Zero tolerance for drunk driving is CRAZY.

[tboy]

I just saw this in today's sun online:

"Penalties include an automatic 30-day licence suspension for a first offence and 90 days for a second.

With a third offence, the driver will lose his licence and must go back to the very start of Ontario's graduated licensing system, which normally takes at least 22 months to complete. "

Oh, that's TERRIBLE....shit, after a second offence they should lose their right to DRIVE....

 

[Mao Tse Tongue]

Backlash:

http://www.wheels.ca/newsFeatures/article/473078

 

[Angela@Mirage]

MLAM and Fuji will be all over you!

Shhhhhh!

 

[S.C. Joe]

I started driving a car at age 15--legally--with a learners permit (which meant my mom or dad had to be in the car with me) Had a moped permit too so I could be on my own on the road-at a slow speed, at age 16 I got my drivers license with "no strings attach", I was just like everybody else expect for the first 1 year I could not get a traffic ticket or I could lose the license.

I learn so much my first few years of driving and even today I believe I am a better driver cause I started early and could drive at night with a car load of other teens...even "dating" I was able to be out late with the girls in my private car.

Today now, its not until they are 21 years old before they can "really start to learn"..no wounder some 25 years olds drive like crap, they start late and are still learning how to drive.

Now true, I smashed one car up really good at age 23-which I am lucky to have lived--but it was for other reasons too...drinking all night, driving a cheap worn out car-which had a pretty paint job but everything else was old. If I would have been driving a better car and had a good night sleep, I might not have wipe out and had the accident that afternoon.

 

[Angela@Mirage]

So you are saying as long as you don't hurt someone it is ok to risk driving drunk.Why are your rights more important then the safety of my family, your logic is wrong and you display the thought of the drunk driver just before he kills someone.You are the classic drunk driver.

I agree with your statement as well. If you can afford to drink, you can afford a cab.

 

[fuji]

My view is we have laws that aren't strict enough in some places, and are insane in other places.

We should eliminate the drinking age, or at least lower it to fourteen. They're going to drink anyway, why criminalize it? And countries that have low drinking ages do NOT have higher rates of problems.

We should eliminate the law that says bars have to close at 2am, what's the point? If I have tommorow off why can't I have a drink with my buddies at 4am and then sleep in? Forcing the drunks out onto the street all at once causes more problems than it solves--not enough cabs, fights on the street, etc.

On the other hand when it comes to driving, or anything else where you are potentially putting someone's life in danger, I am all for strict laws with harsh penalties.

At 19 you are barely responsible enough to be driving a car, let alone driving one with any impairement to your already barely sufficient judgement.

A zero tolerance policy for youth drinking and driving is probably a good thing--and I say that all the while supporting a reduction in the drinking age so don't tell me I am anti booze.

For someone older and more responsible a drink at the restaurant is not going to be a major issue, but for those who cross the line and drink and drive I think immediate jail time is called for, not just taking the car away.

You risk killing someone because of your irresponsibility you lose your right to be out and free in society in my view.

 

[tboy]

Ah fuji: we have those restrictions in place to control who can drink, when they can drink it and not allow free reign over us non drinkers.

Ah, the shoe is on the other foot now....I just love it.

You think it's bad now? Wait until they ban it entirely.........

 

[tboy]

Backlash:

http://www.wheels.ca/newsFeatures/article/473078

LOL did you think they'd be HAPPY about it?

BTW: I understand the concept and reasoning behind the 1 teen passenger rule but I don't think it is reasonable. I agree that it will only increase the amount of teens driving to a party. Instead of having 1 DD and 3 passengers, now you have 1 DD 1 Passenger......

 

[pepsiman]

I Believe if they put ZERO drinks in place the young drivers will smoke a joint or worst ;; They know they are the driver and cann;t even have one drink ::: So they will resort to something else too make them feel good .
They have .08 as a REASONABLE limit .

