But let us look at your list.

    The economy is firing on all 12 cylinders.

    Highest employment in history.

    Dow near 30,000
    All basically true and strong reasons Trump will do well in the election. Fears he would wreck the Obama economy were not borne out and while things have been slowing down, it is still all basically smooth.

    No major or even minor wars.
    Not true. No major I will give you and he hasn't started a new one, but we are still involved in all the conflicts we were involved with before and he keeps raising troop levels in the Middle East.

    ISIS destroyed.
    Nope. Territory gone in Syria, but the organization lives on.
    (If we assume you meant the physical caliphate of controlled territory, then fine )

    Illegal migrants down from a flood to a trickle.
    Actually have gone up under Trump, but they have dipped down fr his highs midsummer, so you can spin that.


    2 new SCOTUS judges.
    One of the main things that will be motivating people to vote against him as well. The odds are if he gets a new term that he gets at least 2 more, maybe 3.

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    I don't think I could stomach the state of the union rant this time......unchallenged bullshit fests annoy me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    And one impeached POTUS who 50% want removed from office.
    Impeached means indicted. An indictment means nothing if not followed by a trial, concluded by a conviction. That's the senate's job, and they will not convict.

    The impeachment was purely political. The Democrats lost the elections, so being the sore losers that they are, refused to accept defeat, and tried to overthrow Trump, stooping so low as to affect the relationship between future presidents and the House of representaitves. Schiff should be tried for sedition. Comey is going down.

    Trump will win for sure because of this. The Democrats are in disarray; Bernie would be the one to beat Trump, but he's too old. Tulsie is too young; maybe next time. Bloomberg has some popularity simply by throwing his money around. Biden is corrupt and would be impeached if elected; he's damaged goods because of Ukraine; everybody knows that putting his son on the board of directors of an Ukrainian gas company making $80,000 per month while doing absoluely nothing was patronage, especially as he doesn't know the difference between oil and gas. His son got kicked out of the Navy for smoking crack, not the kind of baggage a presidential canditate should have, as it will hound him throughout the campaign.

    Vinman the rumour blower will be casheered out of the army for breach of confidentiality, and probably court martialed. He has caused enormous harm, not only the present presidency, but future presidencies, as no foreign leader will trust the confidentiality of their communications with the POTUS.

    The longer it takes Barr to come up with indictments, the worse it's going to get for those he's going to nail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    Impeached means indicted. An indictment means nothing if not followed by a trial, concluded by a conviction. T
    Nope.

    In the 3 times presidents have been impeached none have been removed from office.
    Trump is just as impeached as them.

    You'll have to wait until he's out of office for his trials and convictions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    Impeached means indicted. An indictment means nothing if not followed by a trial, concluded by a conviction. That's the senate's job, and they will not convict.
    In this case, impeached doesn't even mean indicted, because no high crimes or misdemeanors were even alleged. Just some nebulous maladministration charges.

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    If you just look at income and not expenses then every country and every company looks like gold. Under trump debt has increased ~3 Trillion.

    Nixon was a better president than Trump, Nixon would have survived impeachment but Nixon had enough shame to step down rather than put the country through more turmoil. Trump has no shame, so long as he personally "wins" then he could care less about the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Oven View Post
    In this case, impeached doesn't even mean indicted, because no high crimes or misdemeanors were even alleged. Just some nebulous maladministration charges.
    That's not how that works.
    Abuse of power is a high crime of course. But since you seem to think they needed to say something specific, are bribery and wire fraud specific enough for you? (Because, as you know, those were specific crimes he was impeached for )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valcazar View Post
    That's not how that works.
    Abuse of power is a high crime of course. But since you seem to think they needed to say something specific, are bribery and wire fraud specific enough for you? (Because, as you know, those were specific crimes he was impeached for )
    Never too late to get your facts straight. Here is what he was impeached for: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ument-pdf.html

    No mention of bribery or wire fraud. You are confusing arguments floated during the proceedings with the allegations actually set out in the Articles of Impeachment.

    Thats how it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Oven View Post
    Never too late to get your facts straight. Here is what he was impeached for: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ument-pdf.html

    No mention of bribery or wire fraud. You are confusing arguments floated during the proceedings with the allegations actually set out in the Articles of Impeachment.

    Thats how it works.
    Guess they'll have to impeach him again with more serious crimes like bribery, fraud and rape.
    That would make you happier, right?
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    The abuse of power includes the bribery and wire fraud, as laid out in the house documents.

    Because it all rolls under the abuse of power in question, it is all rolled on. (As you know, the idea a specific crime needs to be committed doesn't hold up other than in Dershowitz's slowly rotting brain.)

    There are 600 plus pages listing what is included under these articles. I get that you want to pretend they don't exist, but your denial isn't my problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    Guess they'll have to impeach him again with more serious crimes like bribery, fraud and rape.
    That would make you happier, right?
    I'm sure there will be more claims he should be impeached, since there were plenty before the DEMs ever pulled the trigger on the Ukraine call. Plenty of partisan bureaucrats left to play "whiste blower".

    Will it make me happier? Can't see how it could. It looks like Trump will be re-elected. These petty tactics will only incrementally influence how much he wins by. The only thing that would make me truly happy is if some of that GDP growth down in the US would spread to Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valcazar View Post
    The abuse of power includes the bribery and wire fraud, as laid out in the house documents.

    Because it all rolls under the abuse of power in question, it is all rolled on. (As you know, the idea a specific crime needs to be committed doesn't hold up other than in Dershowitz's slowly rotting brain.)