Zero tolerance is just plain stupid.
Govt is famous for making stupid laws too make it LOOK like they are doing something to curb drinking and driving .
I believe ""IF"" they wanted too stop drinking and driving they could .
At Christmas the have the ride program ect .
Have it year round but make the program BIGGER and BETTER ..
If these cops and MADD truley want too stop it ... Put one cop and a volunteer at the ride stop .. this will give you twice as many ride stops. and I am sure a volunteer can wave a flashlight for the motorist too stop and the cop is there too write the charge if need be .
If they had ride stops on every roadway a person could think of ...for just one short period :: people would get the idea that driving over .08 is not exceptable .
I have seen three ride stops this year .. If that number was thirty I think people would get the idea
Make it ALMOST impossible too get from the bars too home without seeing one.

But in most cases the govt tells people that next week we are having a seatbelt blitz and the people wear their seatbelt for that week :Go figger

 

[tboy]

I Believe if they put ZERO drinks in place the young drivers will smoke a joint or worst ;; They know they are the driver and cann;t even have one drink ::: So they will resort to something else too make them feel good .
They have .08 as a REASONABLE limit .

Zero tolerance is just plain stupid.
Govt is famous for making stupid laws too make it LOOK like they are doing something to curb drinking and driving .
I believe ""IF"" they wanted too stop drinking and driving they could .
At Christmas the have the ride program ect .
Have it year round but make the program BIGGER and BETTER ..
If these cops and MADD truley want too stop it ... Put one cop and a volunteer at the ride stop .. this will give you twice as many ride stops. and I am sure a volunteer can wave a flashlight for the motorist too stop and the cop is there too write the charge if need be .
If they had ride stops on every roadway a person could think of ...for just one short period :: people would get the idea that driving over .08 is not exceptable .
I have seen three ride stops this year .. If that number was thirty I think people would get the idea
Make it ALMOST impossible too get from the bars too home without seeing one.

But in most cases the govt tells people that next week we are having a seatbelt blitz and the people wear their seatbelt for that week :Go figger

Here are the flaws in the above post:
1) Volunteer? Oh yeah, to put your life at risk. There's probably some law that says a private citizen cannot do this.
2) As a private citizen you CAN patrol parking lots of bars etc and if you suspect someone of drinking and driving, you can stop them, make a citizen's arrest or at least call the cops and take down the plate.
3) IMO .08 is NOT acceptable. and even .05 - .07 people are impaired. I think the zero tolerance should apply to all drivers all the time.

What part of DON"T DRINK AND DRIVE doesn't anyone understand?

If you're driving, DON'T drink, END OF STORY. If you are out and decide to have one, then take a fricken cab home.

I mean, is everyone so hard up to have a drink that they can't say no?

Sheesh and fuji was bitching about smokers not having any willpower....

 

[S.C. Joe]

Its .02 here in Michigan for drivers too young to drink...under 21.

Edit...expect if they were drinking in Canada and just came back over! We have very cool courts here in Michigan and the state supreme court said if they drank the alcohol legally, then the limit is .08 like for everybody 21 and over. That works only by the border and if they can show they were just in Canada.

In many country's its .02 or .03 limits, few are .08

BTW...in the "good old days" 60's-70's the limits were .1 for impair and .15 for drunk driving here in the USA a few states-like Texas had those limits until the 90's. Bill Clinton help pass tougher drink driving laws, in Texas it was legal for people in the back seat to drink alcohol while the car was being driven, that all change thanks to Clinton.

I don't think the limits will be going down for us "adults" any time soon, I like to see a .03 like Japan but the alcohol company's are too powerful. plus many lawmakers drink too.

 

[Malibook]

They are not. Some people on this board are the biggest hypocrites you will ever find in your life! The people who support such harsh laws and who argue here against you, are people who are either non-drinkers, or just plain selfish. There is no fucking way I can see anyone who enjoys having a beer with his dinner at a restaurant, going out to support such ludicrous laws.

Now, let the hypocrites speak.....

Well said.

Who the hell can afford to take a taxi everywhere they might have a drink?

I am not spending $50-$200 for a taxi just so I can have a drink after golf, hockey, with dinner, or whatever.

I think I read that the yoots will lose their licence for a speeding ticket too.

I think the biggest problem is that it is just way too easy to get a licence and there is no re-testing.
Stupid incompetent idiot drivers are far more dangerous than talented skillful drivers who have a couple of drinks.
For the vast majority of idiots who have at-fault accidents, alcohol is not a factor.

 

[kewluke]

Listen... if you are a new driver or just turned 16, You better not have 1 drink in you when you get in the drivers seat. You are getting to learn to drive and that is a privelege. You have not mastered the road or your driving skills YET....

BRAVO.....

I like it!

 

[shakenbake]

This law has nothing to do with party stripes. The Conservatives could have easily introduced the very same legislation.

Except that the present Ontario Liberals are very notorious for banning everything that they don't like and that they can think of. That is their modus operandi. It looks as if they have done something, without accomplishing anything. Immediately, they move to ban something without thinking about how to appropriately solve a problem. Just like Miller (a 'Liberal') who decided to ban legal guns and gun clubs in Toronto. People are still being shot at, and nothing has stopped the illegal guns in the city.

Once again, education is the best way, not banning an activity. bans have been shown in many instances to actually promote what is being banned, the 'forbidden fruit' effect.

Having said all this, I want to go on record to say that any one who drinks and drives is an idiot. A history teacher, much admired in my high school days, died intoxicated at the wheel. Unfortunately, it was a very powerful way to teach us not to drink and drive.

 

[fuji]

I am not spending $50-$200 for a taxi just so I can have a drink after golf, hockey, with dinner, or whatever.

If you have two drinks and you wait two hours before driving you should be OK. The limit proposed is for youth. Adults under the legal limit should be fine.

The reason for zero tolerance with youths is that statistically they are ALREADY driving more recklessly than adults so even a slight impairment is likely to be a bigger problem than with older drivers and on top of that they're likely poor judges of whether they are still a little intoxicated (no experience).

If the consequences were they were going to dent the fender this is overkill, but the consequences are that they may kill someone.

 

[Malibook]

The limit proposed is for youth.

I know.

I was responding to the self-righteous preachers who think this should apply to everybody.

 

[Angela@Mirage]

If you drink and drive you deserve to die. Please at least have the courtesy to crash in to a tree or light post instead of someone else.

These people are too drunk to aim for a tree, unfortunately, so the innocent either end up a parapalegic or dead.

 

[Angela@Mirage]

that might be a little rude ...
many of the MADD volunteers are family members of someone who died .
do to a DRUNK driver...



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I understand his point of view as well. I have a family member who was killed by a drunk driver. It is a person's choice if they wish to donate for a cause or not. Do not place the onus on him.

 

[tboy]

I know.

I was responding to the self-righteous preachers who think this should apply to everybody.

Why SHOULDN"T it apply to everybody? If you want to have a drink with dinner, after hockey, whenever, carpool with a DD. All it takes is a little pre-planning and if you have a spur of the moment overwhelming urge that just has to be met else your head will explode? Then take a cab or the bus.

Sorry, I don't buy it that someone MUST have a drink. If you do? Then you'd addicted to it and should be dealing with that, not whether to drive or not.

Hey Fuji, why aren't you all over these guys who say they must positively have a drink when they're out for lack of willpower and being weak and here you are advocating that one can have TWO drinks and "should be ok to drive"? SHOULD be ok? What if they're NOT ok to drive? You're telling them to risk my life and the lives of everyone else on the road (which is no different than your smoking in a restaurant scenario).

Sorry, someone wanting to have a drink with dinner is NO different than people wanting to have a smoke at dinner. We can't do that and have to deal with it, so should you......

 

[Angela@Mirage]

Hey if I want to blast through a school zone at 150 kph at 3:00 pm while wacked on on crack and meth while talking on the cell phone, nobody has the right to stop me. Anyone who tries to stop me is a fascist prick and is worse then Hitler and Pol Pot combined.


I got rights dammit.

Excuse me. Grow up and gain some respect for others. You are an adult. If this is your way of living, then grow up. You have absolutely no right to endanger others. Read the criminal code of Canada. You do not belong here.
If you endangered a family member of mine with your crappy attitude, you would be definately paying for your life. Check yourself.