    There are 600 plus pages listing what is included under these articles. I get that you want to pretend they don't exist, but your denial isn't my problem.
    I assume the 600 pages that you are talking about is the impeachment report. That document is a (in this case partisan) review of evidence by the (Democratic majority) of a committee. However, it's not the same as articles of impeachment. Its the articles of impeachment that are tried by the Senate, not the impeachment report. The DEMs chose how to frame their case in the Articles. They chose not to allege bribery or wire fraud.

    Thats how it works.

    And whether Deshowitz is right or not doesn't upgrade the allegations against Trump into crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Oven View Post
    I'm sure there will be more claims he should be impeached, since there were plenty before the DEMs ever pulled the trigger on the Ukraine call. Plenty of partisan bureaucrats left to play "whiste blower".

    Will it make me happier? Can't see how it could. It looks like Trump will be re-elected. These petty tactics will only incrementally influence how much he wins by. The only thing that would make me truly happy is if some of that GDP growth down in the US would spread to Canada.
    Trump can only be elected if there is much more massive cheating this time.
    50% want him removed from office and his base is only 43%.

    How does he win?
    Donít be a tough guy. Donít be a fool! I will call you later

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    If it's true that 50% want Trump out of office, then I am assuming much of that 50% is from NY, California, Oregon and Washington state. So, the Dems might win the popular but not the electoral votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    Trump can only be elected if there is much more massive cheating this time.
    50% want him removed from office and his base is only 43%.

    How does he win?
    If you understood how the American electoral system works, you wouldn't be asking this question.
    "I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in," Hillary Clinton

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcpro View Post
    If you understood how the American electoral system works, you wouldn't be asking this question.
    I know the answer, he cheats.
    Dark money, gerrymandering, voter suppression and asking foreign countries to interfere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    Impeached means indicted. An indictment means nothing if not followed by a trial, concluded by a conviction. That's the senate's job, and they will not convict.

    The impeachment was purely political. The Democrats lost the elections, so being the sore losers that they are, refused to accept defeat, and tried to overthrow Trump, stooping so low as to affect the relationship between future presidents and the House of representaitves. Schiff should be tried for sedition. Comey is going down.

    Trump will win for sure because of this. The Democrats are in disarray; Bernie would be the one to beat Trump, but he's too old. Tulsie is too young; maybe next time. Bloomberg has some popularity simply by throwing his money around. Biden is corrupt and would be impeached if elected; he's damaged goods because of Ukraine; everybody knows that putting his son on the board of directors of an Ukrainian gas company making $80,000 per month while doing absoluely nothing was patronage, especially as he doesn't know the difference between oil and gas. His son got kicked out of the Navy for smoking crack, not the kind of baggage a presidential canditate should have, as it will hound him throughout the campaign.

    Vinman the rumour blower will be casheered out of the army for breach of confidentiality, and probably court martialed. He has caused enormous harm, not only the present presidency, but future presidencies, as no foreign leader will trust the confidentiality of their communications with the POTUS.

    The longer it takes Barr to come up with indictments, the worse it's going to get for those he's going to nail.
    Obviously, you follow the crap that Fox News and Hannity spews on a daily basis. Trump will go down in history as having being impeached. But all the Senate can do is either to remove him from office or acquit him. Actually Moscow Mitch should be tried for sedition as this whole coverup by him, actually displays his complicity in this criminal act by Trump.

    Trump will not win, when 75% of the Americans wanted witnesses to testify in the Senate, and all the documentation to be released. Biden will take out Trump, and that is why Trump wanted the Ukrainians to interfere in this elections. Again Trump's nepotism far obliterates Hunter Bidens involvement with Burisma. Look at Ivanka's 16 trademarks gifted by the Chinese after she sat for an official dinner with the Chinese President. Then you have Kushner's business dealings that are in conflict with his role in the Whitehouse. How about Donny Junior being offered $30,000 for down payment of Trump condos in India, just so that they can attend his corrupt presentations, where the Security was paid for by the American taxpayers during his trip to that country. Yet Hunter Biden's role in Burisma was already investigated, and the outcome was no wrongdoings!!

    There is no way that the Whistleblower will be disciplined as he reported this illegality rightly so to his supervisor!! Bolton confirmed it and so did all the witnesses that testified. Barr is supposed to distance himself from The Whitehouse and could face charges in the future for his unprecedented role by terminating the Mueller report without providing the unredacted copy to the Judiciary Committee. There are subpoenas to get hold of it and like the rest of the evidence / documents in this Ukraine investigation, that he is hiding it in his closet, just to try and protect Trump!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Oven View Post
    In this case, impeached doesn't even mean indicted, because no high crimes or misdemeanors were even alleged. Just some nebulous maladministration charges.
    Nebulous attempted election fraud is all.... what's that got to do with undermining democracy????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    Trump can only be elected if there is much more massive cheating this time.
    50% want him removed from office and his base is only 43%.

    How does he win?
    Same way as last time, by people like you with their worthless polls being wrong, at least as far as the electoral college is concerned.

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    I'm not saying that Trump's reelection is a forgone conclusion, but if I were a never Trumper, I'd be praying for a recession morning, noon and night.
    "I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in," Hillary Clinton

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Oven View Post
    Same way as last time, by people like you with their worthless polls being wrong, at least as far as the electoral college is concerned.
    Sure, just like 2018 showed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    Sure, just like 2018 showed.
    You're right (except for 2018 having anything to do with the electoral college). The polls had Democrats gushing at the prospect of a "blue wave". Instead, all they got was the blue ripple.

